A conclusion -Neighbour wanting a front extension,not happy.
Discussion
Badda said:
I seem to remember it wasn’t so much Herd mentality, rather you making some generally sweeping unpleasant statements about people with less money and how they maintain their (cheap) houses. You then threw your toys out and demanded the thread closed.
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Well if I were you I would go back and re-read it. The multiple PM emails I had speaking out about behavior in the thread backs this up. The very last post before closure was someone insisting that we should be spared no privilege of it not being granted as the area didn't warrant it, for crying out loud! :shrug:
I/we never judge people with less money than me/us, unless they're a feckless benefit cheat. We're not even rich! I accept that if someone keeps their cheap (no need for that unnecessary jibe BTW) in a right state then why shouldn't we aspire do do it better? Many in the village keep their houses nicely too.
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 30th June 10:03
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 30th June 10:54
HairyMaclary said:
Look forward to the planning appeal thread 
We don't know the reasons for refusal, yet - if it has been refused, it is not yet recorded as such on the Council's website, and they have yet to post the refusal notice and officer's report.It may well be that the reason(s) for refusal are easily addressed, and that the applicant can make use of their 'free go' to simply submit a revised application.
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
I accept that if someone keeps their cheap (no need for that unnecessary jibe BTW) in a right state then why shouldn't we aspire do do it better?
I think the problem was that you were 'aspiring' to tell other people how to live their lives.You can keep your own house however you please, of course... it doesn't give you a right to tell others how they should keep theirs.
Equus said:
We don't know the reasons for refusal, yet - if it has been refused, it is not yet recorded as such on the Council's website, and they have yet to post the refusal notice and officer's report.
It may well be that the reason(s) for refusal are easily addressed, and that the applicant can make use of their 'free go' to simply submit a revised application.
The reasons I stated are simply his relaying of how it went. He usually says it how it is, and I feel the mood from him was he's spent battling. I could of course be wrong. It may well be that the reason(s) for refusal are easily addressed, and that the applicant can make use of their 'free go' to simply submit a revised application.
My gut feeling on a re-submit, is that if he did so it would need to be presented in such a way to alleviate what appears to be their concerns. In that instance we would have ZERO issue with it. A tasteful porch on terrace is not what our preference would be (for our own house) but if that's what he got granted permission for, then fair play to him!
This is about they way he has gone about it. He confirmed (in my mind) yesterday that this is all about doing the job as cheaply possible. Our builder is competitive, and good, so I said to him 'why don't I send Adam round, then you can chat about other options, it may not cost you a fortune if you used him?' he replied 'but Adams isn't as cheap as me doing it myself'
On a side note, I only briefly touched on it, but our DC are hopeless at updating their portal, it may never be done.
Equus said:
I think the problem was that you were 'aspiring' to tell other people how to live their lives.
You can keep your own house however you please, of course... it doesn't give you a right to tell others how they should keep theirs.
Well I'm saddened that you feel that's how I came across, as that was not my intention. What I do stand by mind is that you don't have to sit back and put up with poor taste, literally at your own front door. You can keep your own house however you please, of course... it doesn't give you a right to tell others how they should keep theirs.
anonymous said:
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That cuts both ways - remember that the whole point of this and the previous thread was the OP 'hating' on his neighbours.anonymous said:
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Yes, I've had the odd dealing with Planners myself. They are 'short sighted' because they are working within the framework of the law.
Impact on neighbouring amenity is indeed a valid reason for a Planning application to be refused, but it has to be material (real, quantifiable) impact, not imagined/perceived.
Equus said:
anonymous said:
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That cuts both ways - remember that the whole point of this and the previous thread was the OP 'hating' on his neighbours.anonymous said:
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Yes, I've had the odd dealing with Planners myself. They are 'short sighted' because they are working within the framework of the law.
Impact on neighbouring amenity is indeed a valid reason for a Planning application to be refused, but it has to be material (real, quantifiable) impact, not imagined/perceived.
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
The reasons I stated are simply his relaying of how it went.
...What I meant was the reasons stated on the refusal notice.Planners can't and don't issue refusals (or approvals, for that matter) on the basis of a funny feeling in their little toe. They have to write an 'Officer's Report', explaining and justifying their decision in terms of 'adopted policy' (written and published rules, driven by Planning law and central Government policy on how it should be interpreted), and the actual refusal notice will give a brief explanation of the reasons and references of the policies it was felt to be in breach of... address those reasons with your free resubmission, and you'll gain an approval, simple as that.
Equus said:
...What I meant was the reasons stated on the refusal notice.
Planners can't and don't issue refusals (or approvals, for that matter) on the basis of a funny feeling in their little toe. They have to write an 'Officer's Report', explaining and justifying their decision in terms of 'adopted policy' (written and published rules, driven by Planning law and central Government policy on how it should be interpreted), and the actual refusal notice will give a brief explanation of the reasons and references of the policies it was felt to be in breach of... address those reasons with your free resubmission, and you'll gain an approval, simple as that.
I can accept that's so, yes. As mentioned we would then likely have little to no issue with it (depending on what he submitted) certainly none worth noting. Also zero if done in good taste. Planners can't and don't issue refusals (or approvals, for that matter) on the basis of a funny feeling in their little toe. They have to write an 'Officer's Report', explaining and justifying their decision in terms of 'adopted policy' (written and published rules, driven by Planning law and central Government policy on how it should be interpreted), and the actual refusal notice will give a brief explanation of the reasons and references of the policies it was felt to be in breach of... address those reasons with your free resubmission, and you'll gain an approval, simple as that.
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 30th June 10:42
No one is being uncivil here at all Fermit, you are just being extremely defensive of your previous thread and comments.
All I am saying is that when people disagree with you, you shut down the argument in any way you can. Be it thread closure, saying that others agree with you (google what condone means) by PM, etc etc. Yet the lure of attention is deep enough for you to reopen the topic in spite it being your choice to close it down.
You’re a strange one.
All I am saying is that when people disagree with you, you shut down the argument in any way you can. Be it thread closure, saying that others agree with you (google what condone means) by PM, etc etc. Yet the lure of attention is deep enough for you to reopen the topic in spite it being your choice to close it down.
You’re a strange one.
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
steve2 said:
Great news after all the hassle and stress, sorry that you have bad news on top of it though.
Thank you Steve, B7INNS and WR. It's not tragedy level, but very sad, S miscarried a few weeks ago, for the second time, at the end of our IVF program. It's knocked us for 6 somewhat.
Badda said:
No one is being uncivil here at all Fermit, you are just being extremely defensive of your previous thread and comments.
All I am saying is that when people disagree with you, you shut down the argument in any way you can. Be it thread closure, saying that others agree with you (google what condone means) by PM, etc etc. Yet the lure of attention is deep enough for you to reopen the topic in spite it being your choice to close it down.
You’re a strange one.
I agree in as much, that by and large) people are not being uncivil on this thread so far.All I am saying is that when people disagree with you, you shut down the argument in any way you can. Be it thread closure, saying that others agree with you (google what condone means) by PM, etc etc. Yet the lure of attention is deep enough for you to reopen the topic in spite it being your choice to close it down.
You’re a strange one.
The rest of your post I'm afraid seems to be off the mark.
I'm confident that I don't generally shut down arguments in anyway I can. I rarely argue on here, and try to take on board things, when people are pleasant about it.
My reason is to conclude the tale, as many were on side, and will likely be interested in the 'finale'
Attention seeking is at odds with posting up the OP's, then f
king off to the allotment till 7pm 
(if there were a post in between I came back once for 5 minutes to refill my ecig IIRC) And I do know the meaning of condone, more a muddle up in my hung over head. I'll edit my post.
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 30th June 10:51
anonymous said:
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We will drift off-topic, which will upset Fermit no end, if he's no longer the centre of attention...but what you are describing is the system of Planning Obligations (AKA Section 106 Agreements). If additional infrastructure is required to make the development acceptable, then a legal agreement is entered into so that the applicant/developer can pay for that.
Rightly or wrongly, it's a legitimate part of the way that the Planning process works, and the planners take a great deal of consideration of it. It's often one of the most carefully considered and negotiated aspects of major applications.
As I said, things happen the way they do because the Planners are working within the framework of the law.
Fermit, man, FFS do yourself a favour and (a) step way from PH for a bit and (b) when you come back, don't lay yourself so wide open and don't share so much of your personal life. Get someone to change your password and not give it back to you for a fortnight.
I'm very sorry indeed to hear about your IVF woes; MrsC and I have been through that, several times, entirely unsuccessfully, and I know what sort of feelings that can lead to. However, were I in that situ today, I wouldn't be posting threads on here which are likely to backfire on me, nor would I be telling the world why the backfire will have a greater impact than normal. Not saying you shouldn't talk about that, not at all, but not here, not like this. You're asking for it.
Unless all you crave is the attention, however it's delivered, then read my first para above and have a think.
None of what I've posted is meant to be abusive or nasty, it's just that you repeatedly lay yourself down on the floor and say "come on PH, I need another massive kicking please" - whether you realise that or not. I frequently cringe when you start a thread because it's obvious where it's going to go.
I know you'll say "why shouldn't I follow up on the thread about my neighbour's extension?", but the way in which you go about it leaves you wide wide open. Maybe if Sarah does read this, as you say she does, she can have a word in your ear.
(Oh and just for reference, "condoning" means supporting, agreeing with, etc)
I'm very sorry indeed to hear about your IVF woes; MrsC and I have been through that, several times, entirely unsuccessfully, and I know what sort of feelings that can lead to. However, were I in that situ today, I wouldn't be posting threads on here which are likely to backfire on me, nor would I be telling the world why the backfire will have a greater impact than normal. Not saying you shouldn't talk about that, not at all, but not here, not like this. You're asking for it.
Unless all you crave is the attention, however it's delivered, then read my first para above and have a think.
None of what I've posted is meant to be abusive or nasty, it's just that you repeatedly lay yourself down on the floor and say "come on PH, I need another massive kicking please" - whether you realise that or not. I frequently cringe when you start a thread because it's obvious where it's going to go.
I know you'll say "why shouldn't I follow up on the thread about my neighbour's extension?", but the way in which you go about it leaves you wide wide open. Maybe if Sarah does read this, as you say she does, she can have a word in your ear.
(Oh and just for reference, "condoning" means supporting, agreeing with, etc
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