Lighting electrics- what's going on here?
Discussion
W12GT said:
Laplace said:
So, you worked on a circuit without checking if it was dead and the other guy is the idiot? Riiiiiight.
Anyway, as already mentioned it is perfectly normal to have loop in permanent live feeds at a ceiling rose.
No and no. Permanent live feed is old fashioned practice - it's dangerous hence not approved anymore:- the main reason being you are exposed to potential shock eveyrine you change a bulb regardless of switch position and before you state turning breaker off before bulb change - good practice yes but not many people do it!Anyway, as already mentioned it is perfectly normal to have loop in permanent live feeds at a ceiling rose.
Jonesy23 said:
It's a stupid thing aimed mostly at generating cash for people like NICEIC.
Bodgers just ignore it.
Electricians jump through the right hoops and then get away with installing all sorts of non conforming crap under self certification.
Individuals even with the right qualifications have no obvious route to self certification in a personal capacity and getting someone else to sign off an install under a non self certification route is effectively impossible.
It's one of the biggest loads of garbage ever created matched only by the other similar bits of building control.
Agreed I'm not sure how it stops bad works. Now even less is notifiable , BC will just accept the certificates regardless of what is hidden away. Bodgers just ignore it.
Electricians jump through the right hoops and then get away with installing all sorts of non conforming crap under self certification.
Individuals even with the right qualifications have no obvious route to self certification in a personal capacity and getting someone else to sign off an install under a non self certification route is effectively impossible.
It's one of the biggest loads of garbage ever created matched only by the other similar bits of building control.
As for individuals who can do the work but aren't part p and can't do the cert. I think you can do a building regs application then BC will get the council electricians to do the testing. Not that practical but if say you rewired your own house to the standards you could get the cert this way.
W12GT said:
No and no. Permanent live feed is old fashioned practice - it's dangerous hence not approved anymore:- the main reason being you are exposed to potential shock eveyrine you change a bulb regardless of switch position and before you state turning breaker off before bulb change - good practice yes but not many people do it!
We got a live one here.Alucidnation said:
W12GT said:
Laplace said:
So, you worked on a circuit without checking if it was dead and the other guy is the idiot? Riiiiiight.
Anyway, as already mentioned it is perfectly normal to have loop in permanent live feeds at a ceiling rose.
No and no. Permanent live feed is old fashioned practice - it's dangerous hence not approved anymore:- the main reason being you are exposed to potential shock eveyrine you change a bulb regardless of switch position and before you state turning breaker off before bulb change - good practice yes but not many people do it!Anyway, as already mentioned it is perfectly normal to have loop in permanent live feeds at a ceiling rose.
Alucidnation said:
W12GT said:
Laplace said:
So, you worked on a circuit without checking if it was dead and the other guy is the idiot? Riiiiiight.
Anyway, as already mentioned it is perfectly normal to have loop in permanent live feeds at a ceiling rose.
No and no. Permanent live feed is old fashioned practice - it's dangerous hence not approved anymore:- the main reason being you are exposed to potential shock eveyrine you change a bulb regardless of switch position and before you state turning breaker off before bulb change - good practice yes but not many people do it!Anyway, as already mentioned it is perfectly normal to have loop in permanent live feeds at a ceiling rose.
laplace was referring to a loop in/out live a the ceiling rose. ie normal practice.
Either way, changing a light fitting without double checking it is dead is stupid. As is assuming that a light switch has isolated the fitting when changing a bulb. Even if it is wired correctly a neutral fault could still give you a nasty surprise.....
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