Oh Joy! Leaking CH - what's this bit?

Oh Joy! Leaking CH - what's this bit?

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Bill

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52,833 posts

256 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Brilliant banghead Anyone any idea what this bit is? I'm guessing some sort of bleed attachment as it's at the high point of the system. The red and black dust caps cover what look like tyre valves, and the red one has leaked all over our freshly decorated bedroom furious


jeremyc

23,512 posts

285 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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I'd wait for confirmation from someone who knows what they're talking about wink, but I believe they're pressure relief valves.

Is it leaking from the connector joints, or because it has been relieving pressure?

Ferg

15,242 posts

258 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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They are automatic air vents. They are a lazy way of venting that loop. Manual vents would be fine if the system is correctly plumbed. However...yours was done by someone who thinks plastic plumbing is acceptable... Tighten the caps down and make them manual. They ALWAYS leak.

Edited by Ferg on Wednesday 9th January 19:23

Bill

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52,833 posts

256 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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It's leaking from the valve on top. A bit of googling suggests it's an automatic air vent.

Bill

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Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Cheers Ferg. The red cap seems to have holes in them frown

Ferg

15,242 posts

258 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Bill said:
Cheers Ferg. The red cap seems to have holes in them frown
Yeah, but tightening it down SHOULD stop it. They really are st things. A proper manual vent would be better. Ther actually let air IN sometimes if too close to the pump suction side.

Bill

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Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Got there, cheers. beer It has holes so it can vent and a cone shape underneath to form a seal if needed.

But why does the black cap have what looks like a Schrader valve underneath?

Ferg

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258 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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The float inside is attached to the schrader valve. The problem is that even the cleanest systems get a bit of muck under that valve seat. A couple of Drain-off Cocks would be better. Once vented, the pump will shunt any small amounts of air. They do save you climbing in the loft to manually vent n the odd occasion that you may drain the system down, but they really aren't worth the grief.

dirkgently

2,160 posts

232 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Bill said:
It's leaking from the valve on top.
"They all do that Sir." laugh

Gingerbread Man

9,171 posts

214 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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They're only really any good to get the system up and running and bled. They then need to be shut off again as they get crap under the seat and leak as stated. They're quite common, often found in boilers, but as I say, need to be shut once you've vented the system.


Ferg

15,242 posts

258 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Gingerbread Man said:
They then need to be shut off again as they get crap under the seat and leak as stated thrown over a hedge.
EFA smile

Bill

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Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Ferg said:
yours was done by someone who thinks plastic plumbing is acceptable...
Talking of which, how st is plastic?

Ferg

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258 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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In MY opinion...only ever any good with crimped fittings. 'O'-ring fittings leak eventually. Ask any of the PLUMBERS on this forum...particularly about the 'o'-rings most boilers are put together with these days.

Mojooo

12,743 posts

181 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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I went on a plumbing course at a college and the tutor was an experienced old timer. His view was that plastic plumbing often failed because people didnt follow the isntructons when fitting it and the materials have come on a lot since the old days - hehad no problem in recommending them - mainly becaus einstallation is a lot easier as you cn feed pipes through awkward bits as pposed to having to join copper tubes.

Gingerbread Man

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214 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Bill said:
Ferg said:
yours was done by someone who thinks plastic plumbing is acceptable...
Talking of which, how st is plastic?
Ferg hates it. Would rather chop his arm off, hollow it out and use it as piping.

That plastic is Hep2o by the looks of it. A lot of new fittings, boilers, showers etc... have O rings in them which is the sealing solution of plastic pipe. Showers are now coming out with O rings as sealing solutions.

Many people happily use plastic pipe. I personally will use plastic pipe but only out of sight.

Quite often, new build houses are totally plumbed in plastic. Not something I think is good, but is a common install.

Bottom line is, some hate it, some don't mind it. Ferg hates it.


Ferg

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258 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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I have to fix it. The hit-and-run site plumbers dont have to worry. They move on. Neoprene O-rings are no good for heating joints. It's just a crappy substandard job. Why not do it properly? I don't understand. Why ruin a house with such cowboy stuff?

blueg33

35,987 posts

225 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Most volume new builds use plastic because it is quicker to install and hence cheaper.

In building 700 houses a year over a 6 year period we only has issues with plastic plumbing twice, in both cases it was speedfit joints incorrectly installed and popping off when the pressure was reduced and increased again.

before we used plastic we had more issues with copper pipes. But the main reason we moved to plastic is that they could be threaded through the web of engineered joists more easily.

Plus scroats don't nick plastic from site as much as they nick copper!


Simpo Two

85,543 posts

266 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Ferg said:
The hit-and-run site plumbers dont have to worry. They move on. Neoprene O-rings are no good for heating joints.
True...



Harpo

482 posts

183 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Hi Bill, is that small holes in the timbers? Just wondering if it's woodworm?
yikes

Bill

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Thursday 10th January 2013
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Possibly. We've recently insulated and boarded and while it was all off sprayed as well although it didn't look active.