Neighbour wanting a front extension, not pleased.

Neighbour wanting a front extension, not pleased.

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Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah

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5,938 posts

41 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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OK. Our terraced neighbour is wanting a front UPVC extention, the full width of his house. From what has been suggested about 2 metres deep. Whilst we've never liked the idea (it shall look crap in our opinion) we have never voiced this, as we've been of the mindset of 'it's his house'. Pictures of the two properties are below. Ours is the one on the left. Internally they are L shaped, narrow front/wide front, wide back/ narrow back, so from the drain pipe right all is his, up to the cream fence behind the BMW.

We've been of the thoughts that said extension shall presumably end between our front doors. No, he thinks differently. His words to me last night were 'my internal wall ends here, so to maximise my space I shall be extending to here'. Here being bang to the left of our slate house number sign. Out dog walking last night, looking at same examples of ours, we could see some replaced roofs, showing that he is correct in as much as that is where his house ends, and ours begins.

What our issue is is A) the way he laid it down as fact, that this is what is happening. We are very accommodating neighbours. For example, he has a monstrosity of a wooden workshop in his back garden, taking up literally two thirds of his garden. We know for a fact that it is about 3 foot taller than regs allow you to build. We've never complained, even though he built the thing without chatting to us, and we have to stare at the ruddy eyesore everytime we're in the garden (we're going to screen it when we get on with the garden)

And B) that it is such an inconsiderate proposal in our opinion. We shall walk out of our front door, to be faced with a plastic monstrosity literally 6 inches from our front door. It shall ruin our front aspect.

At this point I shall say that we have OK neighbourly relations with him and his wife. We stop to chat, we ask after each other, even though to some extent we tolerate him, as he's pretty bombastic.

We're not sure how to broach it with him. We've decided that when the time comes it is better that S speaks with him. He's the sort of bloke who I could lose my cool with, she won't.

The other point to mention that in our deeds the front of the terrace is deemed to be communal. It's not treated as such, but we do share the front gate. I would imagine that ultimately if he insists that he is going to build up to that line we can pull the 'sorry, it's communal, we're not going to allow you to do that' line, but for the sake of relations that is the very last step to take.

Are there any regulations stating how close to our property he is allowed to extend to, does the fact that the front is communal carry weight?

Had he progressed to crack on and extend at a point half way between our houses - IE at the point of the waste pipe - we wouldn't be delighted, but 'his house' and all that. His exact words yesterday were 'I obviously want to maximise my square inches', yeah, and presumably in his head 'and yeah, and to fk with you'

TLDR: Neighbour wants to put large extension on his house, we think he's being inconsiderate.





Edited by Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah on Tuesday 27th March 12:58


Edited by Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah on Tuesday 27th March 12:59

desolate

17,690 posts

169 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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If the front terrace is communal he can't build there.

It is neither unneighbourly nor unreasonable of you to remind him of that.

NewNameNeeded

2,280 posts

166 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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desolate said:
If the front terrace is communal he can't build there.

It is neither unneighbourly nor unreasonable of you to remind him of that.
You could even spin it in a very neighbourly way - after all you'd hate for him to go out and buy materials for the job if it isn't permitted ...

kiethton

10,752 posts

121 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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desolate said:
If the front terrace is communal he can't build there.

It is neither unneighbourly nor unreasonable of you to remind him of that.
This, and object in writing to the planning application as such

BRISTOL86

1,092 posts

46 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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NewNameNeeded said:
You could even spin it in a very neighbourly way - after all you'd hate for him to go out and buy materials for the job if it isn't permitted ...
Screw that. Point it out when - and only when - he’s bought it all!
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Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah

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5,938 posts

41 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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Probably half the village have built some sort of UPVC extension to their fronts, but more porches than this. If he digs his feet in which I can see him doing we SHALL veto it with this, but it shall likely fk up relations. Sarah will do the talking as he's meeker with her, and she's a gentle soul. IE if he bullied her I'd have him, doubt he would though, he'd try to me.

Looking for how to broach this, other angles, and how to not make things difficult for ourselves. Until now we've rubbed along fairly nicely.

Edited by Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah on Tuesday 27th March 13:15

85Carrera

1,819 posts

178 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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kiethton said:
desolate said:
If the front terrace is communal he can't build there.

It is neither unneighbourly nor unreasonable of you to remind him of that.
This, and object in writing to the planning application as such
That is not a planning consideration, it's a title issue.

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah

Original Poster:

5,938 posts

41 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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kiethton said:
desolate said:
If the front terrace is communal he can't build there.

It is neither unneighbourly nor unreasonable of you to remind him of that.
This, and object in writing to the planning application as such
I understand that planning for this size of extension isn't required. The communal element is a different matter.

desolate

17,690 posts

169 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
I understand that planning for this size of extension isn't required. The communal element is a different matter.
The communal element is all that matters. They cannot legally build on it without the express consent of all those who have access to the terrace.


edit: seeking to build on an area of communal access isin no way neighbourly. It is not you causing the conflict.

Ask him how he would feel if you stopped him walking through the gate in front of your house.



Edited by desolate on Tuesday 27th March 13:23

ReverendCounter

3,521 posts

117 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
... IE if he bullied her I'd have him, doubt he would though, he'd try to me... / / and how to not make things difficult for ourselves. Until now we've rubbed along fairly nicely.
I know you're pissed off but try to keep on biting your tongue - do this the right way - once you start to feel that an inconsiderate tt is going unpunished it could lead to retaliatory behaviour against each other, and the loss of enjoyment of your home, and feelings that he's trying to drive you out etc etc etc.

It will only escalate - neighbours from hell are a true waking nightmare.

Incidentally, would you be prepared to sell your home to them - you get rid, he gets an even bigger extension?

Edited by ReverendCounter on Tuesday 27th March 13:27

Wacky Racer

30,934 posts

188 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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A) It's going to look st.

B) I thought you were not allowed to build anything on the front of your house?...(Other than a small porch etc)....Might be wrong though.

C) It will look crap in UPVC, at least hardwood would be better.

D) Don't let him walk all over you.

thebraketester

7,408 posts

79 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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I thought because its on the front it would require planning? Agreed that its gonna look ste.

FiF

34,863 posts

192 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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Where is the permitted building line? Should show it on the papers when you bought the place. Any extension must NOT go beyond that line.

Also page 1 para 3
https://ecab.planningportal.co.uk/uploads/miniguid...



CoolHands

9,418 posts

136 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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a) won’t it look really weird?
b) why is your front door floating

mk1fan

9,443 posts

166 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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Will it require Planning? Probably. The building line, size and materials would most likely dictate it is required.

Assuming they submit for Planning then they will have to show ownership of the land on the location plan. If they don't own the land in front of the houses - lets say it has it's own title and you have rights of way over it - then this needs to be shown in the plan.

If it is not shown then mention this as part of your objection.

Scaling, materials etc... could be points for objection you'd need to read the local development plan / advice for household applicants.

Bare in mind that valid objections are based on Planning Law. You not liking the appearance is not a valid objection.

As for their right to use the land, well that's a Civil matter not a Planning issue.

Flibble

4,699 posts

122 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
I understand that planning for this size of extension isn't required. The communal element is a different matter.
It 100% needs planning as it's on the front of the building. There is no permitted development at the front regardless of size.

B17NNS

18,225 posts

188 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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He's clearly not concerned about aesthetics judging by the hoofing great concrete lintel he's put above his new door (leaving the old one in place too).

It's going to look st and spoil your house.

Hope you manage to stop this without it damaging your relationship with him. You're between a rock and a hard place frown

B17NNS

18,225 posts

188 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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Flibble said:
It 100% needs planning as it's on the front of the building. There is no permitted development at the front regardless of size.
https://ecab.planningportal.co.uk/uploads/miniguides/porches/porches.pdf

Erection of a porch
Adding a porch to any external door of your house is considered to be permitted development, not requiring an application for planning permission, provided the following limits and conditions are met:
1. Ground area of the porch, measured externally, not to exceed three square metres.
2. Highest part of the porch not to exceed three metres.
3. No part of the porch to be within two metres of any boundary that fronts a highway.

Flibble

4,699 posts

122 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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B17NNS said:
https://ecab.planningportal.co.uk/uploads/miniguid...

Erection of a porch
Adding a porch to any external door of your house is considered to be permitted development, not requiring an application for planning permission, provided the following limits and conditions are met:
1. Ground area of the porch, measured externally, not to exceed three square metres.
2. Highest part of the porch not to exceed three metres.
3. No part of the porch to be within two metres of any boundary that fronts a highway.
Interesting, I did not know that!
However a 2m x full width would definitely be over 3 metres square.

B17NNS said:
He's clearly not concerned about aesthetics judging by the hoofing great concrete lintel he's put above his new door (leaving the old one in place too).
Crikey, you're not wrong, that is horrific.

Edited by Flibble on Tuesday 27th March 14:09

FiF

34,863 posts

192 months

Tuesday 27th March 2018
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Based on OP description it's not going to be a porch, so not permitted development imo.

I'd be sounding out the planning office frankly. Better than him building it then the later argument about retrospective approval and when it's turned down then getting it demolished.
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