house price/selling question.... opinions welcome

house price/selling question.... opinions welcome

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RC1807

12,555 posts

169 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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Tonker, having read your situation from other posts, this can't be easy, but I've read this post a couple of times and I'm confused.

You reduced the price and received 2 offers,
<1.7m
@1.7m
Where did 1.5m come from? confused

I believe you're in a position of "cutting your losses/ties and getting the fk out", so perhaps to reduce to OIEO £1.75m to try and get some interest, then try and sell some F&F, etc.?

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ETA: I guess you edited as I was posting and £1.5m became £1.85m?
Makes more sense now.... As you were.

OIEO £1.75m?

Edited by RC1807 on Friday 28th October 09:23

sidekickdmr

5,078 posts

207 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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Assuming H & W are husband and wife, and both own/live in the house?

I don’t really see why mulling over an offer for 2 days is the end of the world, 2 weeks, yes 2 days is fine.

If H and W are husband and wife, then there is nothing the internet strangers can really do, the W just needs to be convinced to lower expectations by the H, or risk being in the same postision next year.

FWIW, I think 1.8 would be a good middle ground that both parties should be working towards.

FrankAbagnale

1,702 posts

113 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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Where I am (home counties) the £2m+ market is in a pretty bad way and the price elasticity is huge. Quite simply demand just isn't there and when buyers are so scarce, prices can wildly swing.

When i say it's pretty bad, I think it would be fairer to say values have fallen off a cliff. We've seen vendors of £2m+ properties "getting out" at reduced figures ahead of a falling market. 20-25% off Guide Price isn't unusual anymore.

It's almost impossible to say from behind a PC whether the offer is a reasonable one, but with that said you've been on the market a while and had two similar offers? Viewings started coming in around the £1.9m mark?

If you were on in excess of £2m and didnt get any viewings, reduced to £1.9m and got viewings and then recieved an offer of £1.7m - I don't see that as unusual. I would expect that to be tied up around £1.8m as most people have some flexibility on their first offer.

With the above said, if I was in your shoes I would take a look at sold properties in a similar area circa £1.7m and make your own judgement and also get an agent around for another valuation - ask them to be brutally honest.

I struggled to understand your post completely, but think I got the general gist.

Bill

52,870 posts

256 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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stty situation.

H can do no right in W's eyes so no matter how sensible your suggestions are they won't be listened to. I suspect you've found the correct level at £1.7m or thereabouts but buggering people about is only going to lower that figure.

Is it worth coming back to her and saying you're prepared to take the hit so aim for £1.75m and offer her an extra £50k over her half? (Probably not, as it may well just encourage her. banghead Just thinking out loud.)

FrankAbagnale

1,702 posts

113 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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anonymous said:
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I just ran a report on my applicants, and I have 6 individuals registered since 1st June 2016 who are proceedable and looking in my area above £2m.

I have more who registered before then, but I think that shows not many people have woken up in the last 5 months and thought "I fancy buying a big house".

AC43

11,505 posts

209 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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anonymous said:
[redacted]
This is the fundamental underlying problem.

Where I live Brexit killed the £2m+ market stone dead.



FrankAbagnale

1,702 posts

113 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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AC43 said:
anonymous said:
[redacted]
This is the fundamental underlying problem.

Where I live Brexit killed the £2m+ market stone dead.
I think that market was on a downward slope long before brexit. The changes in stamp duty were the real killer. Brexit hasn't helped, but as far as I see didn't change the already downward trend.

camshafted

938 posts

166 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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AC43 said:
This is the fundamental underlying problem.

Where I live Brexit killed the £2m+ market stone dead.
£2 million market has been dead for nearly two years now. Osbornomics killed it.

Rangeroverover

1,523 posts

112 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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If by some happy chance you are divorcing.........I have had clients in your position who have had to go to court, the judge appoints a valuer and then says any offers over £x will be accepted. Usually its the wife punishing husband or she's living in it and doesn't fancy moving.

If you're not divorcing.........

Prohibiting

1,741 posts

119 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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On another note, I'm trying to sell a 2bed end terrace. Usually these fly off the market like hot cakes but 4 weeks have passed and no offers despite reasonable pricing- plus the property is immaculate. I rang the agents this morning and have reduced it by £5k with a fixed price to make it competitive. Even the agents are surprised. I think sellers such as myself need to "get out" before they have to be reduced further!

IMO, all properties are going to fall in the New Year and once Brexit is activated.

z4RRSchris

11,338 posts

180 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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market is screwed.

i worked out today that on a flat i sold last week, i had reduced 10%, gave a 20% discount and the currency has moved 15% so this overseas buyer effectively got a 46% discount..

C

V8RX7

26,920 posts

264 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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Is there any way to encourage your wife to sell faster - restricting / increasing her spending, getting even lower offers put in by friends, turning down the heating, throwing wild parties... ?

Pointing out that the sooner it's sold the sooner you both move on etc

I'm a big fan of a bird in the hand - particularly in your situation where you're only getting half the bird anyway.

Then ideally getting her to agree in writing, to accept say £1.7M so when an offer comes in you already have her consent.

You attract more bees with sugar but sometimes a swatter is required wink


mr_spock

3,341 posts

216 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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You're not going to like this but...

W is unreasonable. She has decided how much she wants for herself (I assume the house proceeds will be split) and, reading between the lines, won't compromise for whatever reason.

Her bottom line is 1.85M, so her half is .925M. H should sell for 1.75 (or whatever), give W .925 and take the hit to save his sanity. If other assets are being divided, argue about those. At least the house will be sold.

ikarl

3,730 posts

200 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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mr_spock said:
You're not going to like this but...

W is unreasonable. She has decided how much she wants for herself (I assume the house proceeds will be split) and, reading between the lines, won't compromise for whatever reason.

Her bottom line is 1.85M, so her half is .925M. H should sell for 1.75 (or whatever), give W .925 and take the hit to save his sanity. If other assets are being divided, argue about those. At least the house will be sold.
my thoughts too

(I was going to post earlier however I kept getting a security warning whilst trying to post on this thread)

Mark Benson

7,527 posts

270 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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ikarl said:
mr_spock said:
You're not going to like this but...

W is unreasonable. She has decided how much she wants for herself (I assume the house proceeds will be split) and, reading between the lines, won't compromise for whatever reason.

Her bottom line is 1.85M, so her half is .925M. H should sell for 1.75 (or whatever), give W .925 and take the hit to save his sanity. If other assets are being divided, argue about those. At least the house will be sold.
my thoughts too

(I was going to post earlier however I kept getting a security warning whilst trying to post on this thread)
Thirded, the only way she's going to walk away any time soon is with what she's set her heart on, however unrealistic it is.

Taking the hit financially is really the only option you have if you want to move on.

AC43

11,505 posts

209 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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FrankAbagnale said:
AC43 said:
anonymous said:
[redacted]
This is the fundamental underlying problem.

Where I live Brexit killed the £2m+ market stone dead.
I think that market was on a downward slope long before brexit. The changes in stamp duty were the real killer. Brexit hasn't helped, but as far as I see didn't change the already downward trend.
I had long conversations about this in 2015 with a property developer mate and the conclusion we reached was that the market was surely at the top of its cycle. We both decided to cash out and I'm really glad I did. I actually completed the week after Brexit so couldn't have been nearer the edge if I'd tried.

Brexit wasn't solely responsible but the effect was sudden and dramatic. There was a long glide path then an abrupt plummet.





AC43

11,505 posts

209 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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Mark Benson said:
ikarl said:
mr_spock said:
You're not going to like this but...

W is unreasonable. She has decided how much she wants for herself (I assume the house proceeds will be split) and, reading between the lines, won't compromise for whatever reason.

Her bottom line is 1.85M, so her half is .925M. H should sell for 1.75 (or whatever), give W .925 and take the hit to save his sanity. If other assets are being divided, argue about those. At least the house will be sold.
my thoughts too

(I was going to post earlier however I kept getting a security warning whilst trying to post on this thread)
Thirded, the only way she's going to walk away any time soon is with what she's set her heart on, however unrealistic it is.

Taking the hit financially is really the only option you have if you want to move on.
It's either that or sitting it out for several years (and God knows what that will bring what with all the Brexit uncertainty).

Muncher

12,219 posts

250 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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Prohibiting said:
IMO, all properties are going to fall in the New Year and once Brexit is activated.
The market is fine round here and shows no signs of slowing. I don't think it will make a difference apart from the top end. It's SDLT that's stalling the top end, not Brexit.

FrankAbagnale

1,702 posts

113 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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AC43 said:
FrankAbagnale said:
AC43 said:
anonymous said:
[redacted]
This is the fundamental underlying problem.

Where I live Brexit killed the £2m+ market stone dead.
I think that market was on a downward slope long before brexit. The changes in stamp duty were the real killer. Brexit hasn't helped, but as far as I see didn't change the already downward trend.
I had long conversations about this in 2015 with a property developer mate and the conclusion we reached was that the market was surely at the top of its cycle. We both decided to cash out and I'm really glad I did. I actually completed the week after Brexit so couldn't have been nearer the edge if I'd tried.

Brexit wasn't solely responsible but the effect was sudden and dramatic. There was a long glide path then an abrupt plummet.
Well done on getting out at a good time! I'm not sure what happened in other parts of the country but home counties didn't see an abrupt plummet after brexit - as mentioned above, there was already a falling market and it has just continued in that fashion.

Sharted

2,656 posts

144 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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When I used to repossess houses the saddest cases were those where I would find the wedding photos ground into the bare floorboards by the departing occupant.