The what does a kitchen cost thread!?

[loughran]

hotchy said:

Still cant believe the price for a kitchen. £2000 for a larder!?! The same essential bit of wood that your single bedroom cuboard is that costs £100 with a fancy door on and a "larder" tag put on. There is the door. Goodbye. If everyone refused to pay it, the price would miraculously drop to sensible affordable levels. Nope, everyone just pays the cheap £300 a month for life instead.

Still cant believe the price for a Bentley. £200000 for a car!?! The same essential mode of transport that your Lada is that costs £10000 with fancy doors on and a "Bentley" tag put on. There is the door. Goodbye. If everyone refused to pay it, the price would miraculously drop to sensible affordable levels.



Horses for courses. You can't expect people who have the means and enjoy quality products to make do with stty kitchens.

[Wozy68]

jason61c said:

hotchy said:

Still cant believe the price for a kitchen. £2000 for a larder!?! The same essential bit of wood that your single bedroom cuboard is that costs £100 with a fancy door on and a "larder" tag put on. There is the door. Goodbye. If everyone refused to pay it, the price would miraculously drop to sensible affordable levels. Nope, everyone just pays the cheap £300 a month for life instead.

Good rant. Have you seen a nicely built larder unit? not quite a single bedroom cupboard.

Yup just a single bedroom cupboard with a fancy door to make a larder

[So]

jason61c said:

Sorry, I know its a hateful topic.

I'm looking at a kitchen, as the layout below






A diy kitchens cost is about 10k less worktops/appliances.

My Mrs likes the Devol shaker ones, I also like them.

I want to see some nice joins/feel of quality, dove tail joints......

A local place that made a door for me is going to quote, 18mm MFC carcass, screwed and glued construction(no cam locks), Blum runners, dovetail joints on all the draws, bits you see.

How much am I getting into? Whats the normal ballpark for a kitchen this size/number of units? Whats the best way to do worktops?

We've got that style of kitchen and an Aga.

Having two ovens in two different locations is not sensible, IMHO, for a number of reasons.

We have an Aga with an electric module attached, which sees most of the summer use. If it were me, I'd put the Aga with a module where you currently have the hob and oven.

Also, I would extend that island unit if there is space.

I've not looked at their range for a while, but Prentice kitchens used to do that style quite well. The one we bought was essentially "modified modular" but looks bespoke. Our guy who fitted it was exceptionally good.

[hotchy]

loughran said:

hotchy said:

Still cant believe the price for a kitchen. £2000 for a larder!?! The same essential bit of wood that your single bedroom cuboard is that costs £100 with a fancy door on and a "larder" tag put on. There is the door. Goodbye. If everyone refused to pay it, the price would miraculously drop to sensible affordable levels. Nope, everyone just pays the cheap £300 a month for life instead.

Still cant believe the price for a Bentley. £200000 for a car!?! The same essential mode of transport that your Lada is that costs £10000 with fancy doors on and a "Bentley" tag put on. There is the door. Goodbye. If everyone refused to pay it, the price would miraculously drop to sensible affordable levels.



Horses for courses. You can't expect people who have the means and enjoy quality products to make do with stty kitchens.

High end you expect to be alot. It's your cheap affordable homebase etc charging 1000s for what's essentially a cheap cuboard.

Yes I spent more than that on mine and I'm salty because I could have got a new car if she could live with the old green kitchen...

[hotchy]

Wozy68 said:

jason61c said:

hotchy said:

Still cant believe the price for a kitchen. £2000 for a larder!?! The same essential bit of wood that your single bedroom cuboard is that costs £100 with a fancy door on and a "larder" tag put on. There is the door. Goodbye. If everyone refused to pay it, the price would miraculously drop to sensible affordable levels. Nope, everyone just pays the cheap £300 a month for life instead.

Good rant. Have you seen a nicely built larder unit? not quite a single bedroom cupboard.

Yup just a single bedroom cupboard with a fancy door to make a larder

To be fair that fancy single cuboard is bigger than my kitchen.

[Pinoyuk]

Artichoke are a good company for handmade kitchens . But DIY are just about impossible to beat value for money .

[jason61c]

Some grim pics of the room as it is against the render stuff..

[loughran]

I like the inglenook, that beam is lovely.

[Pinoyuk]

I love the look of the property . But where is the fridge going . I hate to have to be “walking “ around a kitchen . A good designer places the 3 main points to be within 3-4 steps of each other . Unlike one kitchen I know that cost £50k plus (England lane st as usual !!) and the distance from the hob to the fridge or work surface was about 6-7 steps !

[PositronicRay]

BaldOldMan said:

Think zones and how you're going to use the space.

Where will you prepare food - where is that food stored prior to prep - proximity to sink & bin

Cooking and transition from prep area to cooking

Dishing up & places for hot pans, baking trays etc. draining and transition to washing up

Will you have people sitting at the island whilst you're preparing and/or cooking food. How many people are likely to be involved in the cooking & is there space to coexist amicably ?

Work through the flow of how you will use it & it will help tweak where things go.

I was with some friends the other evening, sink in their island unit. Ended up looking gash as dirty stuff piled up on the centre piece.

[jason61c]

I won't have a sink on the island, its got to be looking over the window(mrs says).

Fridge is going as you walk in on the left in the alcove next to the cruck frame(its deeper there so will sit flush with a 400mm deep larder unit).




This is the post that sits away from the wall



I've got the space to make the island unit longer, 2m or so. if needs be I could put a small built in fridge under there.

[hotchy]

Thatll be some transformation, you should get a build thread up for it.

[jason61c]

hotchy said:

Thatll be some transformation, you should get a build thread up for it.

Its the whole building...... I might do an overview to bring things to where they are now.

[PositronicRay]

jason61c said:

Some grim pics of the room as it is against the render stuff..

Call me a heathen, but I prefer the before photos. I'd tidy it up, retain the idiosyncrasies and buy some free standing units.

[jason61c]

Pinoyuk said:

I love the look of the property . But where is the fridge going . I hate to have to be “walking “ around a kitchen . A good designer places the 3 main points to be within 3-4 steps of each other . Unlike one kitchen I know that cost £50k plus (England lane st as usual !!) and the distance from the hob to the fridge or work surface was about 6-7 steps !

its not really possible given the shape/layout of the room.

There's only one decent sized window, so we're not having anything high up along the outer walls that could cast a shadow/block light.

[RobXjcoupe]

Bit of a cheap and cheerful kitchen I did a couple of years ago. Breakfast bar doubles up as a food prep area between fridge and sink also as plating up surface from ovens . No traditional working triangle design but it works well.
Fortunately we still have the original brick built pantry from the 1930’s house it is. Plenty of storage space and the original coal storage converted to a snug utility room just wide enough for a tumble dryer and washing machine. Keeps those noisy machines out of the kitchen space I thought.


The raised level for the washing machine allows easier access to its drain which in turn allows the machine to be gravity drained when the pump gets clogged up or stops working. Every machine I’ve ever owned has done it some time or other.

[So]

So said:

jason61c said:

Sorry, I know its a hateful topic.

I'm looking at a kitchen, as the layout below






A diy kitchens cost is about 10k less worktops/appliances.

My Mrs likes the Devol shaker ones, I also like them.

I want to see some nice joins/feel of quality, dove tail joints......

A local place that made a door for me is going to quote, 18mm MFC carcass, screwed and glued construction(no cam locks), Blum runners, dovetail joints on all the draws, bits you see.

How much am I getting into? Whats the normal ballpark for a kitchen this size/number of units? Whats the best way to do worktops?

We've got that style of kitchen and an Aga.

Having two ovens in two different locations is not sensible, IMHO, for a number of reasons.

We have an Aga with an electric module attached, which sees most of the summer use. If it were me, I'd put the Aga with a module where you currently have the hob and oven.

Also, I would extend that island unit if there is space.

I've not looked at their range for a while, but Prentice kitchens used to do that style quite well. The one we bought was essentially "modified modular" but looks bespoke. Our guy who fitted it was exceptionally good.

Another consideration may be moving the Aga to where I have suggested, then raising (or replacing) the oak lintel to create a full-height pantry.

I'd then move the fridge / freezer from where you currently have it to between the pantry and the window, thus creating a"working triangle" between cooker-sink-fridge/pantry.

[Wozy68]

loughran said:

I like the inglenook, that beam is lovely.

Yup .....

[jason61c]

So said:

Another consideration may be moving the Aga to where I have suggested, then raising (or replacing) the oak lintel to create a full-height pantry.

I'd then move the fridge / freezer from where you currently have it to between the pantry and the window, thus creating a"working triangle" between cooker-sink-fridge/pantry.

It’s a good idea however that beam has been there about 4-500 years, it’s also buried into the cob wall and supporting tonnes of stone above. It’d be a sin to move it, with a house like this, there’s always a case of making do with what you’ve got.

Also up inside the the inglenook is the original meat smoking bar and stone pots.

It’ll lit inside from up high to create some ambient light

[lewisf182]

jason61c said:

So said:

Another consideration may be moving the Aga to where I have suggested, then raising (or replacing) the oak lintel to create a full-height pantry.

I'd then move the fridge / freezer from where you currently have it to between the pantry and the window, thus creating a"working triangle" between cooker-sink-fridge/pantry.

It’s a good idea however that beam has been there about 4-500 years, it’s also buried into the cob wall and supporting tonnes of stone above. It’d be a sin to move it, with a house like this, there’s always a case of making do with what you’ve got.

Also up inside the the inglenook is the original meat smoking bar and stone pots.

It’ll lit inside from up high to create some ambient light

I think the design looks fine tbh. I’ve got a relatively big kitchen now and the bins not too close to food prep area, its not that much of a struggle really as using a chopping board you just take the waste across on that...

That kitchen is going to look absolutely lovely in that room though with those gorgeous features! Love the brickwork and beams...!