Identify these trees please! Plus photos of my new garden!
Discussion
danyeates said:
Any ideas what to replace it with?
Camelia in a big planter 
Evergreen so looks good all year, great flowers, it will like the warm location by the wall. It will need feeding regularly as it like acidic soils.
It wont get quite as large as this in a planter
Ours is about 7ft tall in a planter that is 1m x 1m x 1m
Edited by blueg33 on Wednesday 28th March 12:09
blueg33 said:
Camelia in a big planter
Evergreen so looks good all year, great flowers, it will like the warm location by the wall. It will need feeding regularly as it like acidic soils.
It wont get quite as large as this in a planter
Ours is about 7ft tall in a planter that is 1m x 1m x 1m
Sounds great. Will consider this. Planter sounds like a good idea, hadn't thought of that. Evergreen so looks good all year, great flowers, it will like the warm location by the wall. It will need feeding regularly as it like acidic soils.
It wont get quite as large as this in a planter
Ours is about 7ft tall in a planter that is 1m x 1m x 1m
Edited by blueg33 on Wednesday 28th March 12:09
blueg33 said:
danyeates said:
I think I'm going to get advice from a couple of tree surgeons. I've spent a lot of money on this house, so I don't want to take any chances!
Do some research, there are tree surgeons and tree surgeons if you get my drift. Look for arboricultural qualifications.Did your surveyor mention tree proximity?
http://www.ashleytreesurgeons.co.uk/
Mr GrimNasty said:
Leave the tree alone, it is a modern house, it is not a substantial/madly vigorous tree, the chances of any damage is a million to one. Loads of trees are suitable for growing up house walls and there are many benefits for the tree;- support, warmth etc.
That entirely depends on the soils and the type of foundation/substructure the house has. A house on a full raft or piles is less likely to be affected than a house on a standard strip, if not standard strip, how deep are the founds or are they wide but shallow?, if the soils are clay has the developer used claymaster or similar to protect against heave (more applicable if the tree is removed)Is the house under NHBC warranty? if so the proximity of the tree may affect that.
There are all sorts of factors and assumptions can be dangerous. Its probably minor, but you can never be sure.
blueg33 said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
Leave the tree alone, it is a modern house, it is not a substantial/madly vigorous tree, the chances of any damage is a million to one. Loads of trees are suitable for growing up house walls and there are many benefits for the tree;- support, warmth etc.
That entirely depends on the soils and the type of foundation/substructure the house has. A house on a full raft or piles is less likely to be affected than a house on a standard strip, if not standard strip, how deep are the founds or are they wide but shallow?, if the soils are clay has the developer used claymaster or similar to protect against heave (more applicable if the tree is removed)Is the house under NHBC warranty? if so the proximity of the tree may affect that.
There are all sorts of factors and assumptions can be dangerous. Its probably minor, but you can never be sure.
No idea about the soil type though TBH. It's around the New Milton area if that makes a difference. I don't know what the soil is like around here.
I'll see what the tree surgeons say as I have a couple coming round just to check it.
blueg33 said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
Leave the tree alone, it is a modern house, it is not a substantial/madly vigorous tree, the chances of any damage is a million to one. Loads of trees are suitable for growing up house walls and there are many benefits for the tree;- support, warmth etc.
That entirely depends on the soils and the type of foundation/substructure the house has. A house on a full raft or piles is less likely to be affected than a house on a standard strip, if not standard strip, how deep are the founds or are they wide but shallow?, if the soils are clay has the developer used claymaster or similar to protect against heave (more applicable if the tree is removed)Is the house under NHBC warranty? if so the proximity of the tree may affect that.
There are all sorts of factors and assumptions can be dangerous. Its probably minor, but you can never be sure.
Mr GrimNasty said:
You're talking rubbish, completely over the top, one tiny ickle fruit tree like that will not cause a problem.
As I said its probably minor, but I have seen too many issues caused by even small trees over the years. Perhaps you would care to indemnify the OP to the value of his house if he follows your advice without checking. I know and work with many soil engineers and tree specialists and not one of them would make the statement you have made without caveat on the basis of the info available.
New Milton is mainly chalk soils with pockets of gley, I cannot remember if gleys are shrinkable (soil mechanics was a few years ago). The root spread on a typical prunus is 1.5 times the crown diameter.
The OP is doing the right thing by checking with a professional.
The tree growing against the wall is a Peach and is very unlikely to cause any problems to foundations or drains.The others are cherry, apple, pear and agree with previous comment regarding correct pruning, which is not difficult but timing is critical,lots of info to found online (RHS) good starting point.
Cloud 9 said:
The tree growing against the wall is a Peach and is very unlikely to cause any problems to foundations or drains.The others are cherry, apple, pear and agree with previous comment regarding correct pruning, which is not difficult but timing is critical,lots of info to found online (RHS) good starting point.
Peach! Cool. Thanks very much. I love the tree and I'd hate to have it cut down. The previous owner was a gardener by trade, so I'd have hoped they would have known what they were doing. I've had a lot of conflicting information from a couple of forums!subsidence claims advisory bureau said:
Recommended minimum planting distances from a building
Type: Cherry, Plum and Peach Prunus
Minimum Distance 6.0 metres
Max recorded root spread 11.0 metres
A Balanced View. Very little root action leading to subsidence damage to buildings in the UK is caused by direct physical pressure exerted by roots. A tree has to be very close to the structure indeed for such damage to occur. Planting a tree so close to a structure that trunk buttressing or increase in trunk diameter was being restricted could lead to damage. More commonly, pavements and boundary walls with little or no foundation may be lifted by large shallow roots of, for example, Populus, poplar, species. Buildings with adequate foundations, standing some distance from trees, are very rarely subject to such direct damage.
Most reported damage is secondary in nature. The problem is confined largely to soil types that shrink considerably on drying. In the UK these are mainly certain types of clay and some peaty, fen soils. Under conditions of drought when tree roots remove water from shrinkable soils, they accelerate the drying and shrinking process. This can lead to loss of support to inadequate foundations and subsequent subsidence. Continued drought, even in the absence of trees, can lead to subsidence in such circumstances.
Tree root spread data have most relevance to relatively ‘safe’ planting distances when relating to trees growing on shrinkable clay soils. Planting distances on other soil types that do not contract on drying have to be determined more by consideration of the respective scale of the buildings and trees, the ultimate size of the trees, and the desirable or undesirable qualities of the trees concerned. In all cases it is wise to consult a qualified expert.
Op. It depends on your soils. Type: Cherry, Plum and Peach Prunus
Minimum Distance 6.0 metres
Max recorded root spread 11.0 metres
A Balanced View. Very little root action leading to subsidence damage to buildings in the UK is caused by direct physical pressure exerted by roots. A tree has to be very close to the structure indeed for such damage to occur. Planting a tree so close to a structure that trunk buttressing or increase in trunk diameter was being restricted could lead to damage. More commonly, pavements and boundary walls with little or no foundation may be lifted by large shallow roots of, for example, Populus, poplar, species. Buildings with adequate foundations, standing some distance from trees, are very rarely subject to such direct damage.
Most reported damage is secondary in nature. The problem is confined largely to soil types that shrink considerably on drying. In the UK these are mainly certain types of clay and some peaty, fen soils. Under conditions of drought when tree roots remove water from shrinkable soils, they accelerate the drying and shrinking process. This can lead to loss of support to inadequate foundations and subsequent subsidence. Continued drought, even in the absence of trees, can lead to subsidence in such circumstances.
Tree root spread data have most relevance to relatively ‘safe’ planting distances when relating to trees growing on shrinkable clay soils. Planting distances on other soil types that do not contract on drying have to be determined more by consideration of the respective scale of the buildings and trees, the ultimate size of the trees, and the desirable or undesirable qualities of the trees concerned. In all cases it is wise to consult a qualified expert.
Ok.
I've been sent these links from another forum:
http://www.gardenaction.co.uk/fruit_veg_diary/frui...
http://www.rhs.org.uk/Gardening/Grow-Your-Own/Frui...
They actually recommend growing a peach tree up a wall.
I've been sent these links from another forum:
http://www.gardenaction.co.uk/fruit_veg_diary/frui...
http://www.rhs.org.uk/Gardening/Grow-Your-Own/Frui...
They actually recommend growing a peach tree up a wall.
OP. I am sure that the issues are monor, but the recommendations about growing peaches up the wall are all about shelter for the tree and warmth from the wall to help ripen fruit.
It's all down to how much you want peace of mind. I would do two things
1. Discuss with an arboriculturalist but bear in mnd that they are not structures specialists
2. Phone building conrol at the council and ask them for their thoughts (when doing a new build they will specify foundation design to take acount of the soils and tree influence)
3. Maybe speak with buildings insurer
Over the years I have seen lots of houses withtrees very close that are fine, I have also seen NHBC claims caused by trees being planted too close, I have seen heave bcaused by tree removal.
At the end of the day the recommendations from the RHS and from structures specialists are try and plant at least 6 metres from the house. Why would they say that if they didnt think there was a potential issue?
When our extension was built we had a cherry tree about 8 metres from the extension, the engineers recommended 2 metres deep founds rather than standard 1m purely because of tree influence.
On many developments I have done foundations have had to be designed specifically to cope with tree influence on shrinkable soils. i am doing one at the moment in Essex and that requires piling because of the combination of trees and clays.
A peach is the same family as a cherry (prunus) and generally grow to a similar size, although dwarf varieties exist.
Having said all of that, generally the biggest impact on a property is caused by the removal of a tree as the volume of water in the soil can increase, causing the soil to swell. This is heave.
It's all down to how much you want peace of mind. I would do two things
1. Discuss with an arboriculturalist but bear in mnd that they are not structures specialists
2. Phone building conrol at the council and ask them for their thoughts (when doing a new build they will specify foundation design to take acount of the soils and tree influence)
3. Maybe speak with buildings insurer
Over the years I have seen lots of houses withtrees very close that are fine, I have also seen NHBC claims caused by trees being planted too close, I have seen heave bcaused by tree removal.
At the end of the day the recommendations from the RHS and from structures specialists are try and plant at least 6 metres from the house. Why would they say that if they didnt think there was a potential issue?
When our extension was built we had a cherry tree about 8 metres from the extension, the engineers recommended 2 metres deep founds rather than standard 1m purely because of tree influence.
On many developments I have done foundations have had to be designed specifically to cope with tree influence on shrinkable soils. i am doing one at the moment in Essex and that requires piling because of the combination of trees and clays.
A peach is the same family as a cherry (prunus) and generally grow to a similar size, although dwarf varieties exist.
Having said all of that, generally the biggest impact on a property is caused by the removal of a tree as the volume of water in the soil can increase, causing the soil to swell. This is heave.
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