Moving a neighbours fence
Discussion
Wiccan of Darkness said:
Ooh I love a good fisticuffs, hey op put up some terracing opposite and sell tickets.
On a serious note, and this is serious, the neighbour has committed an offence by removing your shrubs but it's a civil matter, so not one for the police.
I wouldn't rip out the fence until I'd spoken at length with a property lawyer and I'd be ringing my home insurance company for advice.
The crux of the issue is that boundary disputes are long, costly and painful. This flagrant piss take would have me on a cold war footing from the start.
There was a case local to me (and I'm sure countless others) where the offending party refuses to back down, long story short they lost the house due to legal fees being imposed. I enjoy playing the long game, and this would have made my ocular fluid turn to steam and vent out of my pupils. As for the 'oh I know' comment and then having the door slammed in your face, were that done to me, my end objective would be ensuring a forced sale through bankruptcy after legal fees are imposed. I wouldn't give a jot about the fence from now on, my sole aim would be ensuring they end up with a six figure legal bill. At the very least, a legal bill that costs them the property.
I wouldn't do anything that could jeopardise the case, and that includes napalming the fence/bumming his dog/dog s
t and broken glass under the car door handles.
I would also refuse compensation, and instead insist on replacement trees/shrubs on a like for like basis.
Have you seen how much a 30ft tree costs? The cost of replacing a mature hedge/shrubbery on a like for like basis would be eye watering.
I also wouldn't go for a quick resolution, either. Years of pain are on the cards.
Just imagine the fateful day when the cocky SOB is evicted by the court bailiffs, all grey, gaunt and haggard and nothing to his name bar a tatty suitcase with some chintzy heirloom shuffling across the pavement, and in your moment of glee you spring out like some demonic zebedee all happy and smiles and say 'here mate, I'd hate you to leave on such a sour note, I can't bear to see you without a roof over your head so here's the box from the 60" HDTV we had delivered for you to sleep in tonight'.
Or just build a massive fk-off sized tesla coil in the garden and torment them to a lifetime of static electricity hell.
On a serious note, and this is serious, the neighbour has committed an offence by removing your shrubs but it's a civil matter, so not one for the police.
I wouldn't rip out the fence until I'd spoken at length with a property lawyer and I'd be ringing my home insurance company for advice.
The crux of the issue is that boundary disputes are long, costly and painful. This flagrant piss take would have me on a cold war footing from the start.
There was a case local to me (and I'm sure countless others) where the offending party refuses to back down, long story short they lost the house due to legal fees being imposed. I enjoy playing the long game, and this would have made my ocular fluid turn to steam and vent out of my pupils. As for the 'oh I know' comment and then having the door slammed in your face, were that done to me, my end objective would be ensuring a forced sale through bankruptcy after legal fees are imposed. I wouldn't give a jot about the fence from now on, my sole aim would be ensuring they end up with a six figure legal bill. At the very least, a legal bill that costs them the property.
I wouldn't do anything that could jeopardise the case, and that includes napalming the fence/bumming his dog/dog s
t and broken glass under the car door handles.I would also refuse compensation, and instead insist on replacement trees/shrubs on a like for like basis.
Have you seen how much a 30ft tree costs? The cost of replacing a mature hedge/shrubbery on a like for like basis would be eye watering.
I also wouldn't go for a quick resolution, either. Years of pain are on the cards.
Just imagine the fateful day when the cocky SOB is evicted by the court bailiffs, all grey, gaunt and haggard and nothing to his name bar a tatty suitcase with some chintzy heirloom shuffling across the pavement, and in your moment of glee you spring out like some demonic zebedee all happy and smiles and say 'here mate, I'd hate you to leave on such a sour note, I can't bear to see you without a roof over your head so here's the box from the 60" HDTV we had delivered for you to sleep in tonight'.
Or just build a massive f
k-off sized tesla coil in the garden and torment them to a lifetime of static electricity hell.
Lazermilk said:
Wiccan of Darkness said:
Ooh I love a good fisticuffs, hey op put up some terracing opposite and sell tickets.
On a serious note, and this is serious, the neighbour has committed an offence by removing your shrubs but it's a civil matter, so not one for the police.
I wouldn't rip out the fence until I'd spoken at length with a property lawyer and I'd be ringing my home insurance company for advice.
The crux of the issue is that boundary disputes are long, costly and painful. This flagrant piss take would have me on a cold war footing from the start.
There was a case local to me (and I'm sure countless others) where the offending party refuses to back down, long story short they lost the house due to legal fees being imposed. I enjoy playing the long game, and this would have made my ocular fluid turn to steam and vent out of my pupils. As for the 'oh I know' comment and then having the door slammed in your face, were that done to me, my end objective would be ensuring a forced sale through bankruptcy after legal fees are imposed. I wouldn't give a jot about the fence from now on, my sole aim would be ensuring they end up with a six figure legal bill. At the very least, a legal bill that costs them the property.
I wouldn't do anything that could jeopardise the case, and that includes napalming the fence/bumming his dog/dog st and broken glass under the car door handles.
I would also refuse compensation, and instead insist on replacement trees/shrubs on a like for like basis.
Have you seen how much a 30ft tree costs? The cost of replacing a mature hedge/shrubbery on a like for like basis would be eye watering.
I also wouldn't go for a quick resolution, either. Years of pain are on the cards.
Just imagine the fateful day when the cocky SOB is evicted by the court bailiffs, all grey, gaunt and haggard and nothing to his name bar a tatty suitcase with some chintzy heirloom shuffling across the pavement, and in your moment of glee you spring out like some demonic zebedee all happy and smiles and say 'here mate, I'd hate you to leave on such a sour note, I can't bear to see you without a roof over your head so here's the box from the 60" HDTV we had delivered for you to sleep in tonight'.
Or just build a massive fk-off sized tesla coil in the garden and torment them to a lifetime of static electricity hell.
On a serious note, and this is serious, the neighbour has committed an offence by removing your shrubs but it's a civil matter, so not one for the police.
I wouldn't rip out the fence until I'd spoken at length with a property lawyer and I'd be ringing my home insurance company for advice.
The crux of the issue is that boundary disputes are long, costly and painful. This flagrant piss take would have me on a cold war footing from the start.
There was a case local to me (and I'm sure countless others) where the offending party refuses to back down, long story short they lost the house due to legal fees being imposed. I enjoy playing the long game, and this would have made my ocular fluid turn to steam and vent out of my pupils. As for the 'oh I know' comment and then having the door slammed in your face, were that done to me, my end objective would be ensuring a forced sale through bankruptcy after legal fees are imposed. I wouldn't give a jot about the fence from now on, my sole aim would be ensuring they end up with a six figure legal bill. At the very least, a legal bill that costs them the property.
I wouldn't do anything that could jeopardise the case, and that includes napalming the fence/bumming his dog/dog s
t and broken glass under the car door handles.I would also refuse compensation, and instead insist on replacement trees/shrubs on a like for like basis.
Have you seen how much a 30ft tree costs? The cost of replacing a mature hedge/shrubbery on a like for like basis would be eye watering.
I also wouldn't go for a quick resolution, either. Years of pain are on the cards.
Just imagine the fateful day when the cocky SOB is evicted by the court bailiffs, all grey, gaunt and haggard and nothing to his name bar a tatty suitcase with some chintzy heirloom shuffling across the pavement, and in your moment of glee you spring out like some demonic zebedee all happy and smiles and say 'here mate, I'd hate you to leave on such a sour note, I can't bear to see you without a roof over your head so here's the box from the 60" HDTV we had delivered for you to sleep in tonight'.
Or just build a massive f
k-off sized tesla coil in the garden and torment them to a lifetime of static electricity hell.
I'm sure Wiccan of Darkness is a bit tongue in cheek there....apt user name for that post though
This may not apply but looking into my AA policy with Legal Cover inc'
We provide legal expenses cover for disputes arising from:
Physical injuries.
Protecting your property (excluding boundary disputes).
Contracts you enter into for goods or services.
Contracts related to buying etc etc etc etc
Other insurers could well cover it but interesting that at least 1 insurer specifically excludes it
We provide legal expenses cover for disputes arising from:
Physical injuries.
Protecting your property (excluding boundary disputes).
Contracts you enter into for goods or services.
Contracts related to buying etc etc etc etc
Other insurers could well cover it but interesting that at least 1 insurer specifically excludes it
Have you asked them to just move it or it will be moved?
He said yes he knew beforehand. It's not an escalation if you stay calm but I'd be dismantling it without damage.
One of my neighbours giant shrubs overgrew onto my shed so I cut it all back and placed the huge pile back in his garden. I then called round and explained why. I wasn't apologetic nor was I rude. I said it had damamged the felt on the roof of my shed but I was willing to leave it at that.
An idea of the size and scale - my shed is 10foot high and a metre away from the fence boundary.
I've found not approaching people apologetically but firm and respectful gets results. If I complained about the overgrowth I'd have gotten 'so'? Apparently a reclusive rude bloke.
He said yes he knew beforehand. It's not an escalation if you stay calm but I'd be dismantling it without damage.
One of my neighbours giant shrubs overgrew onto my shed so I cut it all back and placed the huge pile back in his garden. I then called round and explained why. I wasn't apologetic nor was I rude. I said it had damamged the felt on the roof of my shed but I was willing to leave it at that.
An idea of the size and scale - my shed is 10foot high and a metre away from the fence boundary.
I've found not approaching people apologetically but firm and respectful gets results. If I complained about the overgrowth I'd have gotten 'so'? Apparently a reclusive rude bloke.
Going to be COSTLY
You mention
"We're having a boundary assessment done by a suitable qualified person this weekend"
(there goes the first £500+ )
Legal Boundary determined by Title deeds and OS map.
Title deeds....Do they mention there or thereabouts ?
OS map....any datum points from which the surveyer can start to take measurements?
IF the above methods are not definitive for the surveyer to form a considered opinion then possibly other intrinsic evidence might be required.
Do you have the original building drawings with a much larger scale than the OS map?
Any ground features that are well established?
You mention having google maps showing the boundary before the new fence was repositioned in your absence.
I note all the work was carried out without prior notification or warning.
All we ever want is peaceful enjoyment from our property.
The new fence I believe is the property of your neighbour - removing it would,I believe, cause difficulties until the dispute is resolved.
Those few inches can be COSTLY.
I feel your pain.
Hope it gets resolved amicably.
You mention
"We're having a boundary assessment done by a suitable qualified person this weekend"
(there goes the first £500+ )
Legal Boundary determined by Title deeds and OS map.
Title deeds....Do they mention there or thereabouts ?
OS map....any datum points from which the surveyer can start to take measurements?
IF the above methods are not definitive for the surveyer to form a considered opinion then possibly other intrinsic evidence might be required.
Do you have the original building drawings with a much larger scale than the OS map?
Any ground features that are well established?
You mention having google maps showing the boundary before the new fence was repositioned in your absence.
I note all the work was carried out without prior notification or warning.
All we ever want is peaceful enjoyment from our property.
The new fence I believe is the property of your neighbour - removing it would,I believe, cause difficulties until the dispute is resolved.
Those few inches can be COSTLY.
I feel your pain.
Hope it gets resolved amicably.
As you have been advised, going down the legal route will be expensive. What will be less expensive would be for you you to remove the fence he has built on your property and build a new fence in the correct place. If your neighbour disagrees with this then let him go down the legal route if he thinks it would be worthwhile.
The absolute worst thing you can do here is nothing.
The absolute worst thing you can do here is nothing.
Interesting! Sadly I have no real advice, but clearly no reasonable person would do this in the first place. As a result, being reasonable is unlikely to get results...
It may be worth posting a question here:
https://www.gardenlaw.co.uk/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f...
It may be worth posting a question here:
https://www.gardenlaw.co.uk/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f...
soupdragon1 said:
Lazermilk said:
Wiccan of Darkness said:
Ooh I love a good fisticuffs, hey op put up some terracing opposite and sell tickets.
On a serious note, and this is serious, the neighbour has committed an offence by removing your shrubs but it's a civil matter, so not one for the police.
I wouldn't rip out the fence until I'd spoken at length with a property lawyer and I'd be ringing my home insurance company for advice.
The crux of the issue is that boundary disputes are long, costly and painful. This flagrant piss take would have me on a cold war footing from the start.
There was a case local to me (and I'm sure countless others) where the offending party refuses to back down, long story short they lost the house due to legal fees being imposed. I enjoy playing the long game, and this would have made my ocular fluid turn to steam and vent out of my pupils. As for the 'oh I know' comment and then having the door slammed in your face, were that done to me, my end objective would be ensuring a forced sale through bankruptcy after legal fees are imposed. I wouldn't give a jot about the fence from now on, my sole aim would be ensuring they end up with a six figure legal bill. At the very least, a legal bill that costs them the property.
I wouldn't do anything that could jeopardise the case, and that includes napalming the fence/bumming his dog/dog st and broken glass under the car door handles.
I would also refuse compensation, and instead insist on replacement trees/shrubs on a like for like basis.
Have you seen how much a 30ft tree costs? The cost of replacing a mature hedge/shrubbery on a like for like basis would be eye watering.
I also wouldn't go for a quick resolution, either. Years of pain are on the cards.
Just imagine the fateful day when the cocky SOB is evicted by the court bailiffs, all grey, gaunt and haggard and nothing to his name bar a tatty suitcase with some chintzy heirloom shuffling across the pavement, and in your moment of glee you spring out like some demonic zebedee all happy and smiles and say 'here mate, I'd hate you to leave on such a sour note, I can't bear to see you without a roof over your head so here's the box from the 60" HDTV we had delivered for you to sleep in tonight'.
Or just build a massive fk-off sized tesla coil in the garden and torment them to a lifetime of static electricity hell.
On a serious note, and this is serious, the neighbour has committed an offence by removing your shrubs but it's a civil matter, so not one for the police.
I wouldn't rip out the fence until I'd spoken at length with a property lawyer and I'd be ringing my home insurance company for advice.
The crux of the issue is that boundary disputes are long, costly and painful. This flagrant piss take would have me on a cold war footing from the start.
There was a case local to me (and I'm sure countless others) where the offending party refuses to back down, long story short they lost the house due to legal fees being imposed. I enjoy playing the long game, and this would have made my ocular fluid turn to steam and vent out of my pupils. As for the 'oh I know' comment and then having the door slammed in your face, were that done to me, my end objective would be ensuring a forced sale through bankruptcy after legal fees are imposed. I wouldn't give a jot about the fence from now on, my sole aim would be ensuring they end up with a six figure legal bill. At the very least, a legal bill that costs them the property.
I wouldn't do anything that could jeopardise the case, and that includes napalming the fence/bumming his dog/dog s
t and broken glass under the car door handles.I would also refuse compensation, and instead insist on replacement trees/shrubs on a like for like basis.
Have you seen how much a 30ft tree costs? The cost of replacing a mature hedge/shrubbery on a like for like basis would be eye watering.
I also wouldn't go for a quick resolution, either. Years of pain are on the cards.
Just imagine the fateful day when the cocky SOB is evicted by the court bailiffs, all grey, gaunt and haggard and nothing to his name bar a tatty suitcase with some chintzy heirloom shuffling across the pavement, and in your moment of glee you spring out like some demonic zebedee all happy and smiles and say 'here mate, I'd hate you to leave on such a sour note, I can't bear to see you without a roof over your head so here's the box from the 60" HDTV we had delivered for you to sleep in tonight'.
Or just build a massive f
k-off sized tesla coil in the garden and torment them to a lifetime of static electricity hell.I'm sure Wiccan of Darkness is a bit tongue in cheek there....apt user name for that post though
What an absolute tt. You've have some good advice here, stay away from legal unless you can absolutely help it. You might find when you sit down and show the boundaries quite clearly that they're more amenable to fixing the situation. They probably have a warped view that they're in the right for some reason, these types of people usually do.
t. You've have some good advice here, stay away from legal unless you can absolutely help it. You might find when you sit down and show the boundaries quite clearly that they're more amenable to fixing the situation. They probably have a warped view that they're in the right for some reason, these types of people usually do.Tankrizzo said:
What an absolute tt. You've have some good advice here, stay away from legal unless you can absolutely help it. You might find when you sit down and show the boundaries quite clearly that they're more amenable to fixing the situation. They probably have a warped view that they're in the right for some reason, these types of people usually do.
I doubt it, he said he knew about the curve of the boundary and slammed the door in his face when he first raised it, hes clearly just hoping it will go away and he gets what he wants.t. You've have some good advice here, stay away from legal unless you can absolutely help it. You might find when you sit down and show the boundaries quite clearly that they're more amenable to fixing the situation. They probably have a warped view that they're in the right for some reason, these types of people usually do.I've been involved in boundary disputes at an old property, it can cause an insane amount of stress.
Something I'm happy to be educated on though is why it is okay for them to cause damage to your property and build something on your land without your permission leaving you facing a big legal bill to fight it, and showing no inclination to resolve. Yet you can't just remove their fence and give it them back - leaving them with the legal bill if they want to challenge it?
In your position I'd firstly try my insurer/mortgage provider as suggesting (legal cover). Failing that, I'd write them a letter giving them 14 days to remove the fence and engage with you on a new location, or you will be removing the fence at their cost and building a new one in the correct place.
You may find they do nothing - I mean what can they do if you are confident of the boundary? And no outstanding dispute to declare either, you put on any sale form that there was a boundary dispute which was resolved.
Simples...
Something I'm happy to be educated on though is why it is okay for them to cause damage to your property and build something on your land without your permission leaving you facing a big legal bill to fight it, and showing no inclination to resolve. Yet you can't just remove their fence and give it them back - leaving them with the legal bill if they want to challenge it?
In your position I'd firstly try my insurer/mortgage provider as suggesting (legal cover). Failing that, I'd write them a letter giving them 14 days to remove the fence and engage with you on a new location, or you will be removing the fence at their cost and building a new one in the correct place.
You may find they do nothing - I mean what can they do if you are confident of the boundary? And no outstanding dispute to declare either, you put on any sale form that there was a boundary dispute which was resolved.
Simples...
I think it is absolutely bat st crazy that someone can effectively steal your land, but even more so that people say to do nothing about it. The neighbour sounds unreasonable, if the OP doesn't sort this then I see it as the start of a long and potentially miserable time for him, as the neighbour will continue to take liberties. It needs nipping in the bud now, whether that is amicably or down the legal route. If it ruins his neighbour financially then that sounds like a happy coincidence.
t crazy that someone can effectively steal your land, but even more so that people say to do nothing about it. The neighbour sounds unreasonable, if the OP doesn't sort this then I see it as the start of a long and potentially miserable time for him, as the neighbour will continue to take liberties. It needs nipping in the bud now, whether that is amicably or down the legal route. If it ruins his neighbour financially then that sounds like a happy coincidence. It seems very clear that he has 'installed' posts and panels on your land. Remove them without damage - should be easy to do, especially with f-i-l help and place back on the neighbours front lawn. You are returning his property following his error so there can be no complaint from him and it's clear that you are maintaining your right to keep the existing boundary line.
Then have a discussion about where any fence gets reinstated.
Then have a discussion about where any fence gets reinstated.
TheAngryDog said:
I think it is absolutely bat st crazy that someone can effectively steal your land, but even more so that people say to do nothing about it. The neighbour sounds unreasonable, if the OP doesn't sort this then I see it as the start of a long and potentially miserable time for him, as the neighbour will continue to take liberties. It needs nipping in the bud now, whether that is amicably or down the legal route. If it ruins his neighbour financially then that sounds like a happy coincidence.
I wonder what would happen if nothing was done about it, the garage was built and should the OP come to sell, a solicitor spots this issue x years down the line...t crazy that someone can effectively steal your land, but even more so that people say to do nothing about it. The neighbour sounds unreasonable, if the OP doesn't sort this then I see it as the start of a long and potentially miserable time for him, as the neighbour will continue to take liberties. It needs nipping in the bud now, whether that is amicably or down the legal route. If it ruins his neighbour financially then that sounds like a happy coincidence. Gassing Station | Homes, Gardens and DIY | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff