Open plan on deeds..... fence erecting?

[Welshbeef]

M12MTR said:

Thanks Welshbeef but I think he's far to bitter to accept the olive branch.

I would let bygones be bygones but it's past that now :-(

Anything is recoverable - unless he has put his Rodger in Mrs M12MTR without consent

[Hitch]

I don't get it. Your neighbour seems to have built a nice new fence down the boundary line as part of a broader scheme of home improvement. Now you've built a raft. What's the issue?

Also, what's Colin's obsession with your bins about?

[MrTinkerer]

I can see both sides to this. But old retired neighbours can become a lae to themselves.

I would not rise to it what he has put in looks smart from his side and if on the boundary i would mirror the same on your side that will keep him quiet. Just dig in your own posts in the gap between his an attach you face side to these not his then no criminal damage to his property. And a nice look from both sides. Job done and you can move on.

I always think boundary fences are the best thing between neighbours then you can step on each others toes.

[shouldbworking]

Anyone else thinking all this needed was for the op to have widened their drive in the first place rather than relying on using the neighbours land to get out their car?

[Welshbeef]

M12MTR said:

Yep. That's what I'm doing. This short section is phase 1 to allow a structure for me to connect double wooden gates of 5ft high (phase 2). These gates will be flush with the front of the house (hence the reason for this short section of fence to bring 'my' fence level to the front of my dwelling).
Then a 1m high fence - a nice panel effect - running parallel along full length of my drive to hide his fence from my view (this is phase 3).
Finally phase 4: widen my drive to be double width.

This will improve the frontage of my property and give some security with the gates.

Just so I’m sure here you are going to put up a fence back to back with his and the nice side of that defence facing you? The Berlin Wall springs to mind - double fences wtf.

[Welshbeef]

M12MTR said:

Yep. Exactly that.

And yes I used that Berlin Wall jest with him when he built the 8m long driveway fence.

What's good for the goose......

You’ve money to burn.... a decent fence could easily be £2k then add in that gate another £1.5-2k

Why not buy a better car?

[Welshbeef]

M12MTR said:

Nope. This wouldn't have stopped him doing what he has IMO.

He stated he did this to "stop me" ..... meaning me using / getting my car out of my garage - my garage is detached and behind both houses - with the drive part running parallel to his house.

Me widening my drive wouldn't have had his desired effect to pi55 me off.

Like I've said: he's a bully. Simples.

So you cannot now drive a modern car past the house to the rear garage?

I have to ask why is that his issue? He wants a nice fence he has one and built it on his land.

Solution buy a nice classic car which doesn’t have the girth of modern cars win as a petrol head and win as a nice neighbour

[PositronicRay]

M12MTR said:

Welshbeef said:

So you cannot now drive a modern car past the house to the rear garage?
Solution buy a nice classic car which doesn’t have the girth of modern cars

Yes my driveway is wide enough for modern cars.. . I wouldn't have encroached more of 'my space' without ensuring this is still possible. Plenty of room.

Yes a classic. I have one of those too: a Paddy Hopkirk style classic Mini. And perhaps the red roadster in the garage. And my daily JCW.

(Perhaps this is the real issue: this IS Pistonheads afterall ;-) )

This is what confuses me, how does neighbour's fence stop you using your garage?

[Welshbeef]

Ok

So you can use the driveway to your garage without issue
No fence has been built on your land - infact he has built it in his land not the boundary - from the pics many have commentated here it’s a very good job.
He has made it higher for privacy but within permitted regulations
Apparently you both have issues with each other for whatever reason so a good high fence does the trick.
He paid for the fence in full

Is the sole issue the fact you have the bad side of he fence facing you? As the rest are clearly not a problem

[Dan_M5]

You both seem like complete c-units and deserve to be next to each other

[PositronicRay]

M12MTR said:

PositronicRay said:

This is what confuses me, how does neighbour's fence stop you using your garage?

(Sorry. I know there's always two sides to every story..... but..... are people "getting this yet"? He's a *** and a bully).

How? I don't see a neat fence as bullying behaviour.


(Hoping my neighbour doesn't see me as bully after fixing our boundary fence)

[dickymint]

You’ll need PP to widen your drive. What’s the odds for neighbor to object

[DonkeyApple]

M12MTR said:

Never used his land or 'air space' as it's called.

Do you not see what he's done to "stop me". He simply does not have the right to try and bully me.

But do you not see that when you chose to do nothing when he mucked about in the back garden you agreed to let him do what he wanted, when he wanted?

You keep banging on about passive aggression but that’s you. Your the passive aggressive one, you refuse to deal with the issue and instead stew yourself over and plot revenge and make internet statements about him not getting away with it. He’s just aggressive. There is nothing passive.

And now you’ve slapped up the most hideous lump of fencing and all because you refuse to stand up for yourself. You’re always going to be dancing to his tune because you never nipped thisnin the bid when it was easy to do.

[Skyedriver]

Dan_M5 said:

You both seem like complete c-units and deserve to be next to each other

LOL

Having scanned this thread it does seem that the neighbour is within his rights to erect a fence on his land and isn't bullying anyone.

Takes me back though to a situation at an old place I lived where there was a narrow strip of land (about 450mm) up the side of everyones garage which many, had allowed the next door neighbour to use as it increased the width of their side path. A previous owner of our new aquisition had done this (When we moved in there was an old steel central heating oil tank there). I used it as a store while renovating/redoing the garden etc. but it just made getting up the side path easier and windows on that side of the bungalow looked onto the neighbours garage wall about about 6 foot away.

We in turn aquired a new neighbour who decided he wanted that land back and erected a 6foot high fence along the boundary although I believe he pinched about 75mm of land in places. I lost my store area, the side path was narrower and I now looked onto a fence about 4 foot away We never spoke again.

Glad to be away to be honest, don't miss North Yorkshire at all.

[anonymous-user]

M12MTR said:

Not true. I did speak to him at the outset. But he was blinkered and stubborn.

What should I have done: spent hundreds / thousands £ on solicitor letters with potentially no change????

I thought it was agreed that he has built the fence entirely on his own plot?
What's he being blinkered and stubborn about?

[Welshbeef]

M12MTR said:

Welshbeef said:

Ok
So you can use the driveway to your garage without issue
No fence has been built on your land - infact he has built it in his land not the boundary - from the pics many have commentated here it’s a very good job.
He has made it higher for privacy but within permitted regulations
Apparently you both have issues with each other for whatever reason so a good high fence does the trick.
He paid for the fence in full.

A fair summary.

And yes I think aesthetically his fence looks terrible. He's not even painting / staining it which would have improved things.

And yes principles come into my thinking.

I was intending on fitting driveway gates for a while now..... he has given me the impetus to do so ;-)

So the issue is his fence has the bad side facing you.

That’s it?

[Skyedriver]

Dan_M5 said:

You both seem like complete c-units and deserve to be next to each other

LOL

Having scanned this thread it does seem that the neighbour is within his rights to erect a fence on his land and isn't bullying anyone.

Takes me back though to a situation at an old place I lived where there was a narrow strip of land (about 450mm) up the side of everyones garage which many, had allowed the next door neighbour to use as it increased the width of their side path. A previous owner of our new aquisition had done this (When we moved in there was an old steel central heating oil tank there). I used it as a store while renovating/redoing the garden etc. but it just made getting up the side path easier and windows on that side of the bungalow looked onto the neighbours garage wall about about 6 foot away.

We in turn aquired a new neighbour who decided he wanted that land back and erected a 6foot high fence along the boundary although I believe he pinched about 75mm of land in places. I lost my store area, the side path was narrower and I now looked onto a fence about 4 foot away We never spoke again.

Glad to be away to be honest, don't miss North Yorkshire at all.

[DonkeyApple]

M12MTR said:

DonkeyApple said:

.....You refuse to deal with the issue......all because you refuse to stand up for yourself. You’re always going to be dancing to his tune because you never nipped thisnin the bid when it was easy to do.

Not true. I did speak to him at the outset. But he was blinkered and stubborn.

What should I have done: spent hundreds / thousands £ on solicitor letters with potentially no change????

But you didn’t speak to him. You opened your mouth and he closed it for you and told you to go away and you did.

You’re talking the two extremes of not doing anything or going full retard with solicitors. There is a whole world of middle ground that you are desperately avoiding.

But, after pages of this it just seems that there is nothing wrong with his fence at the back and nothing wrong with his fence at the front. He’s done it on his land and it’s good quality work.

It really doesn’t sound like he is a bully but that you are a victim and a highly passive aggressive one.

We all want a quiet life and peace with our neighbours but this thread just highlights that often the only way to achieve that is to be firm and polite when the first open transgression takes place.

[JQ]

You never go full retard, everyone knows that.

[anonymous-user]

I had a problem neighbour once and it got to the stage of not talking.

Then one day I just went round, knocked on the door and said "I need some help". We ended up sitting down and talking and sorted it all out. Pretty much all the issues were misunderstandings.

There's no winners in a neighbourly battle.