Prospective house purchase - sloping floor?

Prospective house purchase - sloping floor?

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Nish

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601 posts

213 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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Hi All,

Saw a house on the weekend which fits my requirements and would be happy ot make an offer.

However, the floor in the living room has a slope. It is largely level but over the last two feet from the external wall it slopes downwards.

What would be the best way to proceed?

Leave it to the survey done as part of mortgage process? I am keen to get an opinion prior to this rather then go down that road to have it fall apart.

The vendor is ok with lifting the carpet but not the floorboards.


freecar

4,249 posts

188 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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I'd want a survey to guarantee that it is now stable, that any cause of the sloping is now addressed and the problem wont get any worse.

If a survey can't guarantee that then I'd not like to take the risk!

King Herald

23,501 posts

217 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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Unless you are paying cash any lender is going to demand the floorboards come up for a full structural, so the seller better get used to the fact.

Nish

Original Poster:

601 posts

213 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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Sounds like surveyor is the way to go

Will get one in and get an idea of what is going on.

Thanks guys

GreenDog

2,261 posts

193 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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Which survey are you having done ? Valuation, home buyer's, building survey ?
I'm not sure if the first would report on that or not so might be worth paying considering one of the others. From a few months ago when we were moving I found that a full survey can now be had quite cheaply if you hunt round a bit.

Nish

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601 posts

213 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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GreenDog said:
Which survey are you having done ? Valuation, home buyer's, building survey ?
I'm not sure if the first would report on that or not so might be worth paying considering one of the others. From a few months ago when we were moving I found that a full survey can now be had quite cheaply if you hunt round a bit.
I guess I am stuck in the middle.

I have two options:

1) Make an offer, get to the point of acceptance. Arrange mortgage etc, get surveyor in - adjust offer price if neccessary according to report.

2) Get a surveyor in now.

Option 2 seems sensible, but is it jumping the gun? I have not made a formal offer yet let alone had it accepted.

Would it make more sense to get a price agreed and then proceed? I guess I could be wasting my time entirely if we cannot agree a price anyway.

Perhaps a formal survey at this stage is overkill, perhaps take in a builder who can give an opinion?

RichB

51,693 posts

285 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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Friend of mine lived in a house like that, it was fine. When we played ping-pong on the dining room table after school we always knew from where to retrieve the ball when it went off.

GreenDog

2,261 posts

193 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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Nish said:
I guess I am stuck in the middle.

I have two options:

1) Make an offer, get to the point of acceptance. Arrange mortgage etc, get surveyor in - adjust offer price if neccessary according to report.

2) Get a surveyor in now.

Option 2 seems sensible, but is it jumping the gun? I have not made a formal offer yet let alone had it accepted.

Would it make more sense to get a price agreed and then proceed? I guess I could be wasting my time entirely if we cannot agree a price anyway.

Perhaps a formal survey at this stage is overkill, perhaps take in a builder who can give an opinion?
If you have someone who has a bit of knowledge on the subject it'd probably be a good move before you shell out on a survey.
Bear in mind that many lenders wont lend on a house that has or has had subsidence and also you'll find it harder to get house insurance and will pay more for it.

Nish

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601 posts

213 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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GreenDog said:
If you have someone who has a bit of knowledge on the subject it'd probably be a good move before you shell out on a survey.
Bear in mind that many lenders wont lend on a house that has or has had subsidence and also you'll find it harder to get house insurance and will pay more for it.
If the issue is serious i have no intention of buying.

From what I can see online, its possible its a non issue, but also possible the place is falling apart!

I think the informal builder/professional for an intial visit is the way to go ahead of a full survey at a later stage if it gets that far.


Zod

35,295 posts

259 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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How old is the house? If it's Georgian, it's perfectly normal.

Nish

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601 posts

213 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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Zod said:
How old is the house? If it's Georgian, it's perfectly normal.
No idea, although the interior would suggest something very old to me:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/prope...

RichB

51,693 posts

285 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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Nish said:
Zod said:
How old is the house? If it's Georgian, it's perfectly normal.
No idea, although the interior would suggest something very old to me:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/prope...
Looks typical of the style built around 1930-1935

russ_a

4,589 posts

212 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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I have just fixed a slopping floor which was due to rotten floor joists.

We had two full surveys and neither surveyor would lift the floorboards.


Nish

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601 posts

213 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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russ_a said:
I have just fixed a slopping floor which was due to rotten floor joists.

We had two full surveys and neither surveyor would lift the floorboards.
How did you diagnose the rotting joists? Post purchase?

Can i ask what the ballpark cost was?

JR

12,722 posts

259 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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Nish said:
However, the floor in the living room has a slope. It is largely level but over the last two feet from the external wall it slopes downwards.
If there aren't any cracks/distortions in the external wall then it's probably
russ_a said:
I have just fixed a slopping floor which was due to rotten floor joists.
Nish said:
What would be the best way to proceed?
Well, if it's rotting floorboards then a good surveyor will pick it up in a thorough survey. If it's due to movement in the wall then you'll need a structural engineer's report. If you're struggling to see any cracks/distortions in the outer walls then you're probably OK to go for the surveyor; if you've missed the defects in the wall he'll recommend a structural engineer's report.

Sometimes these decisions aren't easy.

Deva Link

26,934 posts

246 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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If it's obvious and the seller is keen to sell, then perhaps they would fund an independant survey?

Otherwise you could only proceed on a worst case basis.

Nish

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601 posts

213 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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Deva Link said:
If it's obvious and the seller is keen to sell, then perhaps they would fund an independant survey?

Otherwise you could only proceed on a worst case basis.
The vendor has apparently had it checked (unclear who by) and been advised it is not subsidence.

I have asked the agent to try and get a copy of the report.

zaphod42

50,695 posts

156 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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I personally took the initially pricey approach, but it paid back:

1) Hired a structural surveyor for an hour to look at the specific issue. £60. He gave me his view that the issue wasn't what I feared it was (subsidence in my case)

2) Offered on the house. Paid for the minimum lenders survey required £315.

3) Paid for my own full structural survey from a reputable local business £750

The output of 2) was no use to me, only to the bank. I think they did a drive-by survey.

The output of 3) helped in my negotiations to have £5500 of work done on other issues, plus a £1500 payment on completion towards a future budgeted issue.

So overall, it's cost a lot initially, but de-risked the purchase, and overall, Ill be better off and I'm going in to the property eyes wide open....

dave_s13

13,815 posts

270 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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There's a 6" difference in level between the front/back of my house (1930's semi).

Before the extension you could stand a pound coin on the dining table and watch it roll off at some considerable speed. Not subsidence though and the extension was piled so now props everything up nicely.

All the houses in my street have similar movement, do any other houses in the area look at all wonky?

JR

12,722 posts

259 months

Monday 26th September 2011
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dave_s13 said:
There's a 6" difference in level between the front/back of my house (1930's semi).

... Not subsidence though ...All the houses in my street have similar movement,
So what would you call it?