Unsolicited letters from surveyors
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Well, that makes a change. The 'experts' from Vincent Brown don't normally put their heads above the parapet. Perhaps they think it's just a car forum and haven't appreciated that there are more than a few of us on here who know what we are talking about in such matters.
There is plenty of advice available for persons contemplating work that may come under the control of the PWA and what that act may require of them. VBA have been winding up people by doing this for years and the history of criticism is easy to find.
There is plenty of advice available for persons contemplating work that may come under the control of the PWA and what that act may require of them. VBA have been winding up people by doing this for years and the history of criticism is easy to find.
I don't think she's one of the surveyors' experts. She's their social media manipulator. See here:
http://www.lululonsdale.com/pages/services
We're being managed. (Good luck with PH! Perhaps you have experience of herding cats?)
http://www.lululonsdale.com/pages/services
We're being managed. (Good luck with PH! Perhaps you have experience of herding cats?)
Well as the damn has burst here she is: http://www.linkedin.com/in/lucyhoodless
Did she find us or did James Gold (collector of Directorships http://www.companydirectorcheck.com/james-alexande... tell her to have a go?
Did she find us or did James Gold (collector of Directorships http://www.companydirectorcheck.com/james-alexande... tell her to have a go?
The expert from Vincent Brown has made a misstatement as there is no legal obligation for anyone carrying out works to serve a Party Wall Notice on their neighbour. If no notice is served then the only action for the neighbour is at court.
The act is of more benefit to the person carrying out works than the neighbour.
The act is of more benefit to the person carrying out works than the neighbour.
MJG280 said:
The expert from Vincent Brown has made a misstatement as there is no legal obligation for anyone carrying out works to serve a Party Wall Notice on their neighbour. If no notice is served then the only action for the neighbour is at court.
The act is of more benefit to the person carrying out works than the neighbour.
I had always thought that if the PWA applied to a building project then the 'builder' was legally obliged to inform the neighbour. Is this not the case?The act is of more benefit to the person carrying out works than the neighbour.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 17th January 08:02
From both the .gov.uk and Planning Portal web sites you can get hold of a 49 page explanatory booklet PDF that will give enouugh info for most of us.
https://www.gov.uk/party-wall-etc-act-1996-guidanc...
Of interest are two points it mentions:
"What happens if a Building Owner does not serve a notice as required under the Act?
Where work has begun without notice being given, an adjoining owner can seek to stop the work through a court injunction"
and:
"The Act contains no enforcement procedures"
So it look like it's a civil court matter if someone doesn't follow the suggested procedures and their neighbour objects.
https://www.gov.uk/party-wall-etc-act-1996-guidanc...
Of interest are two points it mentions:
"What happens if a Building Owner does not serve a notice as required under the Act?
Where work has begun without notice being given, an adjoining owner can seek to stop the work through a court injunction"
and:
"The Act contains no enforcement procedures"
So it look like it's a civil court matter if someone doesn't follow the suggested procedures and their neighbour objects.
It is a point worthy of note that we Party Wall surveyors don't have clients, we have appointing owners and ultimately are charged with acting to protect the interests of the wall.
It might be relatively toothless as an act but it has been that way for many a year in Central London where the provisions have been in place for thousands of years (approximately).
I would make 2 points about the teeth or lack of them. In the event of any issue relating to the building works being carried on that arises between neighbours, and to which the PWA would have applied, any Judge will take a dim view of someone not complying with the act, when they should have.
Try selling a house where there is a dispute.
It's easy legislation to comply with, give rights more than obligations and protects all.
It might be relatively toothless as an act but it has been that way for many a year in Central London where the provisions have been in place for thousands of years (approximately).
I would make 2 points about the teeth or lack of them. In the event of any issue relating to the building works being carried on that arises between neighbours, and to which the PWA would have applied, any Judge will take a dim view of someone not complying with the act, when they should have.
Try selling a house where there is a dispute.
It's easy legislation to comply with, give rights more than obligations and protects all.
As I said the act is of more benefit to the person carrying out works than the neighbour.
With large London commercial works it would certainly benefit the building owner carrying out the works as fighting in court is messy. For most sensibly priced houses, neighbours probably can't afford the legal costs of trying to stop a neighbour carrying out works
With large London commercial works it would certainly benefit the building owner carrying out the works as fighting in court is messy. For most sensibly priced houses, neighbours probably can't afford the legal costs of trying to stop a neighbour carrying out works
Which begs the question as to why an apparently 'big' outfit in London would send letters to the neighbour of someone planning a humble porch extension 80 miles away that has been approved by a small district council they have probably never heard of.
My contention is that if they were any good they would be able to attract proper clients in London. The fact they don't tells me they are little more than rabble-rousing cowboys. What next Mr 'yee-hah' Gold - PPI claims?
My contention is that if they were any good they would be able to attract proper clients in London. The fact they don't tells me they are little more than rabble-rousing cowboys. What next Mr 'yee-hah' Gold - PPI claims?
EskimoArapaho and Simpo Two, it’s great to see in the spirit of the forum that you’re happy to display bullying behaviour by way of ‘naming and shaming’ an innocent party, I didn’t realise this was allowed on a website like this? Also to confirm, the person that you're referring too, well I'm afraid you've got that wrong too. I think readers to this forum will be able to make up their own opinion on this subject now considering the malicious nature of your comments.
LGB said:
EskimoArapaho and Simpo Two, it’s great to see in the spirit of the forum that you’re happy to display bullying behaviour by way of ‘naming and shaming’ an innocent party, I didn’t realise this was allowed on a website like this? Also to confirm, the person that you're referring too, well I'm afraid you've got that wrong too.
First, Lucy, let's be crystal clear: this is not bullying. No-one's taunting you, no-one's threatening you. You know that, I know that, everybody on the forum can see that. (Notwithstanding the fact that you've edited your profile to remove your name.)Now, this is the only thread you've commented on. You joined Pistonheads specifically to do so. And now that it hasn't worked out quite as you'd hoped, you are playing the victim card. There's nothing malicious, so it now looks like you're trying to avoid answering the questions - questions that you specifically asked for. Well that just won't work.
You are a social media manipulator. You have failed, here, at least.
EskimoArapaho said:
Thanks for joining the forum. I hope you stay, contribute and enjoy all that PH has to offer.
For now, can you please show the text of the letter you send to the neighbours of those who get PP? And also let us know when, typically, you send them out (with regard to the application/granting of PP)?
Did you not like the question? ,the absence of a reply would suggest so. Why join a forum to defend your company and then not answer a perfectly simple request.For now, can you please show the text of the letter you send to the neighbours of those who get PP? And also let us know when, typically, you send them out (with regard to the application/granting of PP)?
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