Bungalow Renovation - FloorPlan Critique Required
Discussion
I now have two new options for this.
1. Large family bathroom that can take a walk-in shower and separate bath and has a second WC in the utility room.
2. Smaller family bath with shower over and an en-suite. May also have the wc in the utility in this option too.
The obvious option is the en-suite one BUT it does leave a less than ideal hallway shape. We're looking at ways to mitigate this but not sure how big an issue the hallway is anyway. May also put a Velux or sun pipe in the hallway to lighten and also a Velux in Bed 3 as there's not huge amounts of light due to neighbour's hedge.
Regarding the roof, we're looking into replacing the whole thing BUT I think it's going to be too big a job and maybe not a good use of funds so we're currently looking at taking the pitched roof off of the dining area and replacing that with a flat roof right across the entire back of the house (with roof a lantern over the dining) and extending the existing gable over the garage to give better balance. Possibly will have an overhang over the flat roof.
The only decision then is do we have the flat roof extend over the new living room extension or have a pitched roof on the living roof running into the new flat roof.
Thoughts very much welcome.
OPTION 1
OPTION 2
1. Large family bathroom that can take a walk-in shower and separate bath and has a second WC in the utility room.
2. Smaller family bath with shower over and an en-suite. May also have the wc in the utility in this option too.
The obvious option is the en-suite one BUT it does leave a less than ideal hallway shape. We're looking at ways to mitigate this but not sure how big an issue the hallway is anyway. May also put a Velux or sun pipe in the hallway to lighten and also a Velux in Bed 3 as there's not huge amounts of light due to neighbour's hedge.
Regarding the roof, we're looking into replacing the whole thing BUT I think it's going to be too big a job and maybe not a good use of funds so we're currently looking at taking the pitched roof off of the dining area and replacing that with a flat roof right across the entire back of the house (with roof a lantern over the dining) and extending the existing gable over the garage to give better balance. Possibly will have an overhang over the flat roof.
The only decision then is do we have the flat roof extend over the new living room extension or have a pitched roof on the living roof running into the new flat roof.
Thoughts very much welcome.
OPTION 1
OPTION 2
ben5575 said:
Julietbravo said:
Option 2, but put a door at the back of the garage into the utility. That way the utility becomes a drying/boot room/dog walker's entrance as required.
We are in our first home that has had a connected garage and it gets used all the time; the big freezer in the garage with the beer fridge as well as the medicine cabinet. Plus when I come home on the bike soaking wet, I have an easy route into the house via the 'drying room'. 10/10 would recommend.
Last post I promise, also agree with this. The utility width is plenty big enough to have a smaller WC than you're showing and a door between utility and garage next to it....We are in our first home that has had a connected garage and it gets used all the time; the big freezer in the garage with the beer fridge as well as the medicine cabinet. Plus when I come home on the bike soaking wet, I have an easy route into the house via the 'drying room'. 10/10 would recommend.
ben5575 said:
Looks really good btw and also scarily similar to my own bungalow extension particularly given your introduction of the canopy!
The key is the visual connection between the inside/outside ceiling/soffit (top tip you can build the soffit out of fire board to maintain the indoor plaster effect, outside).
The bifold needs to go to full ceiling height and not have an internally visible head above it. You can cheat this look by having a bulkhead/shadow gap that stops just short of the door. That will mean a new ceiling, but you'll be installing one anyway due to your demolitions.
This is different structural solution (note internal ceiling adjacent to door relates to structure above and is not continuous like you'll have - scroll down): https://www.architecture.com/awards-and-competitio...
You will have to deal with door/beam conflict and in particular my absolute pet hate of a fat, heavy looking facia on the upstand of your canopy - it need to be look lightweight (and not have rainwater goods on it). You can cheat by stepping up/back the coping. But this projecting element of roof doesn't need to be as 'thick' as the rest of the roof as it's non structural nor insulated.
This other RIBA house has nothing to do with this canopy design solution, but does show how important the delicacy of the coping detail is to the overall aesthetic: https://www.architecture.com/awards-and-competitio...
Thanks for these. Then architect has already talked about making the overhangs with a much smaller profile than the rest of the roof.The key is the visual connection between the inside/outside ceiling/soffit (top tip you can build the soffit out of fire board to maintain the indoor plaster effect, outside).
The bifold needs to go to full ceiling height and not have an internally visible head above it. You can cheat this look by having a bulkhead/shadow gap that stops just short of the door. That will mean a new ceiling, but you'll be installing one anyway due to your demolitions.
This is different structural solution (note internal ceiling adjacent to door relates to structure above and is not continuous like you'll have - scroll down): https://www.architecture.com/awards-and-competitio...
You will have to deal with door/beam conflict and in particular my absolute pet hate of a fat, heavy looking facia on the upstand of your canopy - it need to be look lightweight (and not have rainwater goods on it). You can cheat by stepping up/back the coping. But this projecting element of roof doesn't need to be as 'thick' as the rest of the roof as it's non structural nor insulated.
This other RIBA house has nothing to do with this canopy design solution, but does show how important the delicacy of the coping detail is to the overall aesthetic: https://www.architecture.com/awards-and-competitio...
Thanks for all the suggestions chaps, I'll spend some time looking through these.
A few other points:
Regarding the utility, we already have easy access from outside via the garden which will always be our preferred way of coming home when soaking wet. I'm not sure what value an additional 3rd door via the garage will give in our case. We've also got plenty of space for all our storage and wine requirements in the kitchen we believe but we will have a second fridge in the utility so will look at it all. If I'm missing the point please jump in!
The living room will have a 'door. solution so that we can close it off as required.
I spoke to the estate agent this morning who's view is that as a three bedder the property would benefit more from one large luxury bathroom rather than two slightly compromised (size) bathrooms/en-suites. 95% of the time the house has just the two of us living here with occasional guest so it's not an issue for me so I called the agent to see her view on resale. Guess this might be one of those things that will come down to a last minute personal choice as I prefer the hallway setup with 1 bathroom but would really like an en-suite if possible.
Thanks again chaps!
PS. There will be a sink in the kitchen
A few other points:
Regarding the utility, we already have easy access from outside via the garden which will always be our preferred way of coming home when soaking wet. I'm not sure what value an additional 3rd door via the garage will give in our case. We've also got plenty of space for all our storage and wine requirements in the kitchen we believe but we will have a second fridge in the utility so will look at it all. If I'm missing the point please jump in!
The living room will have a 'door. solution so that we can close it off as required.
I spoke to the estate agent this morning who's view is that as a three bedder the property would benefit more from one large luxury bathroom rather than two slightly compromised (size) bathrooms/en-suites. 95% of the time the house has just the two of us living here with occasional guest so it's not an issue for me so I called the agent to see her view on resale. Guess this might be one of those things that will come down to a last minute personal choice as I prefer the hallway setup with 1 bathroom but would really like an en-suite if possible.
Thanks again chaps!
PS. There will be a sink in the kitchen
ben5575 said:
garyhun said:
Do you mean giving the WC a jack and Jill set of doors - one to the utility and one to the garage?
No sorry I meant reducing the size of the wc room itself and adding another door to the garage adjacent to it. The single door could be in the garage wall which would mean you'd have a sort of open lobby (e.g. not closed off) area which would be open to the utility where you could put some hooks for coats etc (depending on dims of course).
But now looks like wine storage is more important and I'm all up for that!
soxboy said:
Could you put a small lobby area behind the door from the kitchen into the utility, with one door off for the garage, one for the cloakroom and one for the utility room?
Could also look at putting the door from the utility into the garden in a more central position on order that you can have a line of units/ storage down each side of the room.
Unfortunately I am away from a printer and scanner so I can't do any images.
All possible.Could also look at putting the door from the utility into the garden in a more central position on order that you can have a line of units/ storage down each side of the room.
Unfortunately I am away from a printer and scanner so I can't do any images.
Been playing around with the plans today and have managed to get a decent (3000x2500) bathroom and ensuite by switching Bed 3 to the master which allows me to bring out the wall in the hallway to free up the extra space. We're going to put a glass panel in the ceiling of Bed 3 above the bed where the flat roof starts to give that room the wow it needs as a master, even if it's not the biggest.
We're definitely going for the WC in the utility and I've asked the architect to look into the door from utility to garage.
Thanks all for the really useful ideas - it's very much appreciated.
Think this is the winner now!
We're definitely going for the WC in the utility and I've asked the architect to look into the door from utility to garage.
Thanks all for the really useful ideas - it's very much appreciated.
Think this is the winner now!
Getting close to the final plan now.... I hope! We decided to forget making the side bedroom into the master as it suffers from a lack of any view and could be a little too compromised as a master.
Architect has come up with the below which I'm not keen on due to the loss of the corner of the kitchen and island size to extend the hall to allow access to the study/music room and have a decent size main bathroom.
I've worked on 2 options to this as below and would be keen to get opinions .... again.
OPTION1 (ignore the size of the island - it will be much longer)
OPTION2
Option 1 keeps the door to the kitchen where it is in the original but the L-shaped wall on the left is flipped to allow the run of kitchen units to be longer and keep a larger island.
Option 2 takes the door back to the rear kitchen wall (bottom wall in kitchen in the picture) and leaves the kitchen as a large square space. This means that we move the door to the third bed/study into the living room.
As the study will only be used as a third bedroom on very rare occasions (less than 6 times a year) the compromise of having the door in the living room works for us but I'd be keen to know if I'm missing anything here and whether it's not a good idea. I'd aim to have a run of bookcases on that wall in the living room and thought I'd have a hidden door in the bookcase.
Then other advantage of Option 2 is that we can steal about 600mm of the Study if we want and enlarge the bathroom by that amount.
Keeping the wall between study and bathroom as it currently stands in the pictures gives room dimensions of study 3200 x 3800 and bathroom 2900 x 2100.
Moving it would mean study 3200 x 3200 and the bathroom 2900 x 2700
Your thoughts, as always, greatly appreciated.
Architect has come up with the below which I'm not keen on due to the loss of the corner of the kitchen and island size to extend the hall to allow access to the study/music room and have a decent size main bathroom.
I've worked on 2 options to this as below and would be keen to get opinions .... again.
OPTION1 (ignore the size of the island - it will be much longer)
OPTION2
Option 1 keeps the door to the kitchen where it is in the original but the L-shaped wall on the left is flipped to allow the run of kitchen units to be longer and keep a larger island.
Option 2 takes the door back to the rear kitchen wall (bottom wall in kitchen in the picture) and leaves the kitchen as a large square space. This means that we move the door to the third bed/study into the living room.
As the study will only be used as a third bedroom on very rare occasions (less than 6 times a year) the compromise of having the door in the living room works for us but I'd be keen to know if I'm missing anything here and whether it's not a good idea. I'd aim to have a run of bookcases on that wall in the living room and thought I'd have a hidden door in the bookcase.
Then other advantage of Option 2 is that we can steal about 600mm of the Study if we want and enlarge the bathroom by that amount.
Keeping the wall between study and bathroom as it currently stands in the pictures gives room dimensions of study 3200 x 3800 and bathroom 2900 x 2100.
Moving it would mean study 3200 x 3200 and the bathroom 2900 x 2700
Your thoughts, as always, greatly appreciated.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 8th December 15:52
I’m doing my own self-analysis here .
The more I think about it, the more I’m inclined to go with just one big f
k-off luxury bathroom with free standing bath and walk in shower and forget trying to get an en-suite in as well.
Second pooper in the utility should suffice when guests are here.
. The more I think about it, the more I’m inclined to go with just one big f
k-off luxury bathroom with free standing bath and walk in shower and forget trying to get an en-suite in as well.Second pooper in the utility should suffice when guests are here.
ben5575 said:
garyhun said:
I’m doing my own self-analysis here .
The more I think about it, the more I’m inclined to go with just one big fk-off luxury bathroom with free standing bath and walk in shower and forget trying to get an en-suite in as well.
Second pooper in the utility should suffice when guests are here.
Yep, that would work well. An en suite is about the convenience of having a bathroom next to your bedroom (which you'll have anyway) and privacy (which isn't an issue because it's just the two of you).. The more I think about it, the more I’m inclined to go with just one big f
k-off luxury bathroom with free standing bath and walk in shower and forget trying to get an en-suite in as well.Second pooper in the utility should suffice when guests are here.
So where you putting the walk in wardrobe then....?
Mark Benson said:
Option 2, with the door in the sitting room isn't ideal. When we bought our bungalow, we liked the fact that, unlike so many bungalows the bedrooms were all off a central corridor at the back of the house, close to the bathroom. If you do have guests staying in the spare room, they have a long walk in an unfamiliar house to go to the bathroom in the night.
All comes down to a) How often you think the above will be an issue for you, and b) If you plan to stay there for a long time (because I think it'll be more of a potential issue for purchasers than for you, by the sound of it).
Good points. We've now decided against that idea and will probably go for one large bathroom and the extra wc in the utility. It's just a case of working out if 3500 x 2000 is a good enough size for the bathroom (top pic below) or whether to steal a further bit of hallway so that half of the bathroom wall comes out a further 600mm like second pic below. I've not done any re-jigging of the bath etc on this yet so not sure if it actually gives anything extra.All comes down to a) How often you think the above will be an issue for you, and b) If you plan to stay there for a long time (because I think it'll be more of a potential issue for purchasers than for you, by the sound of it).
ben5575 said:
The second, bigger bathroom/smaller hall
You know I'm emotionally invested in this now? You better post some photos once it's finished!
Oh yeah, there will be pictures. Couldn't leave you hanging You know I'm emotionally invested in this now? You better post some photos once it's finished!
Hopefully goes into planning next week(or possibly this) and York are apparently taking 12 weeks at the moment.
Mark Benson said:
Second option moves the door away from the loo and shower, which will make the room feel much bigger than the actual space you're gaining. When you don't have to close the door to move around the room it immediately feels more spacious. Also, if you're both in there doing teeth etc.before bed it gives you a bit more room to move.
Agreed, very true. Well, I've now made the decision on the widened bathroom and it's back with the architect for final changes. Famous last words Gassing Station | Homes, Gardens and DIY | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff