Balau decking problems after 6 months

Balau decking problems after 6 months

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goingonholiday

269 posts

182 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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Air needs to circulate around the boards, there should not be membrane between board and the joists underneath.

Also, the boards should be secured to every joist / support, these should be something like 300mm apart. So a 3m board would be fixed around 10 times along its length.

Who fitted it?

Pj1972

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24 posts

64 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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I found this from when it was being installed, see the black membrane over the joists.

ashleyman

6,987 posts

100 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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That black membrane should be under the joists if I'm not mistaken.

That's probably retaining moisture which is then going into the boards.

Can anyone else confirm?

CoolHands

18,691 posts

196 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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Perhaps the membrane is trapping moisture underneath.

With regards to being in uk I’ve had my decking down for 9 years and it hasn’t cupped (regular stuff not fancy wood. It is about 2 ft off the ground though so plenty of air underneath).

227bhp

10,203 posts

129 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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Pj1972 said:
I found this from when it was being installed, see the black membrane over the joists.
Bingo, there is your issue right there.

Pj1972

Original Poster:

24 posts

64 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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ok thanks, glad we found the culprit. So any idea what can be done now if this is membrane is removed? Can i rectify those cupped boards? Could they be turned round , grooved side facing up for some time to see if they sort themselves out?

sidekickdmr

5,078 posts

207 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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Yep, thats your issue, why on earth would you lay the membrane on top of the joists and directly under the decking, very odd.

A) it will trap the moisture and the underside of the boards will be wetter for longer, allowing the top to dry out and warp

B) The idea of the gaps in decking is to allow rubbish, leaves, rain, dust etc to fall, so with the membrane this will catch it all and again hold the moisture more.

227bhp

10,203 posts

129 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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sidekickdmr said:
Yep, thats your issue, why on earth would you lay the membrane on top of the joists and directly under the decking, very odd.
So you can leave all that rubbish under there and no-one can see it.

PAT64

699 posts

60 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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Pj1972 said:
I found this from when it was being installed, see the black membrane over the joists.
Awesome thinking btw with capturing the video photo footage, Im gonna try and set up cctv and do the same its a fantastic idea.

This is just my opinion and ill probably get stick from builders/tradesmen again..... but when or if they are doing a repair job just pop out there and make sure they are doing it right and sticking the membrane down first or what ever the proper solution is.

You have a nice patio and garden, prefer the decking myself just think it gives character over patio slabs and concrete.


Tin Hat

1,375 posts

210 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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Pj1972 said:
ok thanks, glad we found the culprit. So any idea what can be done now if this is membrane is removed? Can i rectify those cupped boards? Could they be turned round , grooved side facing up for some time to see if they sort themselves out?
You could sort through the boards and pick out any reusable ones, but if you introduce new boards to make up the shortfall it will look like a bit of a patchwork quilt. Once timber of that width has cupped, warped or bent, you won’t be able to persuade it to straighten again however many fixings you put in it.

As others have said, it needs plenty of air circulating around it to keep it stable ( as does the carcassing framework beneath it )

thebraketester

14,248 posts

139 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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That’s a pretty shocking effort to be honest.

48k

13,114 posts

149 months

Friday 14th June 2019
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I'd be persuading the installer to sort that at their cost - they've ruined some expensive wood there.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 14th June 2019
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Pour some water on the membrane, I bet the water takes forever to penetrate it, will be a pond..
Similarly you can’t lay it directly under artificial lawn as eg dogs pee will form a pool under it!

Pj1972

Original Poster:

24 posts

64 months

Friday 14th June 2019
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Ok was hoping for some better news. I'll check today a few boards it rained yesterday. I'll check back with the supplier about the membrane and then talk to the fitter at the weekend.
I'm thinking it maybe the whole centre section that needs replacing. The smaller planks that were screwed down 30cm spaced apart seem ok. The larger were more like 50-60cm spacing. That's a good few grand of materials there. Perhaps I could oil the good part and get them to lay new down in the autumn when it's not in use so much.
Gutted, we spent thousands on the house renovation and that patio was the last of our savings. Had issue with floor inside the house and now this. And the installer came from a recommendation of my neighbour who ironically went for composite boards that I suggested to him but I couldnt afford in the end. Wish I had now :-(

Herbs

4,916 posts

230 months

Friday 14th June 2019
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Id push for the whole lot to be replaced - it's got to come up anyway for the membrane to be relaid and if you are replacing a section, you will notice it as it will weather at a different rate to the rest.

fastbikes76

2,450 posts

123 months

Friday 14th June 2019
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Herbs said:
Id push for the whole lot to be replaced - it's got to come up anyway for the membrane to be relaid and if you are replacing a section, you will notice it as it will weather at a different rate to the rest.
Absolutely ! No ways would I be accepting ‘some’ boards replaced and not all. There will always be at least 6 months aging difference between old and new boards which WILL annoy you give the large sum you paid for it.

Personally I would tell the installers it’s not installed correctly and the lot needs redoing either through his company insurance or his own pocket. I would not be accepting a patch job.

Fb

Pj1972

Original Poster:

24 posts

64 months

Friday 14th June 2019
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ok thanks, i`ll push for the whole lot, i just checked and even the small boards have cupping. I removed one of the worst long boards this morning, it rained yesterday evening but dry since.
Heres some photos.




sidekickdmr

5,078 posts

207 months

Friday 14th June 2019
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Yep thats a replace whole lot job for sure, they will have to rip up the sub frame to lay membrane underneath too, basically all needs doing again from scratch with new materials.

Ouch, stupid mistake from the installer, and a costly one too if you can get them to honour their work

Pj1972

Original Poster:

24 posts

64 months

Friday 14th June 2019
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ouch! what a pain in the backside.
The timber joists are floating above what use to be a patio. surely they could put the membrane underneath the joists without starting from scratch? There looks an inch of so gap.

Cheers


sidekickdmr

5,078 posts

207 months

Friday 14th June 2019
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Ok, I assumed concreted/fixed to ground somehow.

If its just floating above a patio you may be able to get membrane underneath, or even forget the membrane altogether and leave subframe intact