Plug Melted - Potential causes?
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RayTay said:
ruggedscotty said:
So the Germans who like wago... like arc fault detection... I have seen waygo and I dont trust it to traditional wiring in the UK. If a proper electrical termination is made then it will give years of service..
You really should get up to speed on this. It is not 1985 any longer. Wagos (I use Wago as a general name for these connectors), have been around for decades. This reluctance to adopt superior methods and equipment keeps the UK back. I was in a TLC outlet a few days ago. The guy behind the counter said they now sell an amazing amount of Wagos, with choc bar connector strip sales dropping off substantially.
ruggedscotty said:
far from superior - it may be your opinion that it is. but across the industry its not. choc bar connector ? hope your not using that !
You have been told what Wagos do, but little has sunk in. A constant torque, the wire does not work loose because of expansion and contraction, super easy to fit. Easily demountable, small, brilliant for 1st fix with testing easily undertaken, etc, etc. scottyp123 said:
To be fair, I like wagos and use them all the time but I also use screw terminal accesories all the time as well and I've come across just as many bad wago joints done by others as I have loose terminals, usually its where they are shoved up into the ceiling above a light fitting or in lofts where someone has replaced a central light with downlights and the wagos just sit there without any sort of enclosure round them, Others I've seen where the copper is too short and its ended up jamming on the insulation instead so its just as easy to make a bad wago joint as it it with a screwed one.
I am sure teh Wago connection was sound. Not putting them into appropriate enclosure is not the Wago's fault. Look at the lighting versions of Wago. Or better still use a QuickWire.On a power circuit Wagos are the only way to go for longevity in safety. From an istallation point, they save a day at least in time.
scottyp123 said:
Yes but that was a fitting problem and not a product problem, its obviously never been tightened down since the day it was fitted.
With push fit or lever connectors, the human error is eliminated. To the vid, it was not determined of it the wire was not tightened up properly.
RayTay said:
ou have been told what Wagos do, but little has sunk in. A constant torque, the wire does not work loose because of expansion and contraction, super easy to fit. Easily demountable, small, brilliant for 1st fix with testing easily undertaken, etc, etc.
Wagos don't apply any torque. Unlike you in your mate's house with five different calibrated screwdrivers. RayTay said:
ou have been told what Wagos do, but little has sunk in. A constant torque, the wire does not work loose because of expansion and contraction, super easy to fit. Easily demountable, small, brilliant for 1st fix with testing easily undertaken, etc, etc.
Actually, I suppose "zero" is a torque figure. Also screw terminals don't work loose because of expansion and contraction - the screw and the terminal are made from the same material, brass. Can you stop skipping the hard questions and actually answer them?Rehab chic said:
RayTay said:
ou have been told what Wagos do, but little has sunk in. A constant torque, the wire does not work loose because of expansion and contraction, super easy to fit. Easily demountable, small, brilliant for 1st fix with testing easily undertaken, etc, etc.
Actually, I suppose "zero" is a torque figure. Also screw terminals don't work loose because of expansion and contraction - the screw and the terminal are made from the same material, brass. Can you stop skipping the hard questions and actually answer them?1. hes trolling
2. hes not a spark
3. hes the UK distributor for the connectors he seem to be promoting...
Wait till your doing your inspection and testing and checking your R1 and R2's.... lest just say those fandabbydozy connectors are far from...
Something for all the pro electricians to think about:
In typical engineering, when torquing a screw or bolt or similar fixing, the initial torque is applied. Then after a 'period of time', the torque should be checked and re-tightened.
How many professional electricians on a domestic job come back are check the screw terminals after completing the job?
In typical engineering, when torquing a screw or bolt or similar fixing, the initial torque is applied. Then after a 'period of time', the torque should be checked and re-tightened.
How many professional electricians on a domestic job come back are check the screw terminals after completing the job?
dublove said:
Something for all the pro electricians to think about:
In typical engineering, when torquing a screw or bolt or similar fixing, the initial torque is applied. Then after a 'period of time', the torque should be checked and re-tightened.
How many professional electricians on a domestic job come back are check the screw terminals after completing the job?
That's for an exact torque, though - and normally only when the fixing is in tension - electrical screws are in compression. Think about cylinder head bolts - barely anyone ever checks them a second time, but they last fine.In typical engineering, when torquing a screw or bolt or similar fixing, the initial torque is applied. Then after a 'period of time', the torque should be checked and re-tightened.
How many professional electricians on a domestic job come back are check the screw terminals after completing the job?
dublove said:
Something for all the pro electricians to think about:
In typical engineering, when torquing a screw or bolt or similar fixing, the initial torque is applied. Then after a 'period of time', the torque should be checked and re-tightened.
How many professional electricians on a domestic job come back are check the screw terminals after completing the job?
None. Then the screws may work loose. Then arcing, then fire. In typical engineering, when torquing a screw or bolt or similar fixing, the initial torque is applied. Then after a 'period of time', the torque should be checked and re-tightened.
How many professional electricians on a domestic job come back are check the screw terminals after completing the job?
RayTay said:
one. Then the screws may work loose. Then arcing, then fire.
At this point of the thread I can't take anything seriously so here's a bit of levity."Screws Fall Out All the Time, the World's an Imperfect Place"
https://youtu.be/qlllvd_AMDw
RayTay said:
ou need to do some research.
Nope, you do. And demonstrate it. But this type of Wago requires the application of torque - https://www.wago.com/global/rail-mount-terminal-bl...The horror, a screw clamp connection in a wonderful German Wago!
ruggedscotty said:
he wont.
1. hes trolling
2. hes not a spark
3. hes the UK distributor for the connectors he seem to be promoting...
Wait till your doing your inspection and testing and checking your R1 and R2's.... lest just say those fandabbydozy connectors are far from...
What don't you understand about any of this? I can take you through simply. 1. hes trolling
2. hes not a spark
3. hes the UK distributor for the connectors he seem to be promoting...
Wait till your doing your inspection and testing and checking your R1 and R2's.... lest just say those fandabbydozy connectors are far from...
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