Scalpings and cement?

[Blackpuddin]

About to throw another three ton or so of scalpings on our unadopted bombsite of a lane. Previous attempts have been a bit useless but this time I'm trying proper Type 1 MOT scalpings which apparently are a lot better. I'll believe it when I see it ha ha.
We won't be Tarmacing over the scalpings as that's crazy money, so it will may just blow out again, but I'm wondering if there is any value in sprinkling some cement dust in there to try and hold it together a little better?

[foxoles]

Blackpuddin said:

Tarmacing over the scalpings as that's crazy money, so it will may just blow out again, but I'm wondering if there is any value in sprinkling some cement dust in there to try and hold it together a little better?

Been there, done that, no it doesn't work. Eventually bit the bullet and had it tarmaced.

[Jonny TVR]

foxoles said:

Been there, done that, no it doesn't work. Eventually bit the bullet and had it tarmaced.

I'm in a similar position. Can you share with me how much it costs per 100m?

[227bhp]

I was told to wait until a baking hot day, add a sprinkling of diesel to melt the tar and then compact.

[BertB]

When we did ours we used a tack/bond material from (I think colbond)

http://www.colasproducts.co.uk

We rolled the drums and then applied using a spray/watering system on the compacted/rolled scalpings.

It's not set as hard as I'd like - and is coming lose in the turning area - but it's not bad on the bit that's driven on.

As mentioned we did it on a really hot day and borrowed a very large steam roller type thing.

[tivver500]

Wait until the local council has got a contractor in to do some surface dressing (tar & chippings) and speak nicely to the foreman. They're usually ameanable to doing some 'extra paid work' and it would only take them an hour or so to do 100m. Amazing what you can get done for a roll of crisp twenties

[Blackpuddin]

Council was redoing the whole main road outside our lane recently and we got absolutely nowhere with the road crew when more than one of us asked the question about leftover materials, or indeed with the council when they were approached directly.
Do we not think that a smattering of cement dust, watered in, will have at least some bonding effect? We're having to do something quick (again) as our lovely binman driver announced last week that he won't be coming again. Ironic really as it's the huge bin lorry that has done most of the damage over time. And the council won't look at providing a smaller lorry.

[Blackpuddin]

Will be investing in more SLOW DOWN signs but that's more in hope than expectation. Stupid neighbours see a smoothed out lane as an opportunity to speed up, not slow down. And delivery van drivers go at the same speed irrespective of the road surface.

[Muncher]

I don't think the cement will have much effect, it will just make it powery and messy, it won't have any strength unless properly mixed with aggregate and water in the right quantities.

[foxoles]

Jonny TVR said:

foxoles said:

Been there, done that, no it doesn't work. Eventually bit the bullet and had it tarmaced.

I'm in a similar position. Can you share with me how much it costs per 100m?

Sure, this was back in 2010. Rough estimate of shared by 5 houses single'ish lane 100m x 3m (varying to 4m in places).

Scraped off level, reset any water/grids to new height. IIRC £1500 per house, so £7.5K.

Firm was K. Darlington & Son - somewhere Manchester way.

Hope that helps.

[Andehh]

You can get a 30tonne tipper lorry of MOT for a few £100, get that and a hired machine (not sure what to recommend?) and do the whole road in a few inches of MOT.

Speak to local farmers a well, one did my dad's large (ish) drive for £15/tonne of MOT then cheaper machine&man hire to smooth it out.

That'll probably be the best bang-for-buck for the medium term future!

[Blackpuddin]

i've got three 850kg bags coming to start with from Sydenhams, the going rate from them is £52 inc VAT per bag and I don't think they are particularly expensive. Where there's muck there's brass etc.

We're trying the MOT Type 1 stuff (as opposed to random scalpings) becaus a local farm uses it to stabilise the ground trodden on by bulls and they reckon it works pretty well. Not sure how it will stand up to an enthusiastically driven large SUV though.

We have done the whole lane more than once, and someone paid a 'travelling' outfit to resurface it for a few grand "with a 7 year guarantee" ha ha. Needless to say that was all gone within a month.

[Black_S3]

My advice would be don't do it. It doesn't last and just encourages people to say the road doesn't need resurfacing. We had a similar situation with some houses saying they didn't want to spend the money, one neigbour was constantly patching the holes out of his own pocket, he eventually got fed up and stopped patching the road - within 1 winter everyone was in agreement and we got the whole road done properly.

[Jonny TVR]

are we talking private lanes or public lanes. The narrow dead end public lane outside my house is terrible. The highways agency is never going to resurface it so was thinking of just doing it myself or rather get someone to tarmac it.

[Blackpuddin]

Black_S3 said:

My advice would be don't do it. It doesn't last and just encourages people to say the road doesn't need resurfacing. We had a similar situation with some houses saying they didn't want to spend the money, one neigbour was constantly patching the holes out of his own pocket, he eventually got fed up and stopped patching the road - within 1 winter everyone was in agreement and we got the whole road done properly.

I'm sure you're right there but sadly the neighbourly atmos in this lane is toxic.

[Blackpuddin]

Jonny TVR said:

are we talking private lanes or public lanes. The narrow dead end public lane outside my house is terrible. The highways agency is never going to resurface it so was thinking of just doing it myself or rather get someone to tarmac it.

Ours is an unadopted lane and the council won't even consider adopting it until 'we' (the residents) sort it. Which is an issue in itself as nobody actually owns the lane. It is a Public Footpath and I have been trying to engage with the council on that basis (it becomes impassable/dangerous to pedestrians after even moderate rain), but they are not biting.

[Black_S3]

Jonny TVR said:

are we talking private lanes or public lanes. The narrow dead end public lane outside my house is terrible. The highways agency is never going to resurface it so was thinking of just doing it myself or rather get someone to tarmac it.

The OP mentioned it's an unadopted road, so will be privately owned.

If yours is a public road the council should be maintaining it. Start here https://www.gov.uk/report-pothole and keep the pressure on till they do something. It's usually not too difficult as they are wary of the potential bills from a little old lady breaking her neck when she trips on a pothole that has been reported to them countless times.

[Jonny TVR]

Black_S3 said:

The OP mentioned it's an unadopted road, so will be privately owned.

If yours is a public road the council should be maintaining it. Start here https://www.gov.uk/report-pothole and keep the pressure on till they do something. It's usually not too difficult as they are wary of the potential bills from a little old lady breaking her neck when she trips on a pothole that has been reported to them countless times.

Yes been doing that for a year and sent emails

[Black_S3]

Jonny TVR said:

Yes been doing that for a year and sent emails

Been onto the local MP and all that? I dont think you should be getting a complete no from them? You should at least be getting told it's on the list of things to do?

[Blackpuddin]

Jonny TVR said:

Black_S3 said:

The OP mentioned it's an unadopted road, so will be privately owned.

If yours is a public road the council should be maintaining it. Start here https://www.gov.uk/report-pothole and keep the pressure on till they do something. It's usually not too difficult as they are wary of the potential bills from a little old lady breaking her neck when she trips on a pothole that has been reported to them countless times.

Yes been doing that for a year and sent emails

Funny isn't it. I've been reporting a fritzing streetlamp for literally years, they are very good at responding to that (albeit dozens of times as they don't seem able to effect a permanent fix) but my reports about the state of the Public Footpath meet with a stony silence despite it being just as valid and going through exactly the same reporting process. I expect it's because it's a bit harder.