Right or wrong? Social housing on new builds
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Social housing quotas combined with developer levys in South Oxon are making previously viable developments less attractive to residential developers and as a result no homes are being built. So, there is less supply of regular homes and no social housing being built on those sites at all.
Instead, we are seeing care homes being built for the elderly.
Instead, we are seeing care homes being built for the elderly.
Years ago, I did a tiny development of 2 houses in Oxford. The social housing policy at the time, meant that if I had applied the policy to the letter, one house would have to be social and the other would have had to have a social lodger! IIRC they had a 65% affordable housing poliy
FrankAbagnale said:
Social housing quotas combined with developer levys in South Oxon are making previously viable developments less attractive to residential developers and as a result no homes are being built. So, there is less supply of regular homes and no social housing being built on those sites at all.
Instead, we are seeing care homes being built for the elderly.
I think this is a valid point. It also encourages potential developments for SME firms that would trigger the SH clause to be avoided/less houses built on the plot. Instead, we are seeing care homes being built for the elderly.
brianashley said:
TLandCruiser said:
I've never lived on a council estate and luckily i have none around my current house...maybe if the field to the side gets built on one day, but I can't see it as there's no gas or sewage.
What I do see of council estates is that they are absoutle scum and no worse than some of the Roma gypsi social housing built in Slovakia etc. You do get some exceptions, but unfortunately it's just that, a few exceptions
Exactly . private money should not be forced to house people who cannot afford to live in them.What I do see of council estates is that they are absoutle scum and no worse than some of the Roma gypsi social housing built in Slovakia etc. You do get some exceptions, but unfortunately it's just that, a few exceptions
If we are going to continue to have a large gap between the 'haves and have nots' then we have to provide a minimum lifestyle for the lesser paid or there is a danger the workers will one day come with their pitchforks.
This thread is close to my own experience.
Bought our first house on a new-build estate, small-ish development of 100 houses with the cursory play area for small children, allocated (but limited) off-road parking and very small front gardens.
First year was really nice, grass / hedges were kept trim, weeds removed, bins taken in etc. All the sort of stuff which contributes to a nice environment.
Then the social housing became apparent - bins left out, gardens untidy, old performance cars with stupidly loud exhausts (Imprezas, 200SX etc.) that just HAD to be warmed up and cooled down for 10 minutes whenever going out and coming home (usually late).
Teenagers on the play area leaving rubbish and graffiti everywhere (despite the provision of bins!). The final straw was getting a phone call from my wife to let me know there was a crossbow bolt stuck through the kitchen window! The morons opposite us had been messing about and missed the fence they were aiming for.
Eventually we found a buyer but took a £10k hit to move. Worth. Every. Penny.
I honestly believe there is a philosophy in local councils that integrating lower classes into middle class areas will raise them up, in reality the majority of social tenants drag the entire estate down
Bought our first house on a new-build estate, small-ish development of 100 houses with the cursory play area for small children, allocated (but limited) off-road parking and very small front gardens.
First year was really nice, grass / hedges were kept trim, weeds removed, bins taken in etc. All the sort of stuff which contributes to a nice environment.
Then the social housing became apparent - bins left out, gardens untidy, old performance cars with stupidly loud exhausts (Imprezas, 200SX etc.) that just HAD to be warmed up and cooled down for 10 minutes whenever going out and coming home (usually late).
Teenagers on the play area leaving rubbish and graffiti everywhere (despite the provision of bins!). The final straw was getting a phone call from my wife to let me know there was a crossbow bolt stuck through the kitchen window! The morons opposite us had been messing about and missed the fence they were aiming for.
Eventually we found a buyer but took a £10k hit to move. Worth. Every. Penny.
I honestly believe there is a philosophy in local councils that integrating lower classes into middle class areas will raise them up, in reality the majority of social tenants drag the entire estate down
Pete102 said:
This thread is close to my own experience.
Bought our first house on a new-build estate, small-ish development of 100 houses with the cursory play area for small children, allocated (but limited) off-road parking and very small front gardens.
First year was really nice, grass / hedges were kept trim, weeds removed, bins taken in etc. All the sort of stuff which contributes to a nice environment.
Then the social housing became apparent - bins left out, gardens untidy, old performance cars with stupidly loud exhausts (Imprezas, 200SX etc.) that just HAD to be warmed up and cooled down for 10 minutes whenever going out and coming home (usually late).
Teenagers on the play area leaving rubbish and graffiti everywhere (despite the provision of bins!). The final straw was getting a phone call from my wife to let me know there was a crossbow bolt stuck through the kitchen window! The morons opposite us had been messing about and missed the fence they were aiming for.
Eventually we found a buyer but took a £10k hit to move. Worth. Every. Penny.
I honestly believe there is a philosophy in local councils that integrating lower classes into middle class areas will raise them up, in reality the majority of social tenants drag the entire estate down
Exactly oil and water do not mix no matter how you shake it ! Bought our first house on a new-build estate, small-ish development of 100 houses with the cursory play area for small children, allocated (but limited) off-road parking and very small front gardens.
First year was really nice, grass / hedges were kept trim, weeds removed, bins taken in etc. All the sort of stuff which contributes to a nice environment.
Then the social housing became apparent - bins left out, gardens untidy, old performance cars with stupidly loud exhausts (Imprezas, 200SX etc.) that just HAD to be warmed up and cooled down for 10 minutes whenever going out and coming home (usually late).
Teenagers on the play area leaving rubbish and graffiti everywhere (despite the provision of bins!). The final straw was getting a phone call from my wife to let me know there was a crossbow bolt stuck through the kitchen window! The morons opposite us had been messing about and missed the fence they were aiming for.
Eventually we found a buyer but took a £10k hit to move. Worth. Every. Penny.
I honestly believe there is a philosophy in local councils that integrating lower classes into middle class areas will raise them up, in reality the majority of social tenants drag the entire estate down
Fittster said:
brianashley said:
why would anyone want to live with council/social housing people. if they cannot work etc. they need to live in basic housing away from people who are working hard . Homes should be built for those that can afford them . If the government want to house people , let them build places . good people need clean quiet places to live
Where should people who don't work hard live? WindyCommon said:
MitchT said:
Bingley, West Yorks. Here's some sold prices from Rightmove. Ouch!
I wonder how many of those were bought as BTL's..?http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detail.htm...
I forgot to mention the part-time car dismantler who bought a trailer, loaded a car onto it and left it in the parking area ours and many others houses looked out onto!.
As the trailer was in good condition and secured appropriately, there wasn't anything the council, could do about it. Still, nice to have a part dismantled car to look at every day.
As the trailer was in good condition and secured appropriately, there wasn't anything the council, could do about it. Still, nice to have a part dismantled car to look at every day.
Im in the process of buying in a new build estate, Its around 7-10 years old now with our particular house being 5 years old. I have driven passed it multiple times at various points of the day/week and its always quiet with no sign of aforementioned oik's.
Is there any way to find out which houses on the estate are HA ? Thankfully our house is at the end of the cul-de-sac and our only neighbour is an old boy who lives abroad for 8 months of the year which is even better.
Is there any way to find out which houses on the estate are HA ? Thankfully our house is at the end of the cul-de-sac and our only neighbour is an old boy who lives abroad for 8 months of the year which is even better.
fastbikes76 said:
Im in the process of buying in a new build estate, Its around 7-10 years old now with our particular house being 5 years old. I have driven passed it multiple times at various points of the day/week and its always quiet with no sign of aforementioned oik's.
Is there any way to find out which houses on the estate are HA ? Thankfully our house is at the end of the cul-de-sac and our only neighbour is an old boy who lives abroad for 8 months of the year which is even better.
My experiences walking around a couple of developments today about .2km from where I am in the city;Is there any way to find out which houses on the estate are HA ? Thankfully our house is at the end of the cul-de-sac and our only neighbour is an old boy who lives abroad for 8 months of the year which is even better.
- Look at the gardens - unkempt or with multiple bikes rubbish in them, you have your answer and....
- Windows. Blankets or old nets/ broken panes/smears/ broken blinds, you have your answer.
I should have taken pix to back up my allegations but thought better of it incase I got someone angry come out
As for discovering who owns what, additionally:
- the local council should have a page listing HA locations and what's coming up to bid to rent for.
- Also, HA's frequently have their sign up by their developments.
- DONT (HA or otherwise) ever buy opposite a kid's park - the two i saw today had litter, graffiti strewn in them - abeam the HA section
- Check police crime in the neighbourhood online. For example, one HA development i saw today comes up with crimes I cross referenced in google over the last 2 years to discover one was a murder and another was a drug dealing gang member that got sent down.
fastbikes76 said:
Im in the process of buying in a new build estate, Its around 7-10 years old now with our particular house being 5 years old. I have driven passed it multiple times at various points of the day/week and its always quiet with no sign of aforementioned oik's.
Is there any way to find out which houses on the estate are HA ? Thankfully our house is at the end of the cul-de-sac and our only neighbour is an old boy who lives abroad for 8 months of the year which is even better.
walk past different times of the day and night, sit in the car for 2x half days and Saturday. Perhaps Don't buy a house on an Estate?Is there any way to find out which houses on the estate are HA ? Thankfully our house is at the end of the cul-de-sac and our only neighbour is an old boy who lives abroad for 8 months of the year which is even better.
I did all of the above when buying my first home. . Sussed out all of our immediate neighbours.
fastbikes76 said:
Im in the process of buying in a new build estate, Its around 7-10 years old now with our particular house being 5 years old. I have driven passed it multiple times at various points of the day/week and its always quiet with no sign of aforementioned oik's.
Is there any way to find out which houses on the estate are HA ? Thankfully our house is at the end of the cul-de-sac and our only neighbour is an old boy who lives abroad for 8 months of the year which is even better.
Worth visiting this website, check for anti social behaviourIs there any way to find out which houses on the estate are HA ? Thankfully our house is at the end of the cul-de-sac and our only neighbour is an old boy who lives abroad for 8 months of the year which is even better.
It's not just new builds you have to worry about it's HMO's as well.
Met up with a mate from school recently and ended up walking down roads I hadn't been down in about 20 years, back then that was the posh area as all the houses were large so you needed to well off to afford to live there but as I walked down I noticed the whole area had changed and it seemed every house was now four or five flats with rubbish strewn everywhere where as further along the terraced and 3 bed semi's still looked nice and well maintained.
This article (even though it's dailymail) sums it up pretty well http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4464278/Gr...
Met up with a mate from school recently and ended up walking down roads I hadn't been down in about 20 years, back then that was the posh area as all the houses were large so you needed to well off to afford to live there but as I walked down I noticed the whole area had changed and it seemed every house was now four or five flats with rubbish strewn everywhere where as further along the terraced and 3 bed semi's still looked nice and well maintained.
This article (even though it's dailymail) sums it up pretty well http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4464278/Gr...
untakenname said:
It's not just new builds you have to worry about it's HMO's as well.
Met up with a mate from school recently and ended up walking down roads I hadn't been down in about 20 years, back then that was the posh area as all the houses were large so you needed to well off to afford to live there but as I walked down I noticed the whole area had changed and it seemed every house was now four or five flats with rubbish strewn everywhere where as further along the terraced and 3 bed semi's still looked nice and well maintained.
This article (even though it's dailymail) sums it up pretty well http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4464278/Gr...
O/T, but Strange how things move in cycles, my parents talk of bedsits in hampstead and notting hill in their youth which were scummy areas. Met up with a mate from school recently and ended up walking down roads I hadn't been down in about 20 years, back then that was the posh area as all the houses were large so you needed to well off to afford to live there but as I walked down I noticed the whole area had changed and it seemed every house was now four or five flats with rubbish strewn everywhere where as further along the terraced and 3 bed semi's still looked nice and well maintained.
This article (even though it's dailymail) sums it up pretty well http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4464278/Gr...
I've lived on a new housing estate with social housing. Initially I didn't think too much into it but over the past 2 years I can't wait to get the hell out of here. My neighbour (privately bought) put their house on the market 4 months ago (like many private owners) and just can't sell which scares the sh** out of me. Here are some things I have to put up with:
- Endless cigarette buds, beer cans, crisp packets, dog sh** and gum on my front lawn (I live down a cul-de-sac)
- Young kids who can barely walk left to run around on the roads on their own yet the drivers speed like crazy with their drum and bass on full volume
- Endless aggressive gazes whenever I step outside. People can tell I bought my house privately. When I first moved in I used to say "hello" to everyone as I walked by my neighbourhood but now I dont even bother as I was just confronted by disgusted looks
- Feral gangs of teenagers spraying dicks on front doors late at night of families with young children
- Incessant barking of massive, overly aggressive dogs
- Single mothers with 5-6 kids (who you can tell had different fathers) spit on the pavement infront of you as you walk by. Never seen one without a cigarette in their mouth. God help those poor children and their lungs
- Wheelspinning motorcyclists at 2am whilst their girlfriends cheer them on
- Waking up to teenagers shouting swear words on your road in the early hours on a saturday morning when you have guests visiting
- Knowing that I will undoubtedly struggle to sell my house at the same price I bought it and that if I'd bought in a private area I would be more financially secure and generally happier. No way in HELL would I ever consider raising children in this environment.
Look, I'm all for helping the poorest and most vulnerable in society and I do not advocate demonising anyone who is on benefits or lives in social housing but these are just my experiences. However it is the attitude and behaviours of these people which are the issue here. People these days manipulate the system, lie and cheat in order to have access to certain privileges most people work their whole lives to have. The same people who do this are typically bad parents, bad neighbours, bad citizens and over time the communities they spawn into turn to sh**. Just look at Milton Keynes.
- Endless cigarette buds, beer cans, crisp packets, dog sh** and gum on my front lawn (I live down a cul-de-sac)
- Young kids who can barely walk left to run around on the roads on their own yet the drivers speed like crazy with their drum and bass on full volume
- Endless aggressive gazes whenever I step outside. People can tell I bought my house privately. When I first moved in I used to say "hello" to everyone as I walked by my neighbourhood but now I dont even bother as I was just confronted by disgusted looks
- Feral gangs of teenagers spraying dicks on front doors late at night of families with young children
- Incessant barking of massive, overly aggressive dogs
- Single mothers with 5-6 kids (who you can tell had different fathers) spit on the pavement infront of you as you walk by. Never seen one without a cigarette in their mouth. God help those poor children and their lungs
- Wheelspinning motorcyclists at 2am whilst their girlfriends cheer them on
- Waking up to teenagers shouting swear words on your road in the early hours on a saturday morning when you have guests visiting
- Knowing that I will undoubtedly struggle to sell my house at the same price I bought it and that if I'd bought in a private area I would be more financially secure and generally happier. No way in HELL would I ever consider raising children in this environment.
Look, I'm all for helping the poorest and most vulnerable in society and I do not advocate demonising anyone who is on benefits or lives in social housing but these are just my experiences. However it is the attitude and behaviours of these people which are the issue here. People these days manipulate the system, lie and cheat in order to have access to certain privileges most people work their whole lives to have. The same people who do this are typically bad parents, bad neighbours, bad citizens and over time the communities they spawn into turn to sh**. Just look at Milton Keynes.
With you on that fella I'm in the same boat. Doesn't sound quite as bad as yours touch wood lol, but the feral kids wandering in the road and parents not even watching them, I'm literally talking just old enough to walk as well and they let them out all hours.
My next door neighbours are nice enough to talk to but their f
king kids don't have set bed times, so they can be running round the house on the lovely laminate flooring which echoes like fk at all times.
Drives me fking mad, next house has to be detached, decent parking, and a garage. Had a fking titfull with some of these fkers, especially when I worked hard to afford my house and theirs are handed to them.
As you said, all for helping the most needy, but when these are just lazy fkers milking the state, it drives me nuts. There is no way anyone on benefits should have a far better standard of living than a full time worker, end of.
Example being my sister, she lives on her own, works full time, can't afford broadband and sky etc, yet everyone round here that doesn't work, has the lot! It's fking wrong and boils my piss.
My next door neighbours are nice enough to talk to but their f
king kids don't have set bed times, so they can be running round the house on the lovely laminate flooring which echoes like fk at all times.Drives me f
king mad, next house has to be detached, decent parking, and a garage. Had a fking titfull with some of these fkers, especially when I worked hard to afford my house and theirs are handed to them.As you said, all for helping the most needy, but when these are just lazy f
kers milking the state, it drives me nuts. There is no way anyone on benefits should have a far better standard of living than a full time worker, end of.Example being my sister, she lives on her own, works full time, can't afford broadband and sky etc, yet everyone round here that doesn't work, has the lot! It's f
king wrong and boils my piss.I grew up on a council estate and everyone worked, all the gardens were tidy and everyone knew each other. When I was 20 I bought my own place but when I would go back and visit my parents, I noticed how things started changing for the worse. The pensioners that were there sadly died and they were replaced with kids who had kids. Now not all the new tenants were bad but a lot of them were. The kids had a new stepdad for a night or a weekend or even a month. The nice gardens started having the front hedges removed and were now used as car parks. The noise increased with the nice new tenants having domestics on the street, and the place just became rough.
One of the differences was that if any of us kids were caught up to no good, the neighbours would give us a clip around the ear and take us home, and get thanked by the parents where we would get another clip around the ear. Now you can't say boo to the kids and don't they know it, and most of the parents would give you a mouthful if you took them home.
One of the differences was that if any of us kids were caught up to no good, the neighbours would give us a clip around the ear and take us home, and get thanked by the parents where we would get another clip around the ear. Now you can't say boo to the kids and don't they know it, and most of the parents would give you a mouthful if you took them home.
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