Self builders - where to find land for sale

[blueg33]

monthefish said:

blueg33 said:

V8RX7 said:

blueg33 said:

V8RX7 said:

twokcc said:

council decided tree was rare and slapped a TPO on it to prevent us getting additional access to site

The house I developed was covered in mature trees.

Bought on a Friday - all the trees were chopped down on Sunday (when there's no one working at the Council)

That can backfire

Not really in this case - there was no chance of doing anything if I left the trees in as it was a single plot site and I did check for TPOs in the area - without giving them the exact address - as I've seen them slap a blanket TPO on in the past.

I've seen the blanket TPO on planning submission too. But a couple of times cutting down the trees has back fired by alienating the Committee and the local residents

Edited by blueg33 on Monday 7th December 09:39

A TPO will eliminate all possibility of development, whereas alienating the Committee and the local residents will only inhibit development (and may have no effect whatsoever if the proposal is supported buy the planners and doesn't go to committee)

Rubbish. I have done countless developments with TPO's on them

[monthefish]

blueg33 said:

monthefish said:

blueg33 said:

V8RX7 said:

blueg33 said:

V8RX7 said:

twokcc said:

council decided tree was rare and slapped a TPO on it to prevent us getting additional access to site

The house I developed was covered in mature trees.

Bought on a Friday - all the trees were chopped down on Sunday (when there's no one working at the Council)

That can backfire

Not really in this case - there was no chance of doing anything if I left the trees in as it was a single plot site and I did check for TPOs in the area - without giving them the exact address - as I've seen them slap a blanket TPO on in the past.

I've seen the blanket TPO on planning submission too. But a couple of times cutting down the trees has back fired by alienating the Committee and the local residents

Edited by blueg33 on Monday 7th December 09:39

A TPO will eliminate all possibility of development, whereas alienating the Committee and the local residents will only inhibit development (and may have no effect whatsoever if the proposal is supported buy the planners and doesn't go to committee)

Rubbish. I have done countless developments with TPO's on them

You know what I meant.

[blueg33]

monthefish said:

You know what I meant.

You sad a TPO will eliminate all possibility of development. That's a very clear statement and is wrong.

I believe that development works best by consensus rather than by confrontation, felling trees is an aggressive tactic that is often not well received and with a bit of thought and negotiation is unnecessary.

A residential site is almost always better with mature trees than without.

We have made 30 planning applications for residential this year, all but one refused, some sites have trees, some have TPO's some are conservation areas. We do not fell trees as a tactic and it has not harmed us.

Edited by blueg33 on Thursday 10th December 10:25

[V8RX7]

blueg33 said:

I believe that development works best by consensus rather than by confrontation, felling trees is an aggressive tactic that is often not well received and with a bit of thought and negotiation is unnecessary.

A residential site is almost always better with mature trees than without.

Agreed - I specifically bought my house because of the amount of mature trees that surround it.

But it obviously depends upon the site and the trees.

If you are buying larger plots of land and are aware of the trees it's fine as you allow for them in your design and submit your (lower) offer as you have a lower density.

However if you own the land and wish to maximise the price or it's a single plot and the trees stifle the development it's best to remove them.

[The Moose]

blueg33 said:

some have typo's

In that case, you should probably be more careful with your applications.

[blueg33]

The Moose said:

blueg33 said:

some have typo's

In that case, you should probably be more careful with your applications.

Indeed - that's Microsoft Edge for you.......

[monthefish]

blueg33 said:

monthefish said:

You know what I meant.

You sad a TPO will eliminate all possibility of development. That's a very clear statement and is wrong.

I believe that development works best by consensus rather than by confrontation, felling trees is an aggressive tactic that is often not well received and with a bit of thought and negotiation is unnecessary.

A residential site is almost always better with mature trees than without.

We have made 30 planning applications for residential this year, all but one refused, some sites have trees, some have TPO's some are conservation areas. We do not fell trees as a tactic and it has not harmed us.

Edited by blueg33 on Thursday 10th December 10:25

I think your problem is that, as you are involved in a large scale commercial/residential development, you lose sight of (or perhaps are completely unaware) of the differences in the process and issues in single unit development/self build. With all due respect, you regularly come across as a condescending prick, and indeed your advice is only occasionally relevant to the question being asked. (Large scale developers aren't going to be coming on motoring forum looking for advice).

This thread is about 'Self builders'. It's there in the title.
A typical self build site is likely to be half and acre or less. If it has a TPO on it, there is a very high chance that that will be a death knell on any development, or at the least, it will be a significant hurdle to be overcome, and best avoided altogether if possible.

Again, it is completely different for large scale where substitutional planting will usually be possible (and accepted/welcomed), and the budget of the project can easily cover getting a professional landscape designer and arborists to address the matter, or the scheme can be adjusted to avoid the tress and incorporate them into the entire landscaping plan.

[blueg33]

monthefish said:

blueg33 said:

monthefish said:

You know what I meant.

You sad a TPO will eliminate all possibility of development. That's a very clear statement and is wrong.

I believe that development works best by consensus rather than by confrontation, felling trees is an aggressive tactic that is often not well received and with a bit of thought and negotiation is unnecessary.

A residential site is almost always better with mature trees than without.

We have made 30 planning applications for residential this year, all but one refused, some sites have trees, some have TPO's some are conservation areas. We do not fell trees as a tactic and it has not harmed us.

Edited by blueg33 on Thursday 10th December 10:25

I think your problem is that, as you are involved in a large scale commercial/residential development, you lose sight of (or perhaps are completely unaware) of the differences in the process and issues in single unit development/self build. With all due respect, you regularly come across as a condescending prick, and indeed your advice is only occasionally relevant to the question being asked. (Large scale developers aren't going to be coming on motoring forum looking for advice).

This thread is about 'Self builders'. It's there in the title.
A typical self build site is likely to be half and acre or less. If it has a TPO on it, there is a very high chance that that will be a death knell on any development, or at the least, it will be a significant hurdle to be overcome, and best avoided altogether if possible.

Again, it is completely different for large scale where substitutional planting will usually be possible (and accepted/welcomed), and the budget of the project can easily cover getting a professional landscape designer and arborists to address the matter, or the scheme can be adjusted to avoid the tress and incorporate them into the entire landscaping plan.

Much of my career has been high end value resi for CC and BH, with lots of single plots and small sites, so I belive that the comments are still relevant. Even today a good 50% of my developments are on plots sizes of half an acre or so (supported living). These are all small enough for trees to be an issue, but not an issue that necessarily needs resolving by cutting trees down before an application. On the small good quality resi sites trees add a huge amount of value.

I find most Councils are flexible on trees, lets face it, if the small site is in a conservation area, you can't fell the trees before an application anyway, but developments still happen and are often of a high quality.

I have also seen emergency TPO's triggered as soon as you start to cut the trees down, I was badly burned by doing that in Cheltenham on a 5 unit site and the resultant TPO sterilised part of the site, had I not tried to be clever before the application I would have got a better consent in the end.

Clearly its not a case of 1 solutions fits all sites, but my experience tells me that what ever the size of site cutting down trees prior to an application is not necessarily a good strategy.

I will also admit that I have walked away from sites because I could see that tree issues would be a pain to resolve. Another site will always come along (except in Chesterfield when I can't find the half acre site I need)

[monthefish]

blueg33 said:

monthefish said:

blueg33 said:

monthefish said:

You know what I meant.

You sad a TPO will eliminate all possibility of development. That's a very clear statement and is wrong.

I believe that development works best by consensus rather than by confrontation, felling trees is an aggressive tactic that is often not well received and with a bit of thought and negotiation is unnecessary.

A residential site is almost always better with mature trees than without.

We have made 30 planning applications for residential this year, all but one refused, some sites have trees, some have TPO's some are conservation areas. We do not fell trees as a tactic and it has not harmed us.

Edited by blueg33 on Thursday 10th December 10:25

I think your problem is that, as you are involved in a large scale commercial/residential development, you lose sight of (or perhaps are completely unaware) of the differences in the process and issues in single unit development/self build. With all due respect, you regularly come across as a condescending prick, and indeed your advice is only occasionally relevant to the question being asked. (Large scale developers aren't going to be coming on motoring forum looking for advice).

This thread is about 'Self builders'. It's there in the title.
A typical self build site is likely to be half and acre or less. If it has a TPO on it, there is a very high chance that that will be a death knell on any development, or at the least, it will be a significant hurdle to be overcome, and best avoided altogether if possible.

Again, it is completely different for large scale where substitutional planting will usually be possible (and accepted/welcomed), and the budget of the project can easily cover getting a professional landscape designer and arborists to address the matter, or the scheme can be adjusted to avoid the tress and incorporate them into the entire landscaping plan.

Much of my career has been high end value resi for CC and BH, with lots of single plots and small sites, so I belive that the comments are still relevant. Even today a good 50% of my developments are on plots sizes of half an acre or so (supported living). These are all small enough for trees to be an issue, but not an issue that necessarily needs resolving by cutting trees down before an application. On the small good quality resi sites trees add a huge amount of value.

I find most Councils are flexible on trees, lets face it, if the small site is in a conservation area, you can't fell the trees before an application anyway, but developments still happen and are often of a high quality.

I have also seen emergency TPO's triggered as soon as you start to cut the trees down, I was badly burned by doing that in Cheltenham on a 5 unit site and the resultant TPO sterilised part of the site, had I not tried to be clever before the application I would have got a better consent in the end.

Clearly its not a case of 1 solutions fits all sites, but my experience tells me that what ever the size of site cutting down trees prior to an application is not necessarily a good strategy.

I will also admit that I have walked away from sites because I could see that tree issues would be a pain to resolve. Another site will always come along (except in Chesterfield when I can't find the half acre site I need)

Fair post.