Right or wrong? Social housing on new builds
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Pistonheader101 said:
Buy in a nice area then?
You pay for what you get
Not always possible is it. We had to start somewhere, for us it was flats in the centre of Woking. sYou pay for what you get
thole looking back and Woking itself may have been tarted up but the cretins that were there before remain. But we were probably lucky. 2 years on and moved to a detached house in a nice enough area. No issues with anyone what so ever in comparison to living with a bunch of absolute pigs in Woking town centre. I do hate the thought of wasters getting a house in this way. But what can you do, plus some of these people may be in genuine need and perfectly normal people.
Contrary to most posts, I personally think it has it's merits.
I live on a development in Hart with social housing integrated. With the exception of a handful of properties, the social housing tenants are very respectful to the neighbourhood and you'd pushed to know it was social housing (except the give away of numbered parking spots and no driveways).
Whilst I don't know what old council estates were like, my farther and my uncle were brought up on them. My farther's worked very hard and typically part of middle class Britain and has installed good values in us as his children whereby we want to do well and taking handouts isn't the done thing.
My uncle and cousins on the other hand will take everything and anything the government can give them and this is still never enough. Sadly this mentality has been bred into their children and likely to be another generation of this.
It's good for children of the middle class and lower class to mix. I would hope kids from less fortunate backgrounds might shift this mentality and not vice versa. If you bunch them all together, only a few will break out rather than trying to change it on a large scale. Just my two pence.
I do agree it frustrating to see people getting given homes, especially when theirs is bigger than yours which costs you so much, but I am by no means envious.
I live on a development in Hart with social housing integrated. With the exception of a handful of properties, the social housing tenants are very respectful to the neighbourhood and you'd pushed to know it was social housing (except the give away of numbered parking spots and no driveways).
Whilst I don't know what old council estates were like, my farther and my uncle were brought up on them. My farther's worked very hard and typically part of middle class Britain and has installed good values in us as his children whereby we want to do well and taking handouts isn't the done thing.
My uncle and cousins on the other hand will take everything and anything the government can give them and this is still never enough. Sadly this mentality has been bred into their children and likely to be another generation of this.
It's good for children of the middle class and lower class to mix. I would hope kids from less fortunate backgrounds might shift this mentality and not vice versa. If you bunch them all together, only a few will break out rather than trying to change it on a large scale. Just my two pence.
I do agree it frustrating to see people getting given homes, especially when theirs is bigger than yours which costs you so much, but I am by no means envious.
vsonix said:
Wait, what... £65 p/h?
err... I'll do it? I'll even bring my own knob-kerrie if it helps ward off the worst of the bludgers.
Fill your boots, the HAs are screaming out for good engineering subcontractors. Trust me though after a while you'll be saying the same, it isn't worth it unless you don't mind a high turnover of engineers or the difficult ones. Doing the service calls yourself doesn't help either, you spend so much time and effort dealing with aerr... I'll do it? I'll even bring my own knob-kerrie if it helps ward off the worst of the bludgers.
holes you take your eye off the ball on the other key areas of running a business.Or maybe I was just unlucky with that particular HAs tenants, never had a bit of bother working in private sheltered housing though it was always a delight.
Edited by OldGermanHeaps on Wednesday 25th April 20:15
It's the 'exception of a handful of properties' bit though that is the worry.
One psycho family can cause misery for everyone, and it all depends on how close you live to them or if they have to pass your house/you have to pass theirs to leave the street.
Most social housing residents are lovely, many do work and have small businesses/low paid jobs, but even the 'won't work' tend to be fine. It is the risk of the Asbo types who are the problem.
The big estate near me has lots of balconies with little gardens made on them/plants etc and no issues going past it. But then you read the paper and find out about the latest drug den raid.
One psycho family can cause misery for everyone, and it all depends on how close you live to them or if they have to pass your house/you have to pass theirs to leave the street.
Most social housing residents are lovely, many do work and have small businesses/low paid jobs, but even the 'won't work' tend to be fine. It is the risk of the Asbo types who are the problem.
The big estate near me has lots of balconies with little gardens made on them/plants etc and no issues going past it. But then you read the paper and find out about the latest drug den raid.
hyphen said:
It's the 'exception of a handful of properties' bit though that is the worry.
I do agree but I don't think clumping them together is the answer. That being said, I don't know the resolution but it's a step in the right direction.Whilst I will heavily pigeon hole here, where some teenage mums see getting given a house due to having a child as a badge of honour and then earning more in benefits than someone trying to do it right earning minimum wage, if they are going to rely on the state, the state need to take full control of income/expenditure as the mum clearly can't manage herself.
They shouldn't be given any money to then trust for them buy essentials and not waste it on luxurious such as iPhones, Sky, cigarettes etc. (although this is heavily taxed so help to pay their own keep). They should get food orders paid for, utilities paid for, schooling equipment paid for and any other core essentials then give them absolutely no money for anything else to buy stuff they want to have and not to have.
It would take something as drastic of that to change the mentality as whilst we allow people to ride along on coattails, some people are more than happy to take that ride.
hyphen said:
It's the 'exception of a handful of properties' bit though that is the worry.
One psycho family can cause misery for everyone, and it all depends on how close you live to them or if they have to pass your house/you have to pass theirs to leave the street.
Most social housing residents are lovely, many do work and have small businesses/low paid jobs, but even the 'won't work' tend to be fine. It is the risk of the Asbo types who are the problem.
The big estate near me has lots of balconies with little gardens made on them/plants etc and no issues going past it. But then you read the paper and find out about the latest drug den raid.
In Southend you have the Kersal estate - IIRC some 1,500 people (or units, can't remember which) of which maybe 15/20 were problematical... The whole estate has a dreadful rep. Heartbreaking for decent people. One psycho family can cause misery for everyone, and it all depends on how close you live to them or if they have to pass your house/you have to pass theirs to leave the street.
Most social housing residents are lovely, many do work and have small businesses/low paid jobs, but even the 'won't work' tend to be fine. It is the risk of the Asbo types who are the problem.
The big estate near me has lots of balconies with little gardens made on them/plants etc and no issues going past it. But then you read the paper and find out about the latest drug den raid.
OldGermanHeaps said:
vsonix said:
Wait, what... £65 p/h?
err... I'll do it?
Fill your boots, the HAs are screaming out for good engineering subcontractors.err... I'll do it?
Trust me though after a while you'll be saying the same, it isn't worth it
He was called to one to "replace floorboards" he went upstairs and the majority were missing - the tenants had removed them and clad the walls of the lounge !
He went to to "ease the sticking back door" of another, it was sticking because the owner had multiple dogs who pissed up the inside of the door - swelling it, whilst there he saw the barefoot toddler walk through the dog s
t that was in the lounge - he quit that dayGreendubber said:
One of the families eldest has just been sent to prison for 12 years for drugging and raping a 15 year old girl as well as dealing weed from his mum's house
I can only assume that crime is as described (EG , completely against the girls will) if he got 12 yrs and definitely wasn't just a case of getting stoned with and shagging a girl whose consent was only not allowed as she was a few months short of legal age?An 18 yr old in my local village was recently done for the 'rape' of a 12yr old (she was a willing participant) and he didn't see the inside of a cell!
Shuvi McTupya said:
Greendubber said:
One of the families eldest has just been sent to prison for 12 years for drugging and raping a 15 year old girl as well as dealing weed from his mum's house
I can only assume that crime is as described (EG , completely against the girls will) if he got 12 yrs and definitely wasn't just a case of getting stoned with and shagging a girl whose consent was only not allowed as she was a few months short of legal age?An 18 yr old in my local village was recently done for the 'rape' of a 12yr old (she was a willing participant) and he didn't see the inside of a cell!
Ken Figenus said:
Any affordable housing remit 'must be to an equal or greater standard that the commercialy sold open market units'.
Doesn't seem to work like that in the SW. Very large 'village' being built on the edge of Newquay called Nansledan. Houses from 240k ish to double that.http://nansledan.com/
However if you look at the shared ownership/HA homes, they have dropped things like the second bathroom and the garage.
JumboBeef said:
Doesn't seem to work like that in the SW. Very large 'village' being built on the edge of Newquay called Nansledan. Houses from 240k ish to double that.
http://nansledan.com/
However if you look at the shared ownership/HA homes, they have dropped things like the second bathroom and the garage.
I wouldn't consider the bathroom and garage as part of the standard.http://nansledan.com/
However if you look at the shared ownership/HA homes, they have dropped things like the second bathroom and the garage.
It refers to the materials and construction.
Pistonheader101 said:
Buy in a nice area then?
You pay for what you get
Yes and no, I bought a 3 b/room new build house right on the Thames, at Rotherhithe 30 years ago, for less than £60k, the houses peaked at around £1.6 million maybe four years ago, now down to maybe £1.2 million.You pay for what you get
Maybe five or six hundred metres to the West, in Bermondsey Wall East, some more, very attractive houses were built around 20 years ago, they sold brand new for £180 to £275 k.
These places were first class, maybe 15 metres from the river, and really well built.
Maybe under the new building regs. a medium size block of flats was built right next door to the houses as maybe local authority or HA homes.
Within a year of families moving into them, there was graffiti everywhere, cars with maybe two wheels, up on bricks, supermarket trollies abandoned outside flats, teenagers smoking and drinking beer from cans in the small park in front of the flats.
People who lived near me would walk along the main road, Jamaica Road, to get to the bars and restaurants at Butlers Wharf, rather than the shorter, should be pleasant Thames-side path next to the river.
A graphic designer, who used the same pub as me, dropped £200k in selling the house that he’d bought there, and bought a studio apartment in the small block at the end of my street.
London bans developers allocating seperate play areas for social and non social tenants.
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