Hipped Roof To Gable End

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Arbees

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33 posts

147 months

Saturday 24th March 2012
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Just throwing some ideas around for our house. Considering loft options.

We have a detached house which has a hopped roof. I was contemplating the idea of extending the hip to the rear,
to create a gable end. Presume some of this could be glazed possibly.
To make such an alteration, would this need planning permission, or would it fall under the permitted development?
Obviously building notice/ regs would need to be notified/met.

herbialfa

1,489 posts

203 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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You will need planning permission!

King Herald

23,501 posts

217 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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You want to turn the loft into living quarters = planning permission and building regs.

Arbees

Original Poster:

33 posts

147 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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Cool.
Thanks for the replies chaps.
The last time I looked on the planning portal walkthrough, as I understood it, I thought a loft conversion came under permitted development, as opposed to submitting full plans.
I am fully aware that it needs to meet building reg approval.

Or if I submit plans to building control, does it automatically need to go to planning?

Or is the issue I am changing the profile of the roof?

King Herald

23,501 posts

217 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Good point, maybe not planning permission, but definitely building regs if you are changing the loft into living accommodation. Fire escapes, fire doors downstairs, sizes of floor joists, all sorts of stuff gets involved.

You can usually phone your local planning people and arrange a 'callback', (where they call you back at a convenient time for them) and they will give you all the exact info. I did it when I built my garage and they were pretty good about it all.

Arbees

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33 posts

147 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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KH.
Of course you are right. I will phone for an informal chat as they have been really helpful before.
Will try my office in the morning.

Have to say loving your place out in the Phillipines. It's coming along well.

King Herald said:
Good point, maybe not planning permission, but definitely building regs if you are changing the loft into living accommodation. Fire escapes, fire doors downstairs, sizes of floor joists, all sorts of stuff gets involved.

You can usually phone your local planning people and arrange a 'callback', (where they call you back at a convenient time for them) and they will give you all the exact info. I did it when I built my garage and they were pretty good about it all.

Busa mav

2,562 posts

155 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Herbialfa is correct , you will need planning.

Most loft conversions can be carried out under PD.

A side, hip to gable conversion can be carried out as PD.

A rear hip to gable conversion will fail on the condition that there is a specific dimension required from the existing eaves to the face of the new " dormer ".
Maybe you could retain a skirt of exisitng eaves , tiles and gutter , look rediculous mind you but would arguably comply , but you will still need to keep withing the specified m3 for the roof addition.

Personally , I would just apply for planning and get what I wanted rather than do through the Lawful Development role and probably have the hassle.Not really any more time and just an extra £75 for the fees

BigTom85

1,927 posts

172 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Busa mav said:
Herbialfa is correct , you will need planning.

Most loft conversions can be carried out under PD.

A side, hip to gable conversion can be carried out as PD.

A rear hip to gable conversion will fail on the condition that there is a specific dimension required from the existing eaves to the face of the new " dormer ".
Maybe you could retain a skirt of exisitng eaves , tiles and gutter , look rediculous mind you but would arguably comply , but you will still need to keep withing the specified m3 for the roof addition.

Personally , I would just apply for planning and get what I wanted rather than do through the Lawful Development role and probably have the hassle.Not really any more time and just an extra £75 for the fees
I was going to say almost exactly this.

Don't worry too much about being within the remit of PD if it means compromising the job, go for planning.

Should be straight forward as long as you aren't in a conservation area etc.