Open plan on deeds..... fence erecting?
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Yes, you could send his solicitor a nice long letter covering the whole history including drilling / screwing into your garage, trespass, refusing to talk with you before referring to the solicitor
All the stuff that makes the neighbour look the t
t he is
Could get him a £500 bill no problem
All the stuff that makes the neighbour look the t
t he isCould get him a £500 bill no problem
M12MTR said:
Ok.
ii) if his fence is low height - say 1m high - I then build a 2m high fence on my side to therefore obstruct his life (and to p1ss him off as he has me)
(If I left his fence up I would definitely remove the rear garden fence attached to my garage AND on my property).
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Spite, nose, face, cut-off, to. (re-arrange into a sentence)ii) if his fence is low height - say 1m high - I then build a 2m high fence on my side to therefore obstruct his life (and to p1ss him off as he has me)
(If I left his fence up I would definitely remove the rear garden fence attached to my garage AND on my property).
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M12MTR said:
cossy400 said:
I know its asked a lot but OP does or would your house insurance cover anything like this, in terms of legal disputes?
Never thought about that. I will check this out. Thx.I think whoever said to concrete the strip that he has dug out already to increase the width of your driveway has by far the best idea as long as you're absolutely sure it is your land. At the end of the day it sounds like the relationship is already at rock bottom with no way back so nothing to lose really.
I'd also tear down the fence that he has erected on your land again if you're positive that it is yours and certainly take the post off your garage. He sounds like a typical bully and like all bullies will keep on taking liberties until you stand up to him.
I'd also tear down the fence that he has erected on your land again if you're positive that it is yours and certainly take the post off your garage. He sounds like a typical bully and like all bullies will keep on taking liberties until you stand up to him.
M12MTR said:
PositronicRay said:
M12MTR said:
Ok.
ii) if his fence is low height - say 1m high - I then build a 2m high fence on my side to therefore obstruct his life (and to p1ss him off as he has me)
(If I left his fence up I would definitely remove the rear garden fence attached to my garage AND on my property).
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Spite, nose, face, cut-off, to. (re-arrange into a sentence)ii) if his fence is low height - say 1m high - I then build a 2m high fence on my side to therefore obstruct his life (and to p1ss him off as he has me)
(If I left his fence up I would definitely remove the rear garden fence attached to my garage AND on my property).
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What I wouldn't be doing is erecting a 2m fence on the front.
What we know so far
a) Relations have broken down between you and your neighbour
b) You're irritated at his back garden fence
c) You believe he's considering a fence for the front garden (just on your side?)
d) You're considering a bigger fence (just on his side?)
e) You want to 'piss him off'
f) Meanwhile you'll mark your territory with sticks and string.
You see how it looks?
M12MTR said:
Thanks. So you would just let someone walk over you and do what they want?
To be fair, the nun of the issue is that it was you allowed two years ago and he now thinks he can do what he wants. To reset his thought train you need to extremely firm with him right now. I would start by just politely pointing out that he has dug that trench on your land and that if he tries to put a fence on it you will rip it out. In addition point out that the fence at the back is also on your land and that you will remove that as well if he doesn’t snap back into line and rejoin the human race.
Everything you seem to be doing at the moment appears to just be giving him carte Blanche to walk all over you again. You have to start by stopping that trench.
Sorry to be boring but before you go nuclear on Jim, try taking a bottle wine round when you know they are both in and apologise if you have offended in some way and could he let you know how.
He is pissed at you for some reason (rightly or wrong lyrics) so trying to to find out why may save you a ton of money and grief.
If he rejects this then you can go full bore at him knowing you are definitely in the right
He is pissed at you for some reason (rightly or wrong lyrics) so trying to to find out why may save you a ton of money and grief.
If he rejects this then you can go full bore at him knowing you are definitely in the right
desolate said:
M12MTR said:
Honestly no one has ever stepped on his lawn. Ever.
I parked like that today because o got both young boys out of my driver door from the back.
And over the years if I park more on my side on the drive I open the passenger door to lift my young son from his car seat.
Never stood on his lawn ever. That's not his reasoning.
Fair enough then.I parked like that today because o got both young boys out of my driver door from the back.
And over the years if I park more on my side on the drive I open the passenger door to lift my young son from his car seat.
Never stood on his lawn ever. That's not his reasoning.
Unless the covenant is specifically in your favour I don't think there is going to be a lot you can do.
Just do not under any circumstance allow him to encroach.
So, I think a solicitors letter, plus discussion with the planners, as many ne build developments in the last 20 years have pd rights removed. Further, the original planning permission may have a condition requiring open plan fronts, often as part of "secure by design".
Op, speak to a solicitor about a letter and get online and carefully read the planning permission decision notice and supporting statements. Also read the officer's report to committee.
Incidentally, I do wonder at what point the relationship actually broke down. Did he feel his fence plan was reasonable and it needed replacing?
You do need to try to make the peace IMO. Go round with a bottle, apologise (even if it rankles) and see if you can sort things out.
Then fill his trench with gravel as it's on your side...
You do need to try to make the peace IMO. Go round with a bottle, apologise (even if it rankles) and see if you can sort things out.
Then fill his trench with gravel as it's on your side...
Herbs said:
Sorry to be boring but before you go nuclear on Jim, try taking a bottle wine round when you know they are both in and apologise if you have offended in some way and could he let you know how.
He is pissed at you for some reason (rightly or wrong lyrics) so trying to to find out why may save you a ton of money and grief.
If he rejects this then you can go full bore at him knowing you are definitely in the right
Definitely the starting point. I had assumed that this had already taken place and that the poor OP had been told to FO. He is pissed at you for some reason (rightly or wrong lyrics) so trying to to find out why may save you a ton of money and grief.
If he rejects this then you can go full bore at him knowing you are definitely in the right
The wider question here is what is the social cure for the massive rise in extremely angry retired men! They’ve had the easiest life of any living human in history, are wealthy and healthy beyond any previous generation but so many seem absolutely filled with rage and indignation.
I had similar a few years back, when a neighbour moved in and began throwing his weight around in lots of odd little ways...
He dismantled our guttering and blocked it off with builder's foam where it was near his property at the back of some outbuildings.
He put a fence up right against an (our) existing fence, effectively reducing his plot by six inches, no idea why.
He put a flagpole in his front garden, in the very corner, as if to try and put it in "our" view.
He then proceeded to paint our fence, on the inside, where it faced into his garden, bright orange... which although technically was painting our fence without our permission, I didn't really care until the OH pointed out that bright orange paint was streaming through the gaps in the boards, creating quite an interesting effect in contrast to the dark creosoted wood our side.
I had been "rising above it" and slowly stewing, but simply ignoring it all, but the tipping point came when I arrived home during the day, only to find him ranting and threatening my other half because she had asked him to stop painting the fence with bright orange paint.
I didn't lay a finger on him and I didn't threaten him, but what I did do is absolutely bk him, savagely, at a very loud volume, and told him he was going to repair all the stupid things he had done and that none of the local neighbours liked him (they didn't) because he was a bully, and idiot and a their (he had apparently stolen something from another nearby neighbour - and older chap who is a smashing bloke).
He fixed everything, he never even looked at me or the other half again (he took to hiding until we were out of sight) and he moved out a month later. Result.
He dismantled our guttering and blocked it off with builder's foam where it was near his property at the back of some outbuildings.
He put a fence up right against an (our) existing fence, effectively reducing his plot by six inches, no idea why.
He put a flagpole in his front garden, in the very corner, as if to try and put it in "our" view.
He then proceeded to paint our fence, on the inside, where it faced into his garden, bright orange... which although technically was painting our fence without our permission, I didn't really care until the OH pointed out that bright orange paint was streaming through the gaps in the boards, creating quite an interesting effect in contrast to the dark creosoted wood our side.
I had been "rising above it" and slowly stewing, but simply ignoring it all, but the tipping point came when I arrived home during the day, only to find him ranting and threatening my other half because she had asked him to stop painting the fence with bright orange paint.
I didn't lay a finger on him and I didn't threaten him, but what I did do is absolutely b
k him, savagely, at a very loud volume, and told him he was going to repair all the stupid things he had done and that none of the local neighbours liked him (they didn't) because he was a bully, and idiot and a their (he had apparently stolen something from another nearby neighbour - and older chap who is a smashing bloke).He fixed everything, he never even looked at me or the other half again (he took to hiding until we were out of sight) and he moved out a month later. Result.
Edited by Sterillium on Sunday 22 April 10:17
The way forward here is to go and see him this afternoon. Tell him calmly and dispassionately that you hope that the excavation of the turf does not suggest that he is going to put in any sort of fence or border because (a) the development covenants prevent it and (b) the land he has dug up is yours. Ask him to re-instate the turf and point out that, if he does attempt to construct anything, it will become expensive for both of you as you will have to instruct solicitors. Remind him that this would also make it hard for both of you to sell your homes in the future as you would have to declare a dispute with the neighbours.
Don't enter into a debate, just say your piece. Stay calm and authorative. Make sure that you create the atmosphere of moral, intellectual and social superiority and position him in the role of an irksome irritant whom you expect to toe the line.
Don't enter into a debate, just say your piece. Stay calm and authorative. Make sure that you create the atmosphere of moral, intellectual and social superiority and position him in the role of an irksome irritant whom you expect to toe the line.
ClaphamGT3 said:
Don't enter into a debate, just say your piece. Stay calm and authorative. Make sure that you create the atmosphere of moral, intellectual and social superiority and position him in the role of an irksome irritant whom you expect to toe the line.
Dominate that staircase!M12MTR said:
From the strip he has cut tbh from my garage line 75% of the trench is my property.
Does " he's cut the lawn for years" come into it?
The fact of him cutting the lawn doesn't matter but the existence of the line could be taken as showing where the boundary is. It can get very complicated Does " he's cut the lawn for years" come into it?
Don't let him start building.
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