Mini Floridian Remodel
Discussion
It was February 1st 2015 when you first emailed me to say you were thinking of making the jump over to the US. I see it you have managed to grab hold of your own slice of the American dream.
I think there’s a perception that American houses are little more than sheds. That may have been true previously but code requirements have shifted greatly. Now, depending on the state, there is a requirement for energy efficient, hurricane/earth quake proof houses.
Some interesting facts about US houses could come up, including that they are all 240v and not 120 as most think. 240v enters the panel on 2 x 120v legs. Take a look at the panel and it will be rated for 240v as that’s used for some AC and pool equipment.
I think there’s a perception that American houses are little more than sheds. That may have been true previously but code requirements have shifted greatly. Now, depending on the state, there is a requirement for energy efficient, hurricane/earth quake proof houses.
Some interesting facts about US houses could come up, including that they are all 240v and not 120 as most think. 240v enters the panel on 2 x 120v legs. Take a look at the panel and it will be rated for 240v as that’s used for some AC and pool equipment.
The Moose said:
geeks said:
Superb thread Moose! Always day dream while looking at Zillow about moving to the US, which is weird considering I have never set foot in the place!
Thank you. If nothing else, come for a visit!!Crumpet said:
geeks said:
Superb thread Moose! Always day dream while looking at Zillow about moving to the US, which is weird considering I have never set foot in the place!
Yeah, I’m another who also loves looking at enormous American properties that cost the same as a 3 bed, new-build box in the U.K. Spent two years living in Florida and absolutely loved it, so watching this with interest.
h0b0 said:
It was February 1st 2015 when you first emailed me to say you were thinking of making the jump over to the US. I see it you have managed to grab hold of your own slice of the American dream.
So it was! My wife was not my wife but my girlfriend at that time. We had started to seriously thing about the move. I've just gone and found our e-mails on the topic. Lol. A lot has changed in those five and a half years! Once again, thank you for your time - also to Matt H who spent some time with me also. Hopefully I can pay it forward like you guys did!h0b0 said:
Some interesting facts about US houses could come up, including that they are all 240v and not 120 as most think. 240v enters the panel on 2 x 120v legs. Take a look at the panel and it will be rated for 240v as that’s used for some AC and pool equipment.
The previous owner had a sunbed, an RV hookup and a bunch of other stuff, but almost everything throughout the house is 120V. We aren't doing anything that invasive so may be beyond the ultimate scope of this thread!paulguitar said:
What are the property taxes like in FL, Moose?
There are a huge number of variables to this answer...and it all changes when a transaction occurs. It also depends on what part of the state you are in and there are potentially multiple different charging 'areas'. Where I am, you can work on the basis of around 1% of the value of the home each year. We got a reasonable deal buying the house so ended up a little above this amount.You can also get discounts on your property tax for all sorts of different things - it's quite a formula!
paulguitar said:
I spend a lot of time in the states, one of the things I find very frustrating is that everything seems to cost a lot more than expected due to endless taxes being added on.
Yes - that is frustrating, but you get used to it. The earliest one for me was when I first bought a set of tires. They started at a little under $55 per tire but ended at over $85 (but I did buy a dumb warranty at $9 per tire which paid out on 3 of them so was worth it!).I think it's like with most things in life, once you learn how to play the game, you're good.
We're seriously moving off topic here, but the single biggest difference I've found between the UK and the US is the fact that you have basically no consumer protection here. You have to read every line of the contract and not rely on the fact that your interests will be looked after by overall legislation.
The Moose said:
The previous owner had a sunbed, an RV hookup and a bunch of other stuff, but almost everything throughout the house is 120V. We aren't doing anything that invasive so may be beyond the ultimate scope of this thread!
Sunbed in Florida is an Ice to the Eskimos moment surely ? Looks Good OP.
Any Mozzies / Flying critters being next to the canal ?
PushedDover said:
The Moose said:
The previous owner had a sunbed, an RV hookup and a bunch of other stuff, but almost everything throughout the house is 120V. We aren't doing anything that invasive so may be beyond the ultimate scope of this thread!
Sunbed in Florida is an Ice to the Eskimos moment surely ? Looks Good OP.
Any Mozzies / Flying critters being next to the canal ?
We get a few bugs, but it's not too bad. Our island is surrounded by salt water plus they spray for mosquitos (from light aircraft/helicopters). I haven't been bitten here on the island for quite a long time. If you venture into the everglades at all, however, you'll get eaten alive in the summer. The dog park is next to a brackish lake which can get bad with big 'noseeums' or 'seeums' as I call them. They don't really hurt - just annoying.
We planned on starting the work in early 2020. Everything hinged off the replacement of the windows and doors. I wasn’t going to paint the outside of the house before the windows were done as they’d then damage the stucco (render) and the new paint. I also couldn’t do much inside for similar reasons.
In the second half of 2019 I set about finding a contractor for the windows and doors. I nearly signed a contract with a guy who seemed really good. However when it came to actually sign the document, my gut said it just wasn’t right. I can’t say what exactly it was but there was something wrong. It was hard not to go through it as I’d invested a lot of time with this guy but I decided to pull out and instead find someone else. The product we ended up choosing was actually a Colombian window and door system. What really sold me on this product was that our largest sliding door opening is 10ft tall by 12ft wide. These guys could do this door system in a 2 panel, with thin sight-lines were everyone else wanted to do 3 panel with thicker sight-lines. They still meet the hurricane portions of code here. Longer lead time as they are made in Colombia and shipped in a container but worth the wait! They were due to arrive and be installed in April (when my wife was pregnant again with our second), however COVID really slowed everything up.
The plan was for the majority of the work inside to be completed by the time the baby came. That way, we could focus on the exterior of the house and be comfortable in our space. Due to the COVID delays, things all got scheduled for my wife’s due date. Wonderful!! Clearly that wasn’t going to work. So instead of putting the work off again, we decided we were going to rent for 2 months and just suck up the 2 moves. Fortunately, we were offered our family member’s place again which was such a blessing (also much nicer than our house!!) - especially as it meant I didn’t have to spend a but-load of money on a rental. The only downside was that the cat and the dog weren’t welcome (allergies - understandable of course). So my lab is off having the time of his life being hunt trained and the cat went to a fancy cat hotel place…for 70 nights!
I also had to find somewhere for 3 motorcycles, 2 cars, a pickup and some other crap because the deal I made with the window guys was that they could use the garage as storage and for staging.
So my 26 windows, 2 sets of sliding doors, double front door and 3 other doors all turned up on a truck when I was taking my wife to a pregnancy checkup appointment. I was pissed I didn’t get to oversee the unloading as it would have made for some better photos and a more sensible arrangement in the garage, but what can you do?!
The contractor’s time frame for the windows, doors and refinishing was 6 weeks. I allowed 8 weeks and we ended up being out of the house for 10 (just moved back in the last couple of days).
During that 8 week period, my plan (roughly in order of priorty) was to:
1. windows & doors
2. master bathroom remodel
3. kitchen appliances + kitchen cabinet touchups
4. all internal paint
5. all minor electrical work - a few fans, replacing fluorescent tubes for LED tubes etc
6. rest of plumbing throughout the house (new kitchen tap, garbage disposal, taps in other bathrooms etc)
7. other minor sundry items
Essentially the 2 largest projects were the windows/doors and the master bathroom. I thought the master bathroom would be easy and the windows/doors would be the nightmare…how wrong was I?!
In the second half of 2019 I set about finding a contractor for the windows and doors. I nearly signed a contract with a guy who seemed really good. However when it came to actually sign the document, my gut said it just wasn’t right. I can’t say what exactly it was but there was something wrong. It was hard not to go through it as I’d invested a lot of time with this guy but I decided to pull out and instead find someone else. The product we ended up choosing was actually a Colombian window and door system. What really sold me on this product was that our largest sliding door opening is 10ft tall by 12ft wide. These guys could do this door system in a 2 panel, with thin sight-lines were everyone else wanted to do 3 panel with thicker sight-lines. They still meet the hurricane portions of code here. Longer lead time as they are made in Colombia and shipped in a container but worth the wait! They were due to arrive and be installed in April (when my wife was pregnant again with our second), however COVID really slowed everything up.
The plan was for the majority of the work inside to be completed by the time the baby came. That way, we could focus on the exterior of the house and be comfortable in our space. Due to the COVID delays, things all got scheduled for my wife’s due date. Wonderful!! Clearly that wasn’t going to work. So instead of putting the work off again, we decided we were going to rent for 2 months and just suck up the 2 moves. Fortunately, we were offered our family member’s place again which was such a blessing (also much nicer than our house!!) - especially as it meant I didn’t have to spend a but-load of money on a rental. The only downside was that the cat and the dog weren’t welcome (allergies - understandable of course). So my lab is off having the time of his life being hunt trained and the cat went to a fancy cat hotel place…for 70 nights!
I also had to find somewhere for 3 motorcycles, 2 cars, a pickup and some other crap because the deal I made with the window guys was that they could use the garage as storage and for staging.
So my 26 windows, 2 sets of sliding doors, double front door and 3 other doors all turned up on a truck when I was taking my wife to a pregnancy checkup appointment. I was pissed I didn’t get to oversee the unloading as it would have made for some better photos and a more sensible arrangement in the garage, but what can you do?!
The contractor’s time frame for the windows, doors and refinishing was 6 weeks. I allowed 8 weeks and we ended up being out of the house for 10 (just moved back in the last couple of days).
During that 8 week period, my plan (roughly in order of priorty) was to:
1. windows & doors
2. master bathroom remodel
3. kitchen appliances + kitchen cabinet touchups
4. all internal paint
5. all minor electrical work - a few fans, replacing fluorescent tubes for LED tubes etc
6. rest of plumbing throughout the house (new kitchen tap, garbage disposal, taps in other bathrooms etc)
7. other minor sundry items
Essentially the 2 largest projects were the windows/doors and the master bathroom. I thought the master bathroom would be easy and the windows/doors would be the nightmare…how wrong was I?!
Interesting and enjoyable read - your story-telling skills are highly impressive.
It looks like you have spent/are spending a gigantic amount of money - that would freak me out a bit.
I'm very obviously at a different stage in my life - I didn't move to FL until I was in my early 40's and have been here almost 20 years now. Just me and my wife and a geriatric and generic Floridian mutt.
My house is probably half the size of yours - around 2000ft split ranch with 3 bedrooms and two baths with a double garage and a big pool - but the neighborhood I live in (it's on a chain of lakes) makes it quite expensive from a property tax perspective.
Consequently, the upgrades I've made have been largely self-done. I'm reasonably handy so have done everything except counter-tops, HVAC upgrade and a hurricane ravaged roof. There is almost nothing, other than the basic shell of this place that I haven't torn out, modified or enhanced. Permits? We don't need no stinkin' permits.
Windows and doors have been my biggest upgrade and the materials cost around $18k, but I saved at least $10k by installing them myself (4 sets of double doors and 10 standard size double-glazed, hurricane-coded windows).
I also just resurfaced my pool, which was a new challenge for me - I hired a crew of no-speakies to put the mud on, but I did everything else - horrible job, but saved a ton of cash, in the process.
I'm really looking forward to hearing more on this project - so please keep going with the updates, it's a very engaging read.
It looks like you have spent/are spending a gigantic amount of money - that would freak me out a bit.
I'm very obviously at a different stage in my life - I didn't move to FL until I was in my early 40's and have been here almost 20 years now. Just me and my wife and a geriatric and generic Floridian mutt.
My house is probably half the size of yours - around 2000ft split ranch with 3 bedrooms and two baths with a double garage and a big pool - but the neighborhood I live in (it's on a chain of lakes) makes it quite expensive from a property tax perspective.
Consequently, the upgrades I've made have been largely self-done. I'm reasonably handy so have done everything except counter-tops, HVAC upgrade and a hurricane ravaged roof. There is almost nothing, other than the basic shell of this place that I haven't torn out, modified or enhanced. Permits? We don't need no stinkin' permits.
Windows and doors have been my biggest upgrade and the materials cost around $18k, but I saved at least $10k by installing them myself (4 sets of double doors and 10 standard size double-glazed, hurricane-coded windows).
I also just resurfaced my pool, which was a new challenge for me - I hired a crew of no-speakies to put the mud on, but I did everything else - horrible job, but saved a ton of cash, in the process.
I'm really looking forward to hearing more on this project - so please keep going with the updates, it's a very engaging read.
Without wishing to take us too far off topic, how long is a piece of string? And my follow up, what’s the ball park cost for a salt water pool of good quality in Florida? Some of the numbers I hear in NJ are insane. I assume we are just paying through the nose up here compared to the South.
h0b0 said:
Without wishing to take us too far off topic, how long is a piece of string? And my follow up, what’s the ball park cost for a salt water pool of good quality in Florida? Some of the numbers I hear in NJ are insane. I assume we are just paying through the nose up here compared to the South.
I'm not sure if this is aimed at me - but I can say that my daughter, who lives in Oviedo FL has just been quoted to build a 25000 gallon salt filtered marcite in-ground pool with stone deck paving and a shotgun enclosure for $58k.Matt Harper said:
Interesting and enjoyable read - your story-telling skills are highly impressive.
It looks like you have spent/are spending a gigantic amount of money - that would freak me out a bit.
I'm very obviously at a different stage in my life - I didn't move to FL until I was in my early 40's and have been here almost 20 years now. Just me and my wife and a geriatric and generic Floridian mutt.
My house is probably half the size of yours - around 2000ft split ranch with 3 bedrooms and two baths with a double garage and a big pool - but the neighborhood I live in (it's on a chain of lakes) makes it quite expensive from a property tax perspective.
Consequently, the upgrades I've made have been largely self-done. I'm reasonably handy so have done everything except counter-tops, HVAC upgrade and a hurricane ravaged roof. There is almost nothing, other than the basic shell of this place that I haven't torn out, modified or enhanced. Permits? We don't need no stinkin' permits.
Windows and doors have been my biggest upgrade and the materials cost around $18k, but I saved at least $10k by installing them myself (4 sets of double doors and 10 standard size double-glazed, hurricane-coded windows).
I also just resurfaced my pool, which was a new challenge for me - I hired a crew of no-speakies to put the mud on, but I did everything else - horrible job, but saved a ton of cash, in the process.
I'm really looking forward to hearing more on this project - so please keep going with the updates, it's a very engaging read.
Glad you're enjoying it! We are spending quite a bit of dosh, yes. In for a penny and all that. Hopefully we'll see a good return when we look to sell...It looks like you have spent/are spending a gigantic amount of money - that would freak me out a bit.
I'm very obviously at a different stage in my life - I didn't move to FL until I was in my early 40's and have been here almost 20 years now. Just me and my wife and a geriatric and generic Floridian mutt.
My house is probably half the size of yours - around 2000ft split ranch with 3 bedrooms and two baths with a double garage and a big pool - but the neighborhood I live in (it's on a chain of lakes) makes it quite expensive from a property tax perspective.
Consequently, the upgrades I've made have been largely self-done. I'm reasonably handy so have done everything except counter-tops, HVAC upgrade and a hurricane ravaged roof. There is almost nothing, other than the basic shell of this place that I haven't torn out, modified or enhanced. Permits? We don't need no stinkin' permits.
Windows and doors have been my biggest upgrade and the materials cost around $18k, but I saved at least $10k by installing them myself (4 sets of double doors and 10 standard size double-glazed, hurricane-coded windows).
I also just resurfaced my pool, which was a new challenge for me - I hired a crew of no-speakies to put the mud on, but I did everything else - horrible job, but saved a ton of cash, in the process.
I'm really looking forward to hearing more on this project - so please keep going with the updates, it's a very engaging read.
If/when we do sell, I'll update this thread...assuming we make some good money. If I loose my ass, I'll probably let it slip away into PH obscurity.
Do y'all have a big HOA bill as well as the property tax? Or is it reasonable in your community?
To be honest with you, I admire your ability to tear crap out and put it all back together again. I'm not very good at all that...and even worse with a paint brush. I probably could do it if my life depended on it, but it'd take me many times longer than it should and I'd probably end up electrocuting myself while changing a faucet.
You can try to do stuff around here without permits but you get done in about 20 minutes so it's just not worth it. I'll talk more about the permitting process in a couple of posts time, probably.
h0b0 said:
Without wishing to take us too far off topic, how long is a piece of string? And my follow up, what’s the ball park cost for a salt water pool of good quality in Florida? Some of the numbers I hear in NJ are insane. I assume we are just paying through the nose up here compared to the South.
I have no idea. Salt water pool is too fancy for me! Just bring me my man once a week to service the pool and I'm happy. For $105 a month, why would I bother to learn. Terrible attitude I know. That includes cleaning out the filters and all that other good stuff - ok if you're 2 wrinklies who take a dip with a G&T every couple of weeks. With us, my lab spends at least 10 hours a week in the pool, I'm sure my daughter makes good use of her leaky swim diaper and goodness only know what else - all helps with the immune system, right? 
I don't see why a salt water pool should be much more expensive than a "normal" pool to install - I thought I had heard that you can convert for about $2k. Next time I see my man, I forget which day he turns up, I'll ask him what the cost to convert mine to a salty jobbie.
Clearly I'm going to jump around a bit so please don't moan about continuity errors!
Today we had our new oven installed:
My wife was over the moon and said she was gunna cook a cracking dinner in the new oven and then I'd get the good sexy time tonight.
Obviously what she meant was a couple of slices of garlic bread and I'd get the good sexy time...if it wasn't for two kids under 18 months old and us both being knackered. At least the garlic bread was great
ETA: old oven:
Today we had our new oven installed:
My wife was over the moon and said she was gunna cook a cracking dinner in the new oven and then I'd get the good sexy time tonight.
Obviously what she meant was a couple of slices of garlic bread and I'd get the good sexy time...if it wasn't for two kids under 18 months old and us both being knackered. At least the garlic bread was great
ETA: old oven:
Edited by The Moose on Wednesday 26th August 04:00
Edited by The Moose on Wednesday 26th August 11:58
0. Project Planning
This ended up being the longest part of the whole thing, mainly due to COVID-19.
Me explaining the plan to the cute one...and my daughter:
Clearly, Harley wasn't that interested:
We came up with a project budget, and I planned to stick to it (and I still do!!). Let's see how this all goes.
This ended up being the longest part of the whole thing, mainly due to COVID-19.
Me explaining the plan to the cute one...and my daughter:
Clearly, Harley wasn't that interested:
We came up with a project budget, and I planned to stick to it (and I still do!!). Let's see how this all goes.
1. Windows and doors
This was the largest single expense of the whole project at $50k, will make the largest difference to the house (hurricane-resistant, increased efficiency, decreased noise etc etc etc). At the same time, it also was the biggest disappointment to date. I'll get there.
I planned to do this thread from before the work started but of course with a new baby arriving as well as trying to work full time + and project manage the remodel the thought of the thread fell by the wayside. For that reason, I've had to pull together photos from various different stages.
So - windows and doors. This is what the house started off looking like:
Side note - my papaya has thrived recently!
Emma was pleased with the news that those dang bands were coming off!
Where did I get to? Ah yes - the windows had arrived and been delivered into the garage.
The first day of work, there was a crew of a load of people arriving. It seemed like it was going to be rather interesting when this rolled into the drive:
Slammin on 22s. To be honest, I thought it needed larger rims.
I guess he hadn't made the final payment yet?
To be fair, he got a puncture and still arrived on time along with all the other lads.
I know I keep going on about these stupid bands, however we really didn't like them plus some woodpeckers do like them so this was probably the happiest day of the project (other than the birth of my son, of course...
).
Ahh - looking better already.
After removing all the bands, out came the plastic sheeting to turn my place into something that looked like the set of Dexter. The first evening, I was rather tempted to throw around some ketchup for the boys when they turned up in the morning...
The first thing they started to do was swap out some of the smaller windows - specifically the bay window by the front door. As they got started, I left to go and grab a quick breakfast to receive a phone call from the contractor. less than 60 mins into the project and there was already a problem. Bugger. This is going to get expensive.
I don't seem to have any photos, but the very first window they started to cut out, they found some rotted wood. The majority of the house is concrete block work, but for some angular sections they do a bit of wood framing. Should they fix the wood or just bodge it back together. Big sigh...and tell them to do it properly while muttering away to myself under my breath at my bad fortune. Luckily enough, this was the only unexpected issue with this part of the project.
I didn't have any photos of the big sliders before starting the replacement. The best photos I can find on my phone are these:
Each of the 3 panels is 10ft tall and 4ft wide.
The new sliders:
The front door is directly opposite the sliders so as you walk into the house you are greeted with a more open view over the canal. An unexpected side effect is that they don't like like 10ft tall sliders in photos. You don't see 2 panel sliders of this size very often so in photos they look like smaller 8ft sliders. Not the end of the world. I'm super pleased with how these turned out - they make quite an impact and everyone notices or comments on them.
New smaller set of sliders (8x8):
Bay with new windows installed:
These 2 are the closest like for like photos of before vs after window replacement (current situation - obviously not finished):
I started this post by saying that the windows were the biggest disappointment to date. The reason being that the windows is where we spent the most money yet it didn't really change the appearance of the house from the outside that much. If we'd gone for a different color frame then it would have done. Anyway, once the stucco work and paint outside is all done, it will look like a totally different home.
What I don't have a photo of right now, but I will get...if I can remember...is the internal finish around the windows. This particular crew did a cracking job and it looks great. I'm a picky bugger and only found a couple of spots where they needed to come back. They impressed me!!
This was the largest single expense of the whole project at $50k, will make the largest difference to the house (hurricane-resistant, increased efficiency, decreased noise etc etc etc). At the same time, it also was the biggest disappointment to date. I'll get there.
I planned to do this thread from before the work started but of course with a new baby arriving as well as trying to work full time + and project manage the remodel the thought of the thread fell by the wayside. For that reason, I've had to pull together photos from various different stages.
So - windows and doors. This is what the house started off looking like:
Side note - my papaya has thrived recently!
Emma was pleased with the news that those dang bands were coming off!
Where did I get to? Ah yes - the windows had arrived and been delivered into the garage.
The first day of work, there was a crew of a load of people arriving. It seemed like it was going to be rather interesting when this rolled into the drive:
Slammin on 22s. To be honest, I thought it needed larger rims.
I guess he hadn't made the final payment yet?
To be fair, he got a puncture and still arrived on time along with all the other lads.
I know I keep going on about these stupid bands, however we really didn't like them plus some woodpeckers do like them so this was probably the happiest day of the project (other than the birth of my son, of course...
).Ahh - looking better already.
After removing all the bands, out came the plastic sheeting to turn my place into something that looked like the set of Dexter. The first evening, I was rather tempted to throw around some ketchup for the boys when they turned up in the morning...
The first thing they started to do was swap out some of the smaller windows - specifically the bay window by the front door. As they got started, I left to go and grab a quick breakfast to receive a phone call from the contractor. less than 60 mins into the project and there was already a problem. Bugger. This is going to get expensive.
I don't seem to have any photos, but the very first window they started to cut out, they found some rotted wood. The majority of the house is concrete block work, but for some angular sections they do a bit of wood framing. Should they fix the wood or just bodge it back together. Big sigh...and tell them to do it properly while muttering away to myself under my breath at my bad fortune. Luckily enough, this was the only unexpected issue with this part of the project.
I didn't have any photos of the big sliders before starting the replacement. The best photos I can find on my phone are these:
Each of the 3 panels is 10ft tall and 4ft wide.
The new sliders:
The front door is directly opposite the sliders so as you walk into the house you are greeted with a more open view over the canal. An unexpected side effect is that they don't like like 10ft tall sliders in photos. You don't see 2 panel sliders of this size very often so in photos they look like smaller 8ft sliders. Not the end of the world. I'm super pleased with how these turned out - they make quite an impact and everyone notices or comments on them.
New smaller set of sliders (8x8):
Bay with new windows installed:
These 2 are the closest like for like photos of before vs after window replacement (current situation - obviously not finished):
I started this post by saying that the windows were the biggest disappointment to date. The reason being that the windows is where we spent the most money yet it didn't really change the appearance of the house from the outside that much. If we'd gone for a different color frame then it would have done. Anyway, once the stucco work and paint outside is all done, it will look like a totally different home.
What I don't have a photo of right now, but I will get...if I can remember...is the internal finish around the windows. This particular crew did a cracking job and it looks great. I'm a picky bugger and only found a couple of spots where they needed to come back. They impressed me!!
Stigproducts said:
was that a sub zero in there that you replaced? I have got an ancient fitted subzero but couldn't find anything to fit in the same size hole that didn't cost 20 grand. Did you?
It was a Thermador. Same deal. Was your sub zero a 42" or a 48"? We bought KitchenAid as they were the only brand that made a downdraft extractor that actually fitted (it wasn't working properly when we bought the place so need to be replaced). The fridge was about $7k delivered to the garage and the $500 to have it brought into the house and installed. Around 750lbs!This is a more close up of the old fridge before pulling it out:
Took 8 guys lifting, 2 guiding and the boss directing to get the thing to the street. Those guys were made to look like pussies with the council came along the next day and took it away with 2 guys
Edited by The Moose on Wednesday 26th August 04:06
I am away so can't measure but it sure looks the same size as yours there. Mine is older though, a '92 or '93 I still have mine, it was many thousands to replace as you saw (but I was pricing up subzeros at min 15k) or about $1.5k to repair. So repair it was. 27 years service isn't bad.
One day I'll refurbish the whole kitchen and it will probably get replaced but for now it's doing a fine job and I have a local repair firm on speed dial for the next disaster!
One day I'll refurbish the whole kitchen and it will probably get replaced but for now it's doing a fine job and I have a local repair firm on speed dial for the next disaster!
Stigproducts said:
I am away so can't measure but it sure looks the same size as yours there. Mine is older though, a '92 or '93 I still have mine, it was many thousands to replace as you saw (but I was pricing up subzeros at min 15k) or about $1.5k to repair. So repair it was. 27 years service isn't bad.
One day I'll refurbish the whole kitchen and it will probably get replaced but for now it's doing a fine job and I have a local repair firm on speed dial for the next disaster!
Nice! They’re great fridges. For an appliance, they and wolf appliances are things of beauty.One day I'll refurbish the whole kitchen and it will probably get replaced but for now it's doing a fine job and I have a local repair firm on speed dial for the next disaster!
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