Open plan on deeds..... fence erecting?
Discussion
M12MTR said:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh4FQcgB4S4/
See the red line ^^^^^ This is the actual boundary. I'm thinking he's going to put his fence just to the right of this line.
Some odd thoughts above: if it's on HIS side of this red line can I object????
That was my original query. Lots seem to think open plan on deeds means nothing. Ok if that's true then I'll wait and see what he does build.
I'm not going to start an incident on my own speculation and assumptions. Even though I believe I'm correct.
I will sit back and see what transpires.
In terms if 'letting him' do the other fences: the driveway fence is on his land - and as many have said that's his prerogative- the rear fence- yes I should have stood firm- but this was before he was being a c*nt (or before I knew he was going to be one) .
From that picture it would appear he is only going to be building it on his side which seems fair enough. I must add as a few others have the fence erected so far looks good and far far nicer than the one he was replacing at the back. See the red line ^^^^^ This is the actual boundary. I'm thinking he's going to put his fence just to the right of this line.
Some odd thoughts above: if it's on HIS side of this red line can I object????
That was my original query. Lots seem to think open plan on deeds means nothing. Ok if that's true then I'll wait and see what he does build.
I'm not going to start an incident on my own speculation and assumptions. Even though I believe I'm correct.
I will sit back and see what transpires.
In terms if 'letting him' do the other fences: the driveway fence is on his land - and as many have said that's his prerogative- the rear fence- yes I should have stood firm- but this was before he was being a c*nt (or before I knew he was going to be one) .
M12MTR said:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh4FQcgB4S4/
See the red line ^^^^^ This is the actual boundary. I'm thinking he's going to put his fence just to the right of this line.
Some odd thoughts above: if it's on HIS side of this red line can I object????
That was my original query. Lots seem to think open plan on deeds means nothing. Ok if that's true then I'll wait and see what he does build.
I'm not going to start an incident on my own speculation and assumptions. Even though I believe I'm correct.
I will sit back and see what transpires.
In terms if 'letting him' do the other fences: the driveway fence is on his land - and as many have said that's his prerogative- the rear fence- yes I should have stood firm- but this was before he was being a c*nt (or before I knew he was going to be one) .
What's at the other side of your drive?See the red line ^^^^^ This is the actual boundary. I'm thinking he's going to put his fence just to the right of this line.
Some odd thoughts above: if it's on HIS side of this red line can I object????
That was my original query. Lots seem to think open plan on deeds means nothing. Ok if that's true then I'll wait and see what he does build.
I'm not going to start an incident on my own speculation and assumptions. Even though I believe I'm correct.
I will sit back and see what transpires.
In terms if 'letting him' do the other fences: the driveway fence is on his land - and as many have said that's his prerogative- the rear fence- yes I should have stood firm- but this was before he was being a c*nt (or before I knew he was going to be one) .
He might think that the edge of the concrete drive is the boundary line. You could write him a note to say that's not the case.
I have similar problems with my neighbour who are tenants - they built a tall fence on the boundary line but attached it to the edge of my house. Concrete from the fence posts seeped through and damaged a small part of my tarmaced drive. I complained and was on receiving end of loads of verbal abuse and threats to kill me ( the female tenant seems to be mentally unstable). I gave the Police a statement and got a reference number and told to call 999 if it escalated.
I have similar problems with my neighbour who are tenants - they built a tall fence on the boundary line but attached it to the edge of my house. Concrete from the fence posts seeped through and damaged a small part of my tarmaced drive. I complained and was on receiving end of loads of verbal abuse and threats to kill me ( the female tenant seems to be mentally unstable). I gave the Police a statement and got a reference number and told to call 999 if it escalated.
M12MTR said:
The 8 metre long fence down the side of my drive was never there originally.
My house has the drive to the side - with my detached garage set back from the rear of my house- and yes this was built at the time the full estate was built in 1986.
My drive is very long - can fit 6 car lengths on it. The edge of the brickwork is the boundary line - I have a plan diagram but it's at my work and not here with me now. The concrete drive is set in approx 8" from the actual boundary line. Hence him digging up 12" worth of turf - ready to place fence posts on his side.
Rear fence - he was ignorant, rude and criminal damage committed.
Side driveway fence to the front line of his actual house - he did this "to stop me" - I took this to make it awkward for me to use this part of my driveway. But is is less than 2m high and is (just) on his side of the boundary line.
Front open plan garden (if new fence) - if this goes up then this foes against deeds; but this may be a fruitless expensive journey. As long as it's on HIS side of the red line - what can I do?
Hmmmm.
OP, if you don't want to speak to them in person why not a written statement of what they have done in the past and that if they do what you think they are going to in the future you will take whatever legal action is necessary to remedy the issues.My house has the drive to the side - with my detached garage set back from the rear of my house- and yes this was built at the time the full estate was built in 1986.
My drive is very long - can fit 6 car lengths on it. The edge of the brickwork is the boundary line - I have a plan diagram but it's at my work and not here with me now. The concrete drive is set in approx 8" from the actual boundary line. Hence him digging up 12" worth of turf - ready to place fence posts on his side.
Rear fence - he was ignorant, rude and criminal damage committed.
Side driveway fence to the front line of his actual house - he did this "to stop me" - I took this to make it awkward for me to use this part of my driveway. But is is less than 2m high and is (just) on his side of the boundary line.
Front open plan garden (if new fence) - if this goes up then this foes against deeds; but this may be a fruitless expensive journey. As long as it's on HIS side of the red line - what can I do?
Hmmmm.
PositronicRay said:
DonkeyApple said:
The neighbour has already announced he is going to build a fence on the OPs .
The neighbour has done no such thing, he's not in dialogue with him remember?Timber has arrived, and some concrete that may or may not be a few cm over a boundary. Clearly the Neighbour is going to construct something, maybe a lookout tower.
Worth discussing what is and isn't allowed in the front garden with the planning dept. Any other houses on the estate with hedges and fences?
Could just be fence envy. Photos req of this construction Mon evening.
M12MTR said:
So, yesterday I returned home to see he has dug a trench - removed the turf - which is technically on my property - which matches the pencil line - ready to erect a fence of some kind?
An hour later I was getting my sons ready for football training and he came out - gave me a funny look - so I said " hi neighbour I see your trench - I hope you're not building any more fences as it's open plan on the deeds " ..... He responded " speak to me through a solicitor " ........ and drove off...... gesturing the *anker hand gesture.
M12MTR said:
The 8 metre long fence down the side of my drive was never there originally.
My house has the drive to the side - with my detached garage set back from the rear of my house- and yes this was built at the time the full estate was built in 1986.
My drive is very long - can fit 6 car lengths on it. The edge of the brickwork is the boundary line - I have a plan diagram but it's at my work and not here with me now. My concrete drive is set in approx 8" from the actual boundary line. Hence him digging up 12" worth of turf - ready to place fence posts on his side.
Rear fence - he was ignorant, rude and criminal damage committed.
Side driveway fence to the front line of his actual house - he did this "to stop me" - I took this to make it awkward for me to use this part of my driveway. But as it's less than 2m high and is (just) on his side of the boundary line I cannot challenge it.
Front open plan garden (if new fence) - if this goes up then this goes against deeds; but this may be a fruitless expensive journey. As long as it's on HIS side of the red line - what can I do?
Hmmmm.
''My concrete drive is set in approx 8" from the actual boundary line''My house has the drive to the side - with my detached garage set back from the rear of my house- and yes this was built at the time the full estate was built in 1986.
My drive is very long - can fit 6 car lengths on it. The edge of the brickwork is the boundary line - I have a plan diagram but it's at my work and not here with me now. My concrete drive is set in approx 8" from the actual boundary line. Hence him digging up 12" worth of turf - ready to place fence posts on his side.
Rear fence - he was ignorant, rude and criminal damage committed.
Side driveway fence to the front line of his actual house - he did this "to stop me" - I took this to make it awkward for me to use this part of my driveway. But as it's less than 2m high and is (just) on his side of the boundary line I cannot challenge it.
Front open plan garden (if new fence) - if this goes up then this goes against deeds; but this may be a fruitless expensive journey. As long as it's on HIS side of the red line - what can I do?
Hmmmm.
Edited by M12MTR on Sunday 22 April 15:59
Now it's approx 8"!!!! This is why I asked if the 9" you previously posted was actual fact as stated on your deeds!
We could view what you have posted another way of course.
Nice old gentleman moves next door to young family and decides to surprise them with a NEW rear fence, you take umbrage and start accusing him of trespass and criminal damage and insisting that he pays half toward replacing the rest of your dilapidated fence. NOG decides you are an a*shole and gets legal advice as to what he may or may not do. You continue to whine at him and now you don't like it!
Just saying!!!
Edited by pequod on Sunday 22 April 17:09
Re the rear fence.
He replaced it on his side of the boundary leaving the old one up where it was. Didn’t charge you or suggest you pay 50% towards it.
He left up the old fence / didn’t touch it as it’s not his property therefore giving you the choice as what to do with it.
If the above is correct then I see no issue at all / I’d be thanking him.
Re the side fence which you now clarify has been put up as when you detail you cars 4hrs at a time your basically looking into his living room. That would bug me too I’d want privacy, washing you car is one thing say 30 ish mins start to finish but 4 hours is a hell of a long time. I get his annoyance with this.
He replaced it on his side of the boundary leaving the old one up where it was. Didn’t charge you or suggest you pay 50% towards it.
He left up the old fence / didn’t touch it as it’s not his property therefore giving you the choice as what to do with it.
If the above is correct then I see no issue at all / I’d be thanking him.
Re the side fence which you now clarify has been put up as when you detail you cars 4hrs at a time your basically looking into his living room. That would bug me too I’d want privacy, washing you car is one thing say 30 ish mins start to finish but 4 hours is a hell of a long time. I get his annoyance with this.
M12MTR said:
Nope. He's just being a bully and since he retired I'm his hobby / victim. I pity his wife.
The fact is - unless my solicitor is wrong / misinformed - he cannot erect any type of barrier front the front bricks on his house.
And tough t1tties if he has to 'see me'. That's his problem.
WowThe fact is - unless my solicitor is wrong / misinformed - he cannot erect any type of barrier front the front bricks on his house.
And tough t1tties if he has to 'see me'. That's his problem.
M12MTR said:
Nope Welshbeef.
Rear fence. New fence (brown) is much wider and the new posts clearly on my side of the boundary - this makes the vertical wooden posts of the fence flush on the boundary line (and also nice and neat for his side as the new fence is flat to my garage wall exterior - so from his side - because HIS fence is on MY side it looks great for him). He stopped building this fence at his shed - and this new half fence lined up with the old (green) vertical (thinner) slats. He was just too lazy / cheap to move his shed temporarily to go an extra 2 metres of new fence. Bizarre - or he did it deliberately to cause a situation?
This fence IS fully on my side of the boundary AND he bolted the first post to the rear (not side / facing his back garden) of my garage brickwork - I called 101 and was told this IS criminal damage.
I fixed th old green fence by covering it with newer brown wooden slats - which I paid for.
Re: me using my front garden for whatever I want - that's my prerogative........ and no I don't spend x4 hours each Saturday ...... no where near in fact ...... and not even every week. But if I choose to is that an anti-social neighbour? I think not.
He cannot control what others do (within the law / reasonable behaviour) on their own private residence.
I see your perspective but I should know I live here.
Nope. He's just being a bully and since he retired I'm his hobby / victim. I pity his wife.
The fact is - unless my solicitor is wrong / misinformed - he cannot erect any type of barrier front the front bricks on his house.
And tough t1tties if he has to 'see me'. That's his problem.
So why in the 2 years since he first instance have you not pulled the trigger with the solicitor instead of half way hourlsw?Rear fence. New fence (brown) is much wider and the new posts clearly on my side of the boundary - this makes the vertical wooden posts of the fence flush on the boundary line (and also nice and neat for his side as the new fence is flat to my garage wall exterior - so from his side - because HIS fence is on MY side it looks great for him). He stopped building this fence at his shed - and this new half fence lined up with the old (green) vertical (thinner) slats. He was just too lazy / cheap to move his shed temporarily to go an extra 2 metres of new fence. Bizarre - or he did it deliberately to cause a situation?
This fence IS fully on my side of the boundary AND he bolted the first post to the rear (not side / facing his back garden) of my garage brickwork - I called 101 and was told this IS criminal damage.
I fixed th old green fence by covering it with newer brown wooden slats - which I paid for.
Re: me using my front garden for whatever I want - that's my prerogative........ and no I don't spend x4 hours each Saturday ...... no where near in fact ...... and not even every week. But if I choose to is that an anti-social neighbour? I think not.
He cannot control what others do (within the law / reasonable behaviour) on their own private residence.
I see your perspective but I should know I live here.
Nope. He's just being a bully and since he retired I'm his hobby / victim. I pity his wife.
The fact is - unless my solicitor is wrong / misinformed - he cannot erect any type of barrier front the front bricks on his house.
And tough t1tties if he has to 'see me'. That's his problem.
Edited by M12MTR on Sunday 22 April 17:57
M12MTR said:
Honestly- I paid for extra brown wooden fence slats - screwed them on to cover the green and let it go.
I didn't want any tension / disputes with the neighbour.
In hindsight - since he's continued to be an ar5e - yes I should have taken it down then.
Are you going to pop round tonight or not? You’ve a few hours max no later than 8pm today to have the chat needed I didn't want any tension / disputes with the neighbour.
In hindsight - since he's continued to be an ar5e - yes I should have taken it down then.
Voldemort said:
Strong response! 
I like it, boundary shmoundary! 
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