Renovation and wifi vs cat

[KamSandhu44]

WinstonWolf said:

"Ducting"

Also wish I had done that.

[Andehh]

I would 100% advise CAT6 installed with a common sense approach to it. Yes to achieve the technical limits of the cable you need to be rigidly careful with the installation principles, but having installed it across a dozen or so runs, with a 'sensible but not critical' approach taken to how & where I route it I am yet to see ANY problems with it for HDMi over singe CAT6 running.

The single fact that cat5e cannot run HDMI over a single cable without spending £100+s means I would always always advise to run CAT6 instead of cat5e.

[Andehh]

Also to add, whatever you do run... RUN DOUBLE! spares & future proofing, just do it.

Even though I did, I keep finding ways of using them & running into the ''dammit, why didn't I run an extra one''.

[pmanson]

If it doesn't move cable for it (so TV, BluRay, Sky, music systems, printers etc), couple of spare points in each room for 'future' devices (eg. your fridge)

Cable for a couple of POE Access Points (say one on each floor) - i need to do this as my sky wireless coverage is frankly useless

I'd also considering putting in cable for CCTV (again cat5e/6) as a future requirement.


Doing this should mean less noise/congestion for the devices that you can only use on wifi (tablets/phones etc)

[Alucidnation]

I installed fibre in my place.

[Toltec]

I'm going to use cat6 in our new build, there will not be any runs over 50m so the additional cost of 6A is not really warranted. If you want a bit more future proofing then you could run 6A, but fit 6 modules to save some money, these can then be upgraded to 6A as and where necessary. Come to think of it you could terminate mainly on 5e, except where you know you need something better for HDMI transmission etc.

[Steve_W]

Interesting post OP.

I'm thinking of adding some network cables in our place too. It's a whole new world to me.

First question to those saying "fit decent make cables" - can you recommend some good makes?

I presume there isn't anything better than copper core?

[KamSandhu44]

Steve_W said:

Interesting post OP.

I'm thinking of adding some network cables in our place too. It's a whole new world to me.

First question to those saying "fit decent make cables" - can you recommend some good makes?

I presume there isn't anything better than copper core?

Solid Core CAT6 UTP should be fine, stay away from CCA. No need to spend a stupid amount. Try cablemonkey.

[Andehh]

Alucidnation said:

I installed fibre in my place.

Why do you honestly bother posting here? The vast majority of your posts offer nothing, you are an irrelevance boarding on troll, in what is an otherwise fantastically helpful sub-forum.

[Andehh]

KamSandhu44 said:

Steve_W said:

Interesting post OP.

I'm thinking of adding some network cables in our place too. It's a whole new world to me.

First question to those saying "fit decent make cables" - can you recommend some good makes?

I presume there isn't anything better than copper core?

Solid Core CAT6 UTP should be fine, stay away from CCA. No need to spend a stupid amount. Try cablemonkey.

I have used Blackbox a few times, without issue. Avoid anything from Ebay, Amazon, generic sellers etc.

Ensure you buy a few different colours (as many as you can), I didn't & instantly regretted it once started.

https://www.blackbox.co.uk/gb-gb/1235/CAT6

[KamSandhu44]

Andehh said:

I have used Blackbox a few times, without issue. Avoid anything from Ebay, Amazon, generic sellers etc.

Ensure you buy a few different colours (as many as you can), I didn't & instantly regretted it once started.

https://www.blackbox.co.uk/gb-gb/1235/CAT6

Yes, and label everything as well. Spent many hours with a cable tester tracing cables.

[Toltec]

KamSandhu44 said:

Yes, and label everything as well. Spent many hours with a cable tester tracing cables.

We use these, software is a free download and really good at producing multicount sequences easily. For example, Room01-Point1A to Room10-Point2B will create a sequence of forty labels or eighty if you tell it to print two copies.

https://www.mayflex.com/product/221-004/self-lamin...

Will be available elsewhere no doubt.

[jesta1865]

randlemarcus said:

Might be worth looking at the Ubiquiti inwall APs that they do for hotels and the like if each room is a Faraday cage, but set them all to the same SSID, and hope your device do proper handoffs. inwall.ubnt.com

I've found the Ubiquiti POE switches excellent especially if you use the Unifi stuff. Stick one of their USG devices at the internet edge, and you can control everything behind the router from one place.

personally never used the Ubiquiti stuff myself but after reading this, I would stear clear.

http://www.citronresearch.com/citron-exposes-ubiqu...

sorry off topic.

[gavsdavs]

>>Renovation and wifi vs cat

I'm so disappointed. I was expecting a series of comedy photographs or even videos of cat attacking a wireless access point. Or wearing an aluminium foil hat because of *dangerous* wifi signals.

OP - Always Be Cabling. Only revert to wifi when you have no alternative.

[WinstonWolf]

KamSandhu44 said:

Andehh said:

I have used Blackbox a few times, without issue. Avoid anything from Ebay, Amazon, generic sellers etc.

Ensure you buy a few different colours (as many as you can), I didn't & instantly regretted it once started.

https://www.blackbox.co.uk/gb-gb/1235/CAT6

Yes, and label everything as well. Spent many hours with a cable tester tracing cables.

Cut 'notches and bars' into the end (offcut) of each cable, makes tracing them a doddle. Labels come off/get smudged.

Basically Roman numerals. A 1 is a straight on cut, a V is a sideways cut. I'll add a pic if I can find one.

[mikeiow]

gavsdavs said:

>>Renovation and wifi vs cat

I'm so disappointed. I was expecting a series of comedy photographs or even videos of cat attacking a wireless access point. Or wearing an aluminium foil hat because of *dangerous* wifi signals.

OP - Always Be Cabling. Only revert to wifi when you have no alternative.

I get that for devices like TVs.....but surely most consumers in the home are on wireless laptops, tablets, phones?
Not that I have cabled our place, mostly because...well, we all have wireless devices!!

[gavsdavs]

mikeiow said:

gavsdavs said:

>>Renovation and wifi vs cat

I'm so disappointed. I was expecting a series of comedy photographs or even videos of cat attacking a wireless access point. Or wearing an aluminium foil hat because of *dangerous* wifi signals.

OP - Always Be Cabling. Only revert to wifi when you have no alternative.

I get that for devices like TVs.....but surely most consumers in the home are on wireless laptops, tablets, phones?
Not that I have cabled our place, mostly because...well, we all have wireless devices!!

Of course, we have lots of wireless devices - but if you have the chance to get a cable in place, do so
You can always stick a wi-fi endpoint on the end of it if you want.

[Hayek]

WinstonWolf said:

KamSandhu44 said:

Andehh said:

I have used Blackbox a few times, without issue. Avoid anything from Ebay, Amazon, generic sellers etc.

Ensure you buy a few different colours (as many as you can), I didn't & instantly regretted it once started.

https://www.blackbox.co.uk/gb-gb/1235/CAT6

Yes, and label everything as well. Spent many hours with a cable tester tracing cables.

Cut 'notches and bars' into the end (offcut) of each cable, makes tracing them a doddle. Labels come off/get smudged.

Basically Roman numerals. A 1 is a straight on cut, a V is a sideways cut. I'll add a pic if I can find one.

I've been doing my house while I have the walls chased out from new central heating and have just been marking cable with a permanent marker at each end. ||||| etc

[Herbs]

Hayek said:

WinstonWolf said:

KamSandhu44 said:

Andehh said:

I have used Blackbox a few times, without issue. Avoid anything from Ebay, Amazon, generic sellers etc.

Ensure you buy a few different colours (as many as you can), I didn't & instantly regretted it once started.

https://www.blackbox.co.uk/gb-gb/1235/CAT6

Yes, and label everything as well. Spent many hours with a cable tester tracing cables.

Cut 'notches and bars' into the end (offcut) of each cable, makes tracing them a doddle. Labels come off/get smudged.

Basically Roman numerals. A 1 is a straight on cut, a V is a sideways cut. I'll add a pic if I can find one.

I've been doing my house while I have the walls chased out from new central heating and have just been marking cable with a permanent marker at each end. ||||| etc

When I did my previous place with cat 6. I was running 4 cables to each area so bought 4 boxes and labelled them 1-4 on the boxes and a sharpie on the end of each run. Once cut , they were taped together and labelled by room (1-4). Very easy to patch in and didn't have to trace a single one.

Had the added benefit of only having to pull through the cables once as did them all together.

[gavsdavs]

Alucidnation said:

Andehh said:

Alucidnation said:

I installed fibre in my place.

Why do you honestly bother posting here? The vast majority of your posts offer nothing, you are an irrelevance boarding on troll, in what is an otherwise fantastically helpful sub-forum.

Sshhh, the grown ups are talking.

He's right you know, installing fibre at home is quite stupid. It's rather too fragile to live in the home environment due to bend radius and all that physical limitation rubbish and that not many home devices like tellies and computers come with fibre connectors and you HAVE to transform it back down to RJ-45 in almost all cases for everywhere except the switch.

Quite difficult to clip off the end and put another connector on isn't it ?

Pretty poor attempt at patronising someone too