Wiring a new light fitting to a new ceiling rose
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I've just had my lighting circuit renewed and I'd now like to replace the new ceiling rose with a new light fitting. Given that the lighting circuit has six wires (one of which is obviously the switch as it has a brown plastic coating over the blue wire), can someone tell me in simple terms what I need to do to wire up this new light please? I will isolate the circuit before starting work. Below is a photo of the ceiling rose:
Neutrals on the left. Lives in the centre, with one of the lives going to the switch. Back up from the switch to the right hand connector and the live to the pendant from there. If you are putting a flush fitting up you will need to lose that wiring either in it or in a junction box in the ceiling.
Ferg said:
Neutrals on the left. Lives in the centre, with one of the lives going to the switch. Back up from the switch to the right hand connector and the live to the pendant from there. If you are putting a flush fitting up you will need to lose that wiring either in it or in a junction box in the ceiling.
I'm not sure I totally understand this. Below is how I have interpreted it with (some extras), is this correct?1. Attach the neutral wire with the brown sleeve to the new light fitting.
2. Attach the brown live wire (the one furthest to the right in the photo) to the light fitting.
3. Connect the remaining three blue neutral wires to a terminal block, wrap in insulating tape and then conceal in either the ceiling or light fitting.
4. Connect the remaining three brown live wires to a terminal block, wrap in insulating tape and then conceal in either the ceiling or light fitting.
Brown is live.
Blue is neutral.
Yellow / green is earth.
One will be the switch - the blue with the brown sleeve on it.
If you can't figure out that that the wires need to be grouped in the same way and you replace the pendant wires for the light fitting wires then get a sparks in.
A junction box like these in the ceiling would make it easier - http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Cable_Acces...
Or you could use a connector strip or 3-pole versions of these are neat - http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Boxes_and_E...
Blue is neutral.
Yellow / green is earth.
One will be the switch - the blue with the brown sleeve on it.
If you can't figure out that that the wires need to be grouped in the same way and you replace the pendant wires for the light fitting wires then get a sparks in.
A junction box like these in the ceiling would make it easier - http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Cable_Acces...
Or you could use a connector strip or 3-pole versions of these are neat - http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Boxes_and_E...
miniman said:
Start by buying the new light fitting to see what exactly you are trying to fit!
I already have the light fitting. It's double insulated and it has a live and neutral connection and that's it.I'm guessing this should be an easy task, I just need to know whether I can use one of the live wires in the live socket, put the others into a terminal block and wrap in tape and put in light fitting. Then put the three neutrals into the neutral socket on the new light fitting as per the illustration here: http://www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/diy/electrics/li... Does this look like it could be applicable to my situation?
CC07 PEU said:
B17NNS said:
Your new fitting will probably have three wires. Live, neutral and earth.
Imagine that the old pendant is the new fitting and connect exactly as is using chocolate blocks.
What are chocolate blocks and can they sit within the light fitting?Imagine that the old pendant is the new fitting and connect exactly as is using chocolate blocks.
spikeyhead said:
At this point I suspect you're better off paying someone to do it. You can search the niceic website by postcode. I've usually found someone within a few hundred yards of where I live that can just pop round and sort it properly for beer money,
Nah, that's the last thing I'll be doing... I'll either wait for a few more replies here or I'll call someone I know who knows about these things as this can't be at all difficult - it's only six wires. I just thought I could maybe get a quick response/solution here. 
CC07 PEU said:
I already have the light fitting. It's double insulated and it has a live and neutral connection and that's it.
I'm guessing this should be an easy task, I just need to know whether I can use one of the live wires in the live socket, put the others into a terminal block and wrap in tape and put in light fitting. Then put the three neutrals into the neutral socket on the new light fitting as per the illustration here: http://www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/diy/electrics/li... Does this look like it could be applicable to my situation?
You're nearly there.I'm guessing this should be an easy task, I just need to know whether I can use one of the live wires in the live socket, put the others into a terminal block and wrap in tape and put in light fitting. Then put the three neutrals into the neutral socket on the new light fitting as per the illustration here: http://www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/diy/electrics/li... Does this look like it could be applicable to my situation?
The 3 brown cables in the middle are "loop in" feeds which will be permanently live. Put all 3 of these into a terminal block, tape up and conceal in the new fitting.
Connect your switch wire (blue cable sleeved in brown in your case) to the live terminal of the new fitting then connect all the blue neutrals into the neutral terminal of the new fitting.
If the new fitting has no earth terminal then terminate these into piece of terminal block to retain earth continuity.
Please isolate the circuit at the consumer unit, if in doubt swccth off the whole board. The loop in feeds won't be isolated by turning off at the light switch.
Your current pendant has two wires and so does your new one.
Wire exactly the same replacing all the gubbins with these.
http://www.screwfix.com/c/electrical-lighting/term...
If the chocblock doesn't fit in your new fitting pop it up above the plasterboard.
Wire exactly the same replacing all the gubbins with these.
http://www.screwfix.com/c/electrical-lighting/term...
If the chocblock doesn't fit in your new fitting pop it up above the plasterboard.
Edited by B17NNS on Sunday 9th September 23:12
It's not difficult. The ceiling rose you're looking at has three separated strips of metal into which the various wires are screwed.
The blues are into one. Three of the browns are in the middle and the other two wires are in the third.
If the new light fitting has not been supplied with a chocie block ( a strip of individual wire connectors which are shaped like a strip broken off the end of a bar of chocolate) then you'll need to go and buy some. Usually supplied in strips of about 10 long, of various sizes, you will need to cut 3 off the end to give you the ability to re-connect all the wires into the same pattern as you see in the three sections of the ceiling rose.
Simply make sure that you keep the same wires together as you see at the moment, replacing the ones that go to the bulb at the moment with those that are in your new light fitting.
Either the chocie block can rest in the top of the new light fitting or you'll have to push it into the ceiling void.
If any of this seems at all confusing, then get someone in.
The blues are into one. Three of the browns are in the middle and the other two wires are in the third.
If the new light fitting has not been supplied with a chocie block ( a strip of individual wire connectors which are shaped like a strip broken off the end of a bar of chocolate) then you'll need to go and buy some. Usually supplied in strips of about 10 long, of various sizes, you will need to cut 3 off the end to give you the ability to re-connect all the wires into the same pattern as you see in the three sections of the ceiling rose.
Simply make sure that you keep the same wires together as you see at the moment, replacing the ones that go to the bulb at the moment with those that are in your new light fitting.
Either the chocie block can rest in the top of the new light fitting or you'll have to push it into the ceiling void.
If any of this seems at all confusing, then get someone in.
Piersman2 said:
It's not difficult. The ceiling rose you're looking at has three separated strips of metal into which the various wires are screwed.
The blues are into one. Three of the browns are in the middle and the other two wires are in the third.
If the new light fitting has not been supplied with a chocie block ( a strip of individual wire connectors which are shaped like a strip broken off the end of a bar of chocolate) then you'll need to go and buy some. Usually supplied in strips of about 10 long, of various sizes, you will need to cut 3 off the end to give you the ability to re-connect all the wires into the same pattern as you see in the three sections of the ceiling rose.
Simply make sure that you keep the same wires together as you see at the moment, replacing the ones that go to the bulb at the moment with those that are in your new light fitting.
Either the chocie block can rest in the top of the new light fitting or you'll have to push it into the ceiling void.
If any of this seems at all confusing, then get someone in.
Ok, this (and the previous two replies) are what I need - it makes sense now and I'm confident I have the clarity to complete the task so thanks for the responses.The blues are into one. Three of the browns are in the middle and the other two wires are in the third.
If the new light fitting has not been supplied with a chocie block ( a strip of individual wire connectors which are shaped like a strip broken off the end of a bar of chocolate) then you'll need to go and buy some. Usually supplied in strips of about 10 long, of various sizes, you will need to cut 3 off the end to give you the ability to re-connect all the wires into the same pattern as you see in the three sections of the ceiling rose.
Simply make sure that you keep the same wires together as you see at the moment, replacing the ones that go to the bulb at the moment with those that are in your new light fitting.
Either the chocie block can rest in the top of the new light fitting or you'll have to push it into the ceiling void.
If any of this seems at all confusing, then get someone in.
I've never heard of anyone referring to those connectors as chocolate boxes though and that's despite having used them in the past. Nevermind, I know now.
CC07 PEU said:
Nah, that's the last thing I'll be doing... I'll either wait for a few more replies here or I'll call someone I know who knows about these things as this can't be at all difficult - it's only six wires. I just thought I could maybe get a quick response/solution here.
I love this.. Exactly the same as me. Have a go at anything! Paying someone is a last resort.
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