Replacing roof tiles - any planning/regs to consider?

[MagicalTrevor]

We're in the process of replacing the tiles on our roof, pretty much like for like I.e. The colour is all the same, as is the pattern of the tiles, the insulation is as per the current standards as it's quite new.

Do we need to notify anybody of this? I've said "planning" but I'm really not expecting that to be the case. I just want to make sure that insurance isn't an issue and when we come to sell the house that it's all fine.

I'm going to call the council planning department tomorrow but just wanted to be forewarned.

Thanks

[TA14]

MagicalTrevor said:

We're in the process of replacing the tiles on our roof, pretty much like for like I.e. The colour is all the same, as is the pattern of the tiles, the insulation is as per the current standards as it's quite new.

Can't think of any notifications but maybe somebody else will be along soon to point out the error of my thoughts. Roofs are usually designed to last 30 to 40 years or so but end up lasting up to twice that long; why are you replacing after less than ten and possibly less than five years?

[MagicalTrevor]

The roof itself is 70 odd years old, the loft insulation is ~3 years. I wasn't clear about that sorry

[roofer]

If it's non conservation and not listed, carry on.

[barryrs]

Are you replacing 70 year old clay tiles with modern concretes?

I've known issues raised by building control regarding overloading of old timbers due to the increased weight on rafters that would be considered under sized by modern standards.

[MagicalTrevor]

I'm confused about this
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/common...

Under 'Work to an existing roof' it refers to replacing/repairing 25% of the roof area and that is need building regs approval.

Sorry, I can't copy and paste the text on my phone for some reason

[V8RX7]

MagicalTrevor said:

I'm confused about this
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/common...

Under 'Work to an existing roof' it refers to replacing/repairing 25% of the roof area and that is need building regs approval.

Sorry, I can't copy and paste the text on my phone for some reason

This is the new(ish) bullst that they want you to upgrade your insulation to new standards if you renovate.

If yours was done recently (approx 300mm) then you'll be ok, it's also pretty unenforceable other than to withhold a Cert.

I would carry on without notifying anyone unless as previously mentioned you are Listed, Conservation area etc

[paulwirral]

Crack on and say nowt ! Get the scaffolding down sharpish as well

[TA14]

MagicalTrevor said:

I'm confused about this http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/common...

Under 'Work to an existing roof' it refers to replacing/repairing 25% of the roof area and that is need building regs approval.

The latest regs mean that you need BR approval.

It appears that the only way round building regs is the competent persons scheme:
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/buildingregulatio...

From your link: "If the new roof covering is significantly heavier or lighter than the existing one, the roof structure may need modifying and/or strengthening, and you are advised to check with a structural engineer or surveyor before commencing with works." In your case the new covering will be heavier and I've often thought that it should be standard practice to attach deeper joists to at least some of the rafters to account for this as well as assessing the purlins but I've never seen anyone bother - roofs just sag to varying degrees.

(As a footnote, with councils having cost saving budgets resulting in BCOs becoming fewer and their workload increasing I can't see inspecting re-roofs being at the top of their list of jobs to do.)

Edited by TA14 on Thursday 10th December 08:53

[MagicalTrevor]

Thanks all,

I think I'll call them but remain anonymous to find their official line. I've heard of this 'competent persons scheme' but I'm not sure they company is part of that, although I could check.

[MagicalTrevor]

To answer my question, I called the council and anonymously asked. They simply said that I need them to come round and inspect it to make sure that the insulation is ok (it is) and I haven't added any extra weight to the roof (it hasn't) so whilst it's an unexpected £147 to pay, it does give peace of mind that there'll be no issues when we sell.

Thanks for your advice

[Renovation]

MagicalTrevor said:

To answer my question, I called the council and anonymously asked. They simply said that I need them to come round and inspect it to make sure that the insulation is ok (it is) and I haven't added any extra weight to the roof (it hasn't) so whilst it's an unexpected £147 to pay, it does give peace of mind that there'll be no issues when we sell.

Thanks for your advice

£147 for nothing...

Would you like to buy some magic beans ?

[MagicalTrevor]

Whilst you're sort of right, a decent solicitor should ask for building regs documents to support the roof replacement. For £147 (on top of the cost of the roof itself) then it's done and we've done it correctly.

[moles]

Why not just get indemnity insurance after will be way cheaper than £147.

[Elysium]

Renovation said:

MagicalTrevor said:

To answer my question, I called the council and anonymously asked. They simply said that I need them to come round and inspect it to make sure that the insulation is ok (it is) and I haven't added any extra weight to the roof (it hasn't) so whilst it's an unexpected £147 to pay, it does give peace of mind that there'll be no issues when we sell.

Thanks for your advice

£147 for nothing...

Would you like to buy some magic beans ?

No £147 to make sure the builder doesn't lift your leg and that you are not chipped by £5k when you come to sell your home.

[Renovation]

Elysium said:

Renovation said:

MagicalTrevor said:

To answer my question, I called the council and anonymously asked. They simply said that I need them to come round and inspect it to make sure that the insulation is ok (it is) and I haven't added any extra weight to the roof (it hasn't) so whilst it's an unexpected £147 to pay, it does give peace of mind that there'll be no issues when we sell.

Thanks for your advice

£147 for nothing...

Would you like to buy some magic beans ?

No £147 to make sure the builder doesn't lift your leg and that you are not chipped by £5k when you come to sell your home.

I'm guessing you've never used Building Control - they don't inspect, know or care about your roof, the only thing he'll check is the insulation.

I used them to build a house - throughout the entire build I doubt he spent 20 mins on site, the final inspection he never even went upstairs and took less than 5 mins.

[bobtail4x4]

you need to complain then,

he should be there at least as long as it takes to drink the tea you make him.