Avoiding PAT testing on a rental..
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WindyMills said:
PAT testing is not mandatory. End of.
Having it done is no guarantee to prevent a fire. And the council won't fine you if not done.
It is used by competent people and organisations to demonstrate that it has been checked and any repairs carried out. The frequency depends with usage.
People choose not to do it, I don't know what they will tell insurance/police/magistrate if it all goes tits up.
I know you’re talking England but for clarity for those north of the border:Having it done is no guarantee to prevent a fire. And the council won't fine you if not done.
It is used by competent people and organisations to demonstrate that it has been checked and any repairs carried out. The frequency depends with usage.
People choose not to do it, I don't know what they will tell insurance/police/magistrate if it all goes tits up.
https://www.select.org.uk/for-the-public/landlords...
WindyMills said:
PAT testing is not mandatory. End of.
Having it done is no guarantee to prevent a fire. And the council won't fine you if not done.
It is used by competent people and organisations to demonstrate that it has been checked and any repairs carried out. The frequency depends with usage.
People choose not to do it, I don't know what they will tell insurance/police/magistrate if it all goes tits up.
This isn't so much about what is legally required - it is the agent's conditions before they will rent and manage it. Having it done is no guarantee to prevent a fire. And the council won't fine you if not done.
It is used by competent people and organisations to demonstrate that it has been checked and any repairs carried out. The frequency depends with usage.
People choose not to do it, I don't know what they will tell insurance/police/magistrate if it all goes tits up.
And they are pretty much the only agent I have found who will rent it - as the owner is now a Landlord, and she has dementia - she won't even remember that she has signed the agreement. There is no POA in place, and I have spoken to her solicitor who basically said "As long as anything you do is in her best interest, the Dean (of the Court of Protection, I think) won't prosecute you".
I manage her financial matters and everything else, and have a huge file of receipts that I will basically have to keep until she dies.
WindyMills said:
2Btoo said:
Erm, PAT testing is not mandatory for things in rental properties. They only need to be inspected by 'a competent person' for obvious faults (loose plugs, worn cables etc).
Have I missed something?
PAT testing is not mandatory. End of.Have I missed something?
Having it done is no guarantee to prevent a fire. And the council won't fine you if not done.
It is used by competent people and organisations to demonstrate that it has been checked and any repairs carried out. The frequency depends with usage.
People choose not to do it, I don't know what they will tell insurance/police/magistrate if it all goes tits up.
We on behalf of the owners were able to prove that the EICR report was done and passed and also the PAT tests were done correctly. It turned out the tenant has plugged in their own freezer which was faulty and the fire came from their plug. Not the landlords socket.
If you can imagine the criminal and legal issues that would arise if someone had been killed is awful. I dont want to be on Bubba soap list. Dont fek around with getting the right safety tests done.
Edited by superlightr on Wednesday 23 October 14:53
Simon Brooks said:
Just remove them, if they go wrong they are your responsibility, only thing you may want is a certificate to say electrics are safe and gas safe certificate
unfurnished means unfurnished, dont give yourself the grief
Thinking that is probably the best bet. There is a freezer, a washing machine, and a tumble dryer in the garage as well that I had forgotten about. There's a fridge freezer in the kitchen but as it's built in I presume it won't need tested - it is an old "De Deitrich" if I remember right.unfurnished means unfurnished, dont give yourself the grief
Would the landlord be responsible if it broke down? It's been there for about 10 years, and is an odd size - it packed up once and was fixed, but in the meantime I was looking for a replacement and the only thing that would fit was £2000 delivered!
guindilias said:
Northern Ireland!
This explains the differences pretty well even if it’s not entirely accurate https://www.directlineforbusiness.co.uk/landlord-i...
You’ll prob get better advice on a Northern Ireland specific landlord forum...
My understanding is the PAT Regulations were brought in as approx 50 people a year were dying from electric shock in their place of work each year. Reducing fires appears to be a secondary benefit.
The PAT Regulations are not law more a code of good practice.
As the Highway Code is a good guide to safe driving much of it isn’t law as such. However if you were stopped whilst doing something daft on the road the Highway Code could be used in evidence to prove you weren’t driving in the proscribed manner and you could be convicted of whatever you were charged with.
Similarly the PAT Regulations could be used against you if you failed to comply and someone was burned, shocked or even killed. I have a vague recollection that some years ago the HSE were in process of prosecuting someone for Corporate Manslaughter using these regs as evidence. I believe the tariff is about 10 years.
Considering the income on the place just get it done or remove the items. Just not worth the risk.
The PAT Regulations are not law more a code of good practice.
As the Highway Code is a good guide to safe driving much of it isn’t law as such. However if you were stopped whilst doing something daft on the road the Highway Code could be used in evidence to prove you weren’t driving in the proscribed manner and you could be convicted of whatever you were charged with.
Similarly the PAT Regulations could be used against you if you failed to comply and someone was burned, shocked or even killed. I have a vague recollection that some years ago the HSE were in process of prosecuting someone for Corporate Manslaughter using these regs as evidence. I believe the tariff is about 10 years.
Considering the income on the place just get it done or remove the items. Just not worth the risk.
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