Housing estate design of the last 20yrs - why so bad?
Discussion
anonymous said:
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1 . End the sale of new private leasehold houses with direct effect and the sale of private leasehold flats by the end of our first term in Government.
2 . End ground rents for new leasehold homes, and cap ground rents for existing leaseholders at 0 .1% of the property value, up to a maximum of £250 a year .
3 . Set a simple formula for leaseholders to buy the freehold to their home, or commonhold in the case of a flat, capped at 1% of the property value.
4 . Crack down on unfair fees and contract terms by publishing a reference list of reasonable charges, requiring transparency on service charges and giving leaseholders a right to challenge rip-off fees and conditions or poor performance from service companies.
5 . Give residents greater powers over the management of their homes, with new rights for flat- owners to form residents associations and by simplifying the Right to Manage .
2 . End ground rents for new leasehold homes, and cap ground rents for existing leaseholders at 0 .1% of the property value, up to a maximum of £250 a year .
3 . Set a simple formula for leaseholders to buy the freehold to their home, or commonhold in the case of a flat, capped at 1% of the property value.
4 . Crack down on unfair fees and contract terms by publishing a reference list of reasonable charges, requiring transparency on service charges and giving leaseholders a right to challenge rip-off fees and conditions or poor performance from service companies.
5 . Give residents greater powers over the management of their homes, with new rights for flat- owners to form residents associations and by simplifying the Right to Manage .
The only thing that's ringing alarm bells there is the proposal to apply the ban to private leasehold flats.
Leasehold as always been a viable and justifiable option on flats, as the alternatives are far from satisfactory.
Equus said:
cat with a hat said:
cmvtec said:
Here's an example from near me, the development is quite a sought after and prestigious one (Christ knows why, it's built on a pit head), but it is a stones throw from the beach. This is one of the main roads through the development and leads to the school and shops, so has a fair amount of traffic.
Every property has at least one parking space and/or garage to the rear, most have two. Yet, the road at the front...
Plan view, where all the rear parking is visible...
That is bonkers.Every property has at least one parking space and/or garage to the rear, most have two. Yet, the road at the front...
Plan view, where all the rear parking is visible...
No other way to put it.
This is a street on Charlie's vision for the future, Poundbury, which was held up as the model for all housing development and was the basis of PPG3:
Looks like a nice, twee market town, doesn't it?
And this is what goes on behind that nice street frontage, to prop up the parking requirments:
The reality is that most people do, and will continue to, undertake most of their journies by private car. Further to that, I would imagine most people also want to use the front door on the house they've given their hard earned for. Who wants to be creeping around in alleyways and driving under little archways in order to park their car, where they either have to then use their back door to get into their house, or walk back through the unpleasant little alleyway that they just drove through.
I'm really thankful to be living in one of the last "new" developments where all this took hold. Most houses have their own single car driveway, but there is sensible parking wherever possible, without dominating the development. People dont really dump their cars on the roadways, either. This was all finished in about 1993.
Design is a bit twee, but it had to be incorporated into a Victorian Infirmary that forms the centre of the place, also in a conservation area. There are 100+ properties on this one street and the parking is never a problem.
Not saying it's the best, but at least it doesn't suffer some of the problems very slightly newer developments do.
anonymous said:
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I have had a couple of sites that particularly spring to mind (in Brockworth, near Gloucester, and Pershore, near Worcester), where Section 106 agreements included specific contributions/measures for dealing with the dead people our development would apparently generate.Bit of a sore point, actually, as I always felt strongly that since then demographic of our purchasers (typically younger people) didn't tend to turn into corpses for many years to come, it wasn't an appropriate thing to ask for on a Section 106 (which is supposed to be there to pay for the infrastructure that's needed in advance/in parallel with a new development... long term future needs can be paid for by the Council Taxes paid by residents).
Equus said:
Classic PPG3, again.
This is a street on Charlie's vision for the future, Poundbury, which was held up as the model for all housing development and was the basis of PPG3:
Looks like a nice, twee market town, doesn't it?
And this is what goes on behind that nice street frontage, to prop up the parking requirments:
I'm sorry but I think that his vision is off the mark, I think it makes the area fill claustrophobic and too built up building the houses with no frontage etc and it dont even match up with the way people live their lives. This is a street on Charlie's vision for the future, Poundbury, which was held up as the model for all housing development and was the basis of PPG3:
Looks like a nice, twee market town, doesn't it?
And this is what goes on behind that nice street frontage, to prop up the parking requirments:
Edited by Tlandcruiser on Monday 15th July 18:29
Equus said:
I have had a couple of sites that particularly spring to mind (in Brockworth, near Gloucester, and Pershore, near Worcester), where Section 106 agreements included specific contributions/measures for dealing with the dead people our development would apparently generate.
Bit of a sore point, actually, as I always felt strongly that since then demographic of our purchasers (typically younger people) didn't tend to turn into corpses for many years to come, it wasn't an appropriate thing to ask for on a Section 106 (which is supposed to be there to pay for the infrastructure that's needed in advance/in parallel with a new development... long term future needs can be paid for by the Council Taxes paid by residents).
I'm involved with a development that is providing a new cemetery for the town (and 85 new homes). The cemetery provision was sorely needed and limited sites in the town (most of it is low lying and floody) and this was what got it over the line at planning committee. I'll be interested to see who our land guys will sell it to - Persimmon graves...Bit of a sore point, actually, as I always felt strongly that since then demographic of our purchasers (typically younger people) didn't tend to turn into corpses for many years to come, it wasn't an appropriate thing to ask for on a Section 106 (which is supposed to be there to pay for the infrastructure that's needed in advance/in parallel with a new development... long term future needs can be paid for by the Council Taxes paid by residents).
V8RX7 said:
Agreed, in my Uni year in industry (1992) I was working for a small developer, we were building very small 1 & 2 bed flats in 2 storey mews in Aquaduct Telford
IIRC they were £29,950 and £34,950 and we had people clamouring to buy them. As layout dictated considerable WIP the Sales Director was keen to shift them - we even took cars as deposits !
According to an online calculator thats £43k today
I'm 99% sure this was one of "ours"
https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/51137798...
£75k !
From the RPI £34,000 in 1992 = £77,000 now so that flat hasn’t even kept up with inflation. IIRC they were £29,950 and £34,950 and we had people clamouring to buy them. As layout dictated considerable WIP the Sales Director was keen to shift them - we even took cars as deposits !
According to an online calculator thats £43k today
I'm 99% sure this was one of "ours"
https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/51137798...
£75k !
Equus said:
anonymous said:
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I have had a couple of sites that particularly spring to mind (in Brockworth, near Gloucester, and Pershore, near Worcester), where Section 106 agreements included specific contributions/measures for dealing with the dead people our development would apparently generate.Bit of a sore point, actually, as I always felt strongly that since then demographic of our purchasers (typically younger people) didn't tend to turn into corpses for many years to come, it wasn't an appropriate thing to ask for on a Section 106 (which is supposed to be there to pay for the infrastructure that's needed in advance/in parallel with a new development... long term future needs can be paid for by the Council Taxes paid by residents).
Was that one of Paul's jobs?Thankyou4calling said:
V8RX7 said:
Agreed, in my Uni year in industry (1992) I was working for a small developer, we were building very small 1 & 2 bed flats in 2 storey mews in Aquaduct Telford
IIRC they were £29,950 and £34,950 and we had people clamouring to buy them. As layout dictated considerable WIP the Sales Director was keen to shift them - we even took cars as deposits !
According to an online calculator thats £43k today
I'm 99% sure this was one of "ours"
https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/51137798...
£75k !
From the RPI £34,000 in 1992 = £77,000 now so that flat hasn’t even kept up with inflation. IIRC they were £29,950 and £34,950 and we had people clamouring to buy them. As layout dictated considerable WIP the Sales Director was keen to shift them - we even took cars as deposits !
According to an online calculator thats £43k today
I'm 99% sure this was one of "ours"
https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/51137798...
£75k !
Equus said:
blueg33 said:
Managed to get away with that at Brockworth - maybe you guys picked it up so I didn't have to Was that one of Paul's jobs?
No, I don't think it was - I think it was one that we dealt with in-house... memory is getting hazy, though - it was a few years back, obviously. Was that one of Paul's jobs?V8RX7 said:
Could you decipher that ?
Sorry, I quickly wrote the post before I went to work.I was meaning to say how I dont agree with how new builds are promoted to being better than a "used a house" and as such demanding a higher premium.
I also dont understand how we have a housing shortage, when I can search in any town and find houses for sale.
Tlandcruiser said:
I also dont understand how we have a housing shortage, when I can search in any town and find houses for sale.
The shortage is of affordable housing in my opinion. I also wonder if people put off buying a crammed in lego box in favour of slumming it in Mum and Dads or cheap rentals until they can afford a house that is actually worth living in.
Edited by Brads67 on Tuesday 16th July 22:52
Edited by Brads67 on Tuesday 16th July 22:53
To my mind there isn’t a housing shortage in the UK.
Can anyone post an area where there are more people who want to live there than there are houses available?
That area would then have NO HOUSES FOR SALE.
Yet if you look on RM there are hundred for sale in every area. Therefore no shortage.
Not being able to afford them doesn’t equal a shortage.
I can’t afford an Aventador.
But if I could there would be one on my drive.
Can anyone post an area where there are more people who want to live there than there are houses available?
That area would then have NO HOUSES FOR SALE.
Yet if you look on RM there are hundred for sale in every area. Therefore no shortage.
Not being able to afford them doesn’t equal a shortage.
I can’t afford an Aventador.
But if I could there would be one on my drive.
Thankyou4calling said:
To my mind there isn’t a housing shortage in the UK.
Can anyone post an area where there are more people who want to live there than there are houses available?
That area would then have NO HOUSES FOR SALE.
Yet if you look on RM there are hundred for sale in every area. Therefore no shortage.
Not being able to afford them doesn’t equal a shortage.
I can’t afford an Aventador.
But if I could there would be one on my drive.
It doesn’t work like that!Can anyone post an area where there are more people who want to live there than there are houses available?
That area would then have NO HOUSES FOR SALE.
Yet if you look on RM there are hundred for sale in every area. Therefore no shortage.
Not being able to afford them doesn’t equal a shortage.
I can’t afford an Aventador.
But if I could there would be one on my drive.
Firstly you have churn so there will always be houses for sale.
Second, there are people sharing houses with parents, with spouses they have divorced etc,
third, there are homeless people all over the place
Forth, there are thousands living in b&b
Fith, regeneration of slums means houses get demolished, the occupants have to move
I am sorry, but your statement demonstrates that you haven’t got the first clue.
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