Siematic Kitchen

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Lesgrandepotato

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372 posts

100 months

Tuesday 6th September 2016
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We have a quote for a Siematic kitchen at the new place, currently circa 22k for a 16sqm Kitchen. Does anyone have any idea of how much movement we should be able to do on the quote?

Neil - YVM

1,310 posts

200 months

Tuesday 6th September 2016
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OP, you really havent given anywhere near enough information to allow any of us to help.

How many units, what style, what appliances, what worktop, what backsplash, addional works ie plastering, electrics needed, does this include flooring, etc etc.

singlecoil

33,655 posts

247 months

Tuesday 6th September 2016
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OP wants to know how much of their undoubtedly good profit the suppliers are prepared to sacrifice ino order to keep the sale. If the supplier was on this forum and posting on this thread he couldn't necessarily be relied on to tell the truth, and for damn sure nobody else knows the answer to the OPs's question.

dickymint

24,363 posts

259 months

Tuesday 6th September 2016
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10% no wait 30% hang on a mo..............




Give or take a cupboard or two wink

Lesgrandepotato

Original Poster:

372 posts

100 months

Tuesday 6th September 2016
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Yep, ok fair comment :-)

Thats for
Units circa 10k,
1.5k fitting (assuming a prepared site)
4k worktops part Iroko, part quartz
Sink and sundry items about 650.

2k for Neff appliances (Oven * 2, dishwasher *2) we have a couple of Smeg fridges already

1k for glass splashbacks

So most of it looks OK, but the units and worktops are a bit toppy? its a 4m run (low and high), a 2.5m * 90cm island and a 3m low run.

So anyone with experience of the brand and where I might get to? All of the above Ex VAT

Lesgrandepotato

Original Poster:

372 posts

100 months

Tuesday 6th September 2016
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No flooring, no plastering, going into a newly built area with an appropriate first fix in place

singlecoil

33,655 posts

247 months

Tuesday 6th September 2016
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Lesgrandepotato said:
So anyone with experience of the brand and where I might get to? All of the above Ex VAT
What you are being offered for the amount quoted isn't really the issue. The issue is how much profit is the supplier prepared to lose to keep the sale?

Also, consider this. If you tell them you want exactly the stuff offered but for a lower price, if they then reduce the price it makes them look as if they were, as the Americans put it, trying to gouge you with the first price.

Suppliers like Wren etc won't care about stuff like that but it may well be that Siematic retailers have thinner skins, maybe even a reputation to protect. I expect they have quite tightly controlled retail prices anyway.

Have you tried asking them? If you do then perhaps say you are prepared to change the spec somewhat in order to get the cost down, which will allow them to knock a decent amount off without it seeming like they were trying it on with the first quote.

astroarcadia

1,711 posts

201 months

Tuesday 6th September 2016
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Price seems about right to me based on limited info given.

Instead of asking for discount I would look to upgrade to Siemens appliances.

RevHappy

1,840 posts

163 months

Tuesday 6th September 2016
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astroarcadia said:
Price seems about right to me based on limited info given.

Instead of asking for discount I would look to upgrade to Siemens appliances.
Nef to Siemens is badge and look, if it's the same level of spec it's a UK to international brand if you will

RevHappy

1,840 posts

163 months

Tuesday 6th September 2016
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Lesgrandepotato said:
Yep, ok fair comment :-)

Thats for
Units circa 10k,
1.5k fitting (assuming a prepared site)
4k worktops part Iroko, part quartz
Sink and sundry items about 650.

2k for Neff appliances (Oven * 2, dishwasher *2) we have a couple of Smeg fridges already

1k for glass splashbacks

So most of it looks OK, but the units and worktops are a bit toppy? its a 4m run (low and high), a 2.5m * 90cm island and a 3m low run.

So anyone with experience of the brand and where I might get to? All of the above Ex VAT
Seems not to be overly expensive but it will depend on the furniture finish and internal configuration these have a big impact on cost. Also accessories play a big part in cost than some realise, a plastic cutlery insert is sub £50, fully wood and metal near £500. Both have the same description by a few sharks.

astroarcadia

1,711 posts

201 months

Wednesday 7th September 2016
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RevHappy said:
Nef to Siemens is badge and look, if it's the same level of spec it's a UK to international brand if you will
Exactly why I would change. German kitchen and Siemens look better.

Lesgrandepotato

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372 posts

100 months

Wednesday 7th September 2016
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Super - thanks guys, as I suspected it wasn't far out for a decent installation. I'll have a look at the Siemens options as well.

Right, off to review the other bits of the budget.. Kitchen is a fair way off still. There is a 6m *4.5m hole in the front of the house and a digger in the hallway...

joestifff

785 posts

107 months

Wednesday 7th September 2016
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Lesgrandepotato said:
Super - thanks guys, as I suspected it wasn't far out for a decent installation. I'll have a look at the Siemens options as well.

Right, off to review the other bits of the budget.. Kitchen is a fair way off still. There is a 6m *4.5m hole in the front of the house and a digger in the hallway...
Where is the build thread for this??

Can't ask for advice and not supply photos etc!!

Lesgrandepotato

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372 posts

100 months

Wednesday 7th September 2016
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joestifff said:
Where is the build thread for this??

Can't ask for advice and not supply photos etc!!
Fair cop, I'll start to put something together..

catfood12

1,419 posts

143 months

Thursday 8th September 2016
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Siemens !? Upgrade to Miele/Gaggenau. Now in litigation with our Siematic supplier. Make sure the fitter is Siematic trained, and has been on the course in Germany. I would suggest extreme caution if the supplier is close to the New Forest, and the proprietors name sounds a bit like the papers you'd roll a fat one with....

Great kitchen though, once the snagging is done !

alfa aficionado

131 posts

124 months

Friday 9th September 2016
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astroarcadia said:
Exactly why I would change. German kitchen and Siemens look better.
I thought NEFF were German too?

In fact I thought the same parent company owns Bosch, Siemens, NEFF and Gaggenau?

eliot

11,436 posts

255 months

Friday 9th September 2016
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The only thing that jumps out at me is £12k for base units - are they fabricated on the thigh of a virgin or something?
How long do you intend to keep it - 15 years?

astroarcadia

1,711 posts

201 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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alfa aficionado said:
I thought NEFF were German too?

In fact I thought the same parent company owns Bosch, Siemens, NEFF and Gaggenau?
Siemtaic is a high end German brand. Siemens would be the lowest spec product I would put in from the BSH group.

Ideally you want Gagg with a Siemtaic kitchen but this isn't a large one.

RevHappy

1,840 posts

163 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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alfa aficionado said:
astroarcadia said:
Exactly why I would change. German kitchen and Siemens look better.
I thought NEFF were German too?

In fact I thought the same parent company owns Bosch, Siemens, NEFF and Gaggenau?
yes they are owned by the BSH group, they are just style and specified for the UK general market.

RevHappy

1,840 posts

163 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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catfood12 said:
Siemens !? Upgrade to Miele/Gaggenau. Now in litigation with our Siematic supplier. Make sure the fitter is Siematic trained, and has been on the course in Germany. I would suggest extreme caution if the supplier is close to the New Forest, and the proprietors name sounds a bit like the papers you'd roll a fat one with....

Great kitchen though, once the snagging is done !
Worse time of year for product snagging has only been over for a couple of week. Fitting snagging should be uber minor at that level.