The what does a kitchen cost thread!?

[Sheepshanks]

I don't know how common these places are, but when we replaced our kitchen we used a local place that had a workshop / small factory attached and they manufacturered and built the units themselves.

It's just a pretty ordinary kitchen, but we wanted to work into an alcove with a built-in oven and American side-by-side fridge freezer and the neat thing was they could custom size the units, included the doors, for that. Everything else is standard, although they juggled around with doors for the sink base unit so the split of the sizes is non-standard.

It was a pretty similar price to buying units from B&Q etc. Units all came ready built - I assembled units for a kitchen a while ago and I recall it taking quite a while to do them all, which I hadn't allowed for.

The only negative thing about the kitchen is shelf edges haven't stood up well where my wife bangs things into them as she's putting them away.

[singlecoil]

How about something like this

Jason kitchen draft 1 hob wall by Elliott and Nolan, on Flickr

Jason PH first draft island and range by Elliott and Nolan, on Flickr

These are not renders, they're screenshots of the Sketchup model.

As you can see my style tends to be a lot simpler and has less fussy detail.

[Pinoyuk]

And don’t run the copper pipes through walls like this ! Use plastic pipe etc first as a sleeve .

[jason61c]

Pinoyuk said:

And don’t run the copper pipes through walls like this ! Use plastic pipe etc first as a sleeve .

They are through plastic sleeves!?

[Mr Pointy]

Is there a dishwasher behind one of these doors? If not, there isn't nearly enough draining space to the right of the sink to allow for a double sink.

[singlecoil]

Mr Pointy said:

Is there a dishwasher behind one of these doors? If not, there isn't nearly enough draining space to the right of the sink to allow for a double sink.

It pretty much follows the general layout of the OPs layout, which I assume was done to reflect his (their) requirements and tastes. The integrated dishwasher is on the hob wall, which, from the left, goes pan drawer unit, hob and oven, pan drawer unit, integrated dishwasher, magic corner. On the sink wall any of the units (including the sink base) could be a bin unit. Matter of choice.

[Mr Pointy]

singlecoil said:

Mr Pointy said:

Is there a dishwasher behind one of these doors? If not, there isn't nearly enough draining space to the right of the sink to allow for a double sink.

It pretty much follows the general layout of the OPs layout, which I assume was done to reflect his (their) requirements and tastes. The integrated dishwasher is on the hob wall, which, from the left, goes pan drawer unit, hob and oven, pan drawer unit, integrated dishwasher, magic corner. On the sink wall any of the units (including the sink base) could be a bin unit. Matter of choice.

Ah yes I see it now on his plan.

[So]

jason61c said:

So said:

Another consideration may be moving the Aga to where I have suggested, then raising (or replacing) the oak lintel to create a full-height pantry.

I'd then move the fridge / freezer from where you currently have it to between the pantry and the window, thus creating a"working triangle" between cooker-sink-fridge/pantry.

It’s a good idea however that beam has been there about 4-500 years, it’s also buried into the cob wall and supporting tonnes of stone above. It’d be a sin to move it, with a house like this, there’s always a case of making do with what you’ve got.

Also up inside the the inglenook is the original meat smoking bar and stone pots.

It’ll lit inside from up high to create some ambient light

Ah, that changes things. The age of the lintel and weight of stone isn't an issue, but I agree that if it still has original features internally I would keep it.

Personally I still wouldn't split up the range and the oven / hob, I'd put a module next to the Aga (it looks like there is room) and I'd still put the refrigeration to the right of the window. I wouldn't leave gaps either side as the design is currently.

I'd also think carefully about the distance between the island and the range because that is where you are going to want to spin round and put stuff.

To my eye, the original layout will doesn't work well in terms of flow and travel between key points won't become second nature. The refrigeration is too far away and whilst you'll be switching off the Aga in May it will will be mid-July before you've imprinted in your subconscious that you're now cooking on the other side of the kitchen.

I'd also see if you can get an extractor above the Aga. You aren't supposed to, but we use ours all the time.

Are you going to keep the brickwork exposed above the Aga?

Edited to add, I'd try to get a table and chairs in towards the door. Especially if you have children it's helpful to have homework going on at the table, supervised by the parent cooking, and then tea can be served on the island so that the history homework doesn't get coated in bolognese sauce.

Edited by So on Sunday 27th October 17:57

[Pinoyuk]

jason61c said:

They are through plastic sleeves!?

Ok ! Even so , I tend to outer sleeve . Just in case . Once all bonded /rendered in etc . Its hard to change over etc if required .I love sleeves . Protects everything and allows good cable runs as well .

[jason61c]

Pinoyuk said:

Ok ! Even so , I tend to outer sleeve . Just in case . Once all bonded /rendered in etc . Its hard to change over etc if required .I love sleeves . Protects everything and allows good cable runs as well .

Everything is sleeved. that walls 950mm thick!

[Pinoyuk]

Ok, hard to see from the pics !

[loughran]

jason61c said:

Some grim pics of the room as it is against the render stuff..

Reminds me of my place 5 years ago.



Going back to your original post, that layout doesn't look too far away from what I'd do, I think it works quite well considering.

Where about in Lincs are you ?

Edited by loughran on Sunday 27th October 19:49

[So]

Also OP I know of a kitchen company near you that will do a good job for you. There are caveats to that comment. Mail me if you wish.

[dmsims]

Wozy68 said:

loughran said:

I like the inglenook, that beam is lovely.

Yup .....

Me three

The new design is an improvement ???

[jason61c]

Thanks all, great thread!

So, we've decided that the inglenook will have one of these in

https://www.esse.com/the-ironheart-range/ironheart...

just going to get a used one though, it'll look right and be used about 4 days a year

for the main oven we're gong to get a 100cm range in with gas hob.

[singlecoil]

jason61c said:

just going to get a used one though, it'll look right and be used about 4 days a year

I expect your dog would like you to use it more often than that, with a nice big bean bag in front of it!

Good thinking re the range.

[robinessex]

Log into Axminster.

https://www.axminster.co.uk/?gclid=CjwKCAjwo9rtBRA...

Look up the special tools and bits and pieces that help to make a cupboard a doddle. Invest in about £500 - £1,000 of tools. Buy decent material from a local timber company who'll recommend what's needed. Comb eBay for bargains. Then build your own. I've done that twice for my Step-daughter, built two custom kitchens, one for her first flat, the next for her bungalow. Approximately £5,000 each including all appliances and granite tops. Plus I've still got the £1,000 worth of tools !!

[jason61c]

robinessex said:

Log into Axminster.

https://www.axminster.co.uk/?gclid=CjwKCAjwo9rtBRA...

Look up the special tools and bits and pieces that help to make a cupboard a doddle. Invest in about £500 - £1,000 of tools. Buy decent material from a local timber company who'll recommend what's needed. Comb eBay for bargains. Then build your own. I've done that twice for my Step-daughter, built two custom kitchens, one for her first flat, the next for her bungalow. Approximately £5,000 each including all appliances and granite tops. Plus I've still got the £1,000 worth of tools !!

I'd love to, i'd enjoy it, however i'm busy restoring the rest of the house, work, 3 kids etc etc etc.

[singlecoil]

robinessex said:

Log into Axminster.

https://www.axminster.co.uk/?gclid=CjwKCAjwo9rtBRA...

Look up the special tools and bits and pieces that help to make a cupboard a doddle. Invest in about £500 - £1,000 of tools. Buy decent material from a local timber company who'll recommend what's needed. Comb eBay for bargains. Then build your own. I've done that twice for my Step-daughter, built two custom kitchens, one for her first flat, the next for her bungalow. Approximately £5,000 each including all appliances and granite tops. Plus I've still got the £1,000 worth of tools !!

There's a couple of things there that I'd like to take a small amount of issue with, if that's ok.

One thing that's very true with kitchen making is that one can exchange speed of production for low cost of capital outlay. So by all means buy a hand plane, a hand saw and a bench with vice etc, but the amount of time it would take to make a decent kitchen that way would not only be completely uneconomic for somebody who was hoping to make money at it, but also uneconomic for anybody who valued their spare time at more then 10p an hour.

And the other is that only a few people will be lucky enough to live close to a timber merchant who would even know what was required let alone sell it.

[singlecoil]

Second go, bit more in keeping with the age of the building (apart from the extractor which is just a generic one for the moment).

Jason PH second draft range by Elliott and Nolan, on Flickr

Jason kitchen draft 2 Esse by Elliott and Nolan, on Flickr

I've drawn cupboards either side of the Esse as placeholders but perhaps some sort of fuel storage arrangement might be more appropriate? I expect it will get quite hot when it's in use. I'm also a bit concerned about the nearest cupboards to the Esse on the sink wall.