The end of the cosy open fire?
Discussion
lewisf182 said:
Think theyre using a blanket approach which IMO isn’t the way. Huge amounts of urban houses are having these installed and 99% are from a purely aesthetic viewpoint. They are horribly polluting and when a large amount operate in the area the air is tangibly worse.
They should bad wood burning within say 5 miles of a city centre location, theres just no need. For most installations it is just a current fad, ironically a large amount having them installed would like to think themselves very environmentally friendly
I fail to understand your logic on this They should bad wood burning within say 5 miles of a city centre location, theres just no need. For most installations it is just a current fad, ironically a large amount having them installed would like to think themselves very environmentally friendly
dickymint said:
I fail to understand your logic on this
The logic is that this is about the damage done by particulate matter. Obviously if there are very few people in an area then the risk is practically irrelevant in contrast to high population density areas. Ie burning wood and coal does damage in urban areas whereas in the countryside with its low density it’s pretty irrelevant. DonkeyApple said:
Coal has alternatives for the few who rely on it.
What are the alternatives? Will smokeless coal still be allowed?I was a boy in the 70's and remember coming home from school night after night to light the coal fire to cook toast etc on lit by candle power because the miners were on strike again.
Since then all houses I have bought have had electricity, gas and a coal open fire so that I cannot be held to ransom by any particular union/labour government.
But now the Tory government wants to remove the gas and coal option (wood will follow when the forests are being depleted to replace the coal) leaving only electricity to power all houses and transportation. The union for the electricity workers can then demand what they like and they will get it else the country will stop dead.
Makes no sense to me putting all energy eggs in one basket.
Evanivitch said:
MikeStroud said:
Makes no sense to me putting all energy eggs in one basket.
Or just get a solar system and battery storage with grid isolation.No more feed in/ generation tariff, just what your provider will give you for it and a Vat increase on panels/batteries at the end of the year.
MikeStroud said:
What are the alternatives? Will smokeless coal still be allowed?
I was a boy in the 70's and remember coming home from school night after night to light the coal fire to cook toast etc on lit by candle power because the miners were on strike again.
Since then all houses I have bought have had electricity, gas and a coal open fire so that I cannot be held to ransom by any particular union/labour government.
But now the Tory government wants to remove the gas and coal option (wood will follow when the forests are being depleted to replace the coal) leaving only electricity to power all houses and transportation. The union for the electricity workers can then demand what they like and they will get it else the country will stop dead.
Makes no sense to me putting all energy eggs in one basket.
True but the aspect to bear in mind is that as a country we generating more of our electricity without relying on importing oil to generate it whereas as our North Sea gas declines we are importing more from states such as Russia. If anything it adds up to a wider argument to focus on the urban environments that really have no need of coal or gas but leaving the other environments alone. I was a boy in the 70's and remember coming home from school night after night to light the coal fire to cook toast etc on lit by candle power because the miners were on strike again.
Since then all houses I have bought have had electricity, gas and a coal open fire so that I cannot be held to ransom by any particular union/labour government.
But now the Tory government wants to remove the gas and coal option (wood will follow when the forests are being depleted to replace the coal) leaving only electricity to power all houses and transportation. The union for the electricity workers can then demand what they like and they will get it else the country will stop dead.
Makes no sense to me putting all energy eggs in one basket.
Ultimately you can force domestic workers to generate electricity but you can’t take a stick to Russia to turn the gas back on etc.
Equus said:
Evoluzione said:
Tree surgeons etc will be no longer allowed to sell logs, so they'll just have to give it away.
Why not?There's no restriction on selling them in loads of more than 2 cubic metres.
Evoluzione said:
True, but the point i'm making is for every rule that is made someone will find a way round it ...
Oh, absolutely... I envisage lots of timber being sold with the invoice stamped 'for decorative purposes only - not to be burned as fuel under any circumstances'.But that's a different issue, and surely no-one expects anything but half-baked and ill-conceived legislation from any Government run by Boris the Clown?
We have a coal fire at the bottom of the house and this is the only source of heat. The fire is too small for logs and that end of the house is the old workshop, now the dining room, and was built in the early 1800's. Smokeless will be ok for us. We're off the gas network and a lot of the properties in the village rely on solid fuels. If the government is serious about lower emissions and reducing particulates they need to ditch HS2 and invest in the gas network or improving the efficiency of electric / renewable heating systems.
Ed. said:
Evanivitch said:
MikeStroud said:
Makes no sense to me putting all energy eggs in one basket.
Or just get a solar system and battery storage with grid isolation.No more feed in/ generation tariff, just what your provider will give you for it and a Vat increase on panels/batteries at the end of the year.
It’s going to be an ‘interesting’ time as we try to figure out a future for our uk housing stock that doesn’t involve burning anything.
Despite talk of looking at hydrogen in the pipes and bio gas, etc. I doubt that mains fed heating (outside of district heating) will be a thing.
Electrification of heat through one means or another will be the route, with all the challenges of capacity, building efficiency (or lack thereof) that entails.
It’s a good job our government isn’t lurching from one not very integrated policy decision to another isn’t it?
Although to be fair, wet wood is a waste of bloody time, you’d get more heat burning junk mail.
Despite talk of looking at hydrogen in the pipes and bio gas, etc. I doubt that mains fed heating (outside of district heating) will be a thing.
Electrification of heat through one means or another will be the route, with all the challenges of capacity, building efficiency (or lack thereof) that entails.
It’s a good job our government isn’t lurching from one not very integrated policy decision to another isn’t it?
Although to be fair, wet wood is a waste of bloody time, you’d get more heat burning junk mail.
Vanity Projects said:
It’s going to be an ‘interesting’ time as we try to figure out a future for our uk housing stock that doesn’t involve burning anything.
Despite talk of looking at hydrogen in the pipes and bio gas, etc. I doubt that mains fed heating (outside of district heating) will be a thing.
Electrification of heat through one means or another will be the route, with all the challenges of capacity, building efficiency (or lack thereof) that entails.
It’s a good job our government isn’t lurching from one not very integrated policy decision to another isn’t it?
Although to be fair, wet wood is a waste of bloody time, you’d get more heat burning junk mail.
Agreed. Whilst several government white papers have identified using district heating in conjunction with new powerstations, the government have done nothing to address the planning policy or costs associated with it. Several projects in South Wales, particularly in port Talbot with the close proximity of industry and homes, have failed to implement any use of district heating, despite it being an effective way to increase efficiency and reduce fuel poverty.Despite talk of looking at hydrogen in the pipes and bio gas, etc. I doubt that mains fed heating (outside of district heating) will be a thing.
Electrification of heat through one means or another will be the route, with all the challenges of capacity, building efficiency (or lack thereof) that entails.
It’s a good job our government isn’t lurching from one not very integrated policy decision to another isn’t it?
Although to be fair, wet wood is a waste of bloody time, you’d get more heat burning junk mail.
However every planning application that has even acknowledged the supposed government policy for district heating has dismissed it on economic grounds and has even failed to implement a FFBNW approach to allow future implementation.
And yet they wonder why people protest against powerstations appearing on their doorstep.
Many people really need to stop being so instantly opposed to anything that is suggested as a change to the status quo.
This applies to many things.
Wood burning is not being banned.
Ps. If roaring fires in country pubs are really such an important feature of life, then a flat screen TV in a fireplace and a small, but very hot, fan heater underneath it to burn the people sitting close it will do the job
This applies to many things.
Wood burning is not being banned.
Ps. If roaring fires in country pubs are really such an important feature of life, then a flat screen TV in a fireplace and a small, but very hot, fan heater underneath it to burn the people sitting close it will do the job
Edited by MC Bodge on Saturday 22 February 08:35
Evanivitch said:
And yet they wonder why people protest against powerstations appearing on their doorstep.
Judging by the people on here, people would protest about anything. Ignorance and NIMBYism is strong.
We have a fairly local gas power station. It is on the site of a former coal station. The local Facebook page was full of nonsense about the "smoke" that came out of the stacks on cold days. One chap even said that, despite it being a gas station, and with no coal store or suitable furnace, they sometimes used a "bit" of coal too.... As if it was some sort of fancy (very) multi fuel stove that the owner could throw a couple of bags of coal in when they were short of Calor gas.
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