Is this open reach box acceptable?
Discussion
AlmostUseful said:
Visibility splays are defines zones (not sight lines, but splayed areas) and something is either in it or it isn’t.
If the box is in it, and is outside of the permitted sizes then it should be moved because it won’t have highways agreement to be there, if it’s outside the zone, or within it but also within the size parameters then it’s nothin my to worry about.
Looking at drawings for visibility splays i would be fairly confident it is in it, sure i read something about stuff being 1m high somewhere, i haven't measured the box but fairly sure its just over a meter. If the box is in it, and is outside of the permitted sizes then it should be moved because it won’t have highways agreement to be there, if it’s outside the zone, or within it but also within the size parameters then it’s nothin my to worry about.
Looking locally as well it appears that a lot of the original trees are in place, it appears that most junctions have had them removed or smaller ones re planted. Its a shame as that older tree was nice
m3jappa said:
AlmostUseful said:
Visibility splays are defines zones (not sight lines, but splayed areas) and something is either in it or it isn’t.
If the box is in it, and is outside of the permitted sizes then it should be moved because it won’t have highways agreement to be there, if it’s outside the zone, or within it but also within the size parameters then it’s nothin my to worry about.
Looking at drawings for visibility splays i would be fairly confident it is in it, sure i read something about stuff being 1m high somewhere, i haven't measured the box but fairly sure its just over a meter. If the box is in it, and is outside of the permitted sizes then it should be moved because it won’t have highways agreement to be there, if it’s outside the zone, or within it but also within the size parameters then it’s nothin my to worry about.
Looking locally as well it appears that a lot of the original trees are in place, it appears that most junctions have had them removed or smaller ones re planted. Its a shame as that older tree was nice
I have finally had confirmation from open reach that they will NOT be moving the box, however they can for a minimum of 40k! They even confirmed the box will be fitted like this for cost reasons.
I would love to have a business where:
i subcontract and can fit stuff where i want
i am faceless and cant be contacted further than email
i can cause problems for others which do not matter to me
i can charge enormous sums to fix the above.
I didn't think they would move it but i am genuinely shocked at their attitude of 'so what'
I would love to have a business where:
i subcontract and can fit stuff where i want
i am faceless and cant be contacted further than email
i can cause problems for others which do not matter to me
i can charge enormous sums to fix the above.
I didn't think they would move it but i am genuinely shocked at their attitude of 'so what'
m3jappa said:
I have finally had confirmation from open reach that they will NOT be moving the box, however they can for a minimum of 40k! They even confirmed the box will be fitted like this for cost reasons.
I would love to have a business where:
i subcontract and can fit stuff where i want
i am faceless and cant be contacted further than email
i can cause problems for others which do not matter to me
i can charge enormous sums to fix the above.
I didn't think they would move it but i am genuinely shocked at their attitude of 'so what'
It's not on your land. Of course their business model is different to yours - you are a small electrical contractor, they are a national infrastructure supplier. I would love to have a business where:
i subcontract and can fit stuff where i want
i am faceless and cant be contacted further than email
i can cause problems for others which do not matter to me
i can charge enormous sums to fix the above.
I didn't think they would move it but i am genuinely shocked at their attitude of 'so what'
Once again, this is not on your land - it's on a piece of council land where there are other boxes already - you have zero influence or rights in this.
bimsb6 said:
Peanut Gallery said:
Just to say sorry about the outcome, and I agree with your sentiment on the monopoly.
So do you think more competition would mean less street cabinets ? Maybe i take it to heart a bit much, im not an electrical contractor but a paving company.
The things i have had to deal with you wouldn't believe, its as if i am supplying babies or something. My favourite was when we had our daughter, even though i had other people who were perfectly capable on site his exact words were 'well i dont see why you need to be there' (for the f
king birth that is 
), chipped slab down an alley way ? end of the world, a forgotton pallet left in their garage? never ending phone calls to pick it up, even though they know its a 40 mile round trip, so so many more.
The way (some definitely not all) customers treat me is shocking, but guess what they say jump and i say how high? I am always busy, ive got a good reputation which is built on quality of work and service which pays my rather chunky mortgage.
I am just amazed that a national company can put street furniture where ever it is easiest to install (id be a lot better off if i could behave like that) with zero consequence. The boxes project manager didn't even contact me directly. Just a flat no message. The whole thing could have been avoided if they took an extra couple of hours to remove some concrete and fit the other side, the cable run would have actually been shorter.
I have spoken to my local councillor who's a nice bloke, he agrees its bad as well and told me they actually had to move one further up the road a few years ago, im not sure why though, he may or may not help to get it moved. i have also tweeted bt, openreach, essex highways, essex council so will see what they say.
Apart from that ill be planning the hedge and some shrubs around it.
And of course i get its public land, but what next? why not fit a costa drive through? A whole telephone exchange? i actually bought this house because i thought it was safe from development, i never thought there would be a line of bt boxes outside. Its why we have planning, its to stop people building stupid stuff where they want, but it appears openreach is above the law and can fit where ever is cheapest for them (or actually the sub contractor).
And 40k to move it hahahahaha really, where the fk is 40k of work?
The things i have had to deal with you wouldn't believe, its as if i am supplying babies or something. My favourite was when we had our daughter, even though i had other people who were perfectly capable on site his exact words were 'well i dont see why you need to be there' (for the f
king birth that is ), chipped slab down an alley way ? end of the world, a forgotton pallet left in their garage? never ending phone calls to pick it up, even though they know its a 40 mile round trip, so so many more.The way (some definitely not all) customers treat me is shocking, but guess what they say jump and i say how high? I am always busy, ive got a good reputation which is built on quality of work and service which pays my rather chunky mortgage.
I am just amazed that a national company can put street furniture where ever it is easiest to install (id be a lot better off if i could behave like that) with zero consequence. The boxes project manager didn't even contact me directly. Just a flat no message. The whole thing could have been avoided if they took an extra couple of hours to remove some concrete and fit the other side, the cable run would have actually been shorter.
I have spoken to my local councillor who's a nice bloke, he agrees its bad as well and told me they actually had to move one further up the road a few years ago, im not sure why though, he may or may not help to get it moved. i have also tweeted bt, openreach, essex highways, essex council so will see what they say.
Apart from that ill be planning the hedge and some shrubs around it.
And of course i get its public land, but what next? why not fit a costa drive through? A whole telephone exchange? i actually bought this house because i thought it was safe from development, i never thought there would be a line of bt boxes outside. Its why we have planning, its to stop people building stupid stuff where they want, but it appears openreach is above the law and can fit where ever is cheapest for them (or actually the sub contractor).
And 40k to move it hahahahaha really, where the f
k is 40k of work?m3jappa said:
I have finally had confirmation from open reach that they will NOT be moving the box, however they can for a minimum of 40k! They even confirmed the box will be fitted like this for cost reasons.
I would love to have a business where:
i subcontract and can fit stuff where i want
i am faceless and cant be contacted further than email
i can cause problems for others which do not matter to me
i can charge enormous sums to fix the above.
I didn't think they would move it but i am genuinely shocked at their attitude of 'so what'
OP, I'm sorry to hear about your woes. I would love to have a business where:
i subcontract and can fit stuff where i want
i am faceless and cant be contacted further than email
i can cause problems for others which do not matter to me
i can charge enormous sums to fix the above.
I didn't think they would move it but i am genuinely shocked at their attitude of 'so what'
Totally understand about this:
m3jappa said:
The things i have had to deal with you wouldn't believe, its as if i am supplying babies or something. My favourite was when we had our daughter, even though i had other people who were perfectly capable on site his exact words were 'well i dont see why you need to be there' (for the fking birth that is ), chipped slab down an alley way ? end of the world, a forgotton pallet left in their garage? never ending phone calls to pick it up, even though they know its a 40 mile round trip, so so many more.
The way (some definitely not all) customers treat me is shocking, but guess what they say jump and i say how high? I am always busy, ive got a good reputation which is built on quality of work and service which pays my rather chunky mortgage.
It's as though you are held up to some insane standard and if even the slightest element drops below perceived perfection, people are more than happy to raise merry hell with complaints, despite their 'complaints' being totally unrealistic. However, because you care about your rep, you grin and bear it.king birth that is ), chipped slab down an alley way ? end of the world, a forgotton pallet left in their garage? never ending phone calls to pick it up, even though they know its a 40 mile round trip, so so many more.The way (some definitely not all) customers treat me is shocking, but guess what they say jump and i say how high? I am always busy, ive got a good reputation which is built on quality of work and service which pays my rather chunky mortgage.
In a situation where you genuinely get given a s
t sandwich, it's all 'sorry mate, that's how it is, tough luck'.Sad truth of the matter is that most people are lazy
s who do the minimum and basically can't be arsed. If you have little/no expectations, you can't be disappointed. Unfortunately, when their attitude/actions end up impacting you, you end up being the one who suffers. This is an ongoing issue.
It varies, but often the placement makes seemly no sense. At my last house the original cab was on one side of the road, wide pavement, back against a brick wall, happy days. then they put the fibre cab on the other side of the road, right on the corner where a side road came off, blocking most of the pavement and dropped curb area. Makes no sense to me.
Obviously the placement of the origanal cab didnt foresee it having two extensions and a pair of fttc cabs beside it.
Daniel
It varies, but often the placement makes seemly no sense. At my last house the original cab was on one side of the road, wide pavement, back against a brick wall, happy days. then they put the fibre cab on the other side of the road, right on the corner where a side road came off, blocking most of the pavement and dropped curb area. Makes no sense to me.
Obviously the placement of the origanal cab didnt foresee it having two extensions and a pair of fttc cabs beside it.
Daniel
m3jappa said:
And of course i get its public land, but what next? why not fit a costa drive through? A whole telephone exchange? i actually bought this house because i thought it was safe from development, i never thought there would be a line of bt boxes outside. Its why we have planning, its to stop people building stupid stuff where they want, but it appears openreach is above the law and can fit where ever is cheapest for them (or actually the sub contractor).
And 40k to move it hahahahaha really, where the fk is 40k of work?
It's Permitted Development. So they aren't acting above or outside the law.And 40k to move it hahahahaha really, where the f
k is 40k of work?PAULJ5555 said:
Paint it red and get some stickers made up so its looks like this, then sit back and laugh at people through your window.
https://www.zazzle.co.uk/post_box_oval_sticker-217...
You have a strange sense of humour.https://www.zazzle.co.uk/post_box_oval_sticker-217...
Not a lot of thought goes into the placement of these in my opinion.
I hit this one cycling along the cycleway at night, following someone who went around it at the last minute, I didn't see it and hit it at around 15mph. Bent the frame of my nice titanium bike and smashed myself up nicely!
I hit this one cycling along the cycleway at night, following someone who went around it at the last minute, I didn't see it and hit it at around 15mph. Bent the frame of my nice titanium bike and smashed myself up nicely!
mgtony said:
I was about to post the very same thing 
PGM said:
Not a lot of thought goes into the placement of these in my opinion.
I hit this one cycling along the cycleway at night, following someone who went around it at the last minute, I didn't see it and hit it at around 15mph. Bent the frame of my nice titanium bike and smashed myself up nicely!
That's pretty terrible and I'm amazed the Local Highway Authority haven't insisted that it was put in at either the front or back of the shared use path.I hit this one cycling along the cycleway at night, following someone who went around it at the last minute, I didn't see it and hit it at around 15mph. Bent the frame of my nice titanium bike and smashed myself up nicely!
I'd be sorely tempted to raise that with the LHA
PGM said:
Not a lot of thought goes into the placement of these in my opinion.
I hit this one cycling along the cycleway at night, following someone who went around it at the last minute, I didn't see it and hit it at around 15mph. Bent the frame of my nice titanium bike and smashed myself up nicely!
That's crap isn't it!I hit this one cycling along the cycleway at night, following someone who went around it at the last minute, I didn't see it and hit it at around 15mph. Bent the frame of my nice titanium bike and smashed myself up nicely!
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