Tenant broken boiler, refusing me access to check it
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TheBinarySheep said:
That was my first thought, but I'm starting to think it could be the path of least resistance. On the other hand, out of point of principle I want to tell her to do one.
Put her in the direction of her Local Authority who have access to something called a Discretionary Hardship Fund. Unless she's already bled them dry of course.pincher said:
I'm almost willing to bet that you roll over and pay up...
Say you've got two options;1) Pay her new landlord £800 and get rid of her quickly
2) Take her to court at a cost of between £1000-1500, which could take 6-12 month and in the meantime you could potentially receive no rent either.
Which option would you go down if all you wanted to do was get the tenant out, get the property back, get it tidied up and get it up for sale?
TheBinarySheep said:
Say you've got two options;
1) Pay her new landlord £800 and get rid of her quickly
2) Take her to court at a cost of between £1000-1500, which could take 6-12 month and in the meantime you could potentially receive no rent either.
Which option would you go down if all you wanted to do was get the tenant out, get the property back, get it tidied up and get it up for sale?
Surely you can see that you're being played?1) Pay her new landlord £800 and get rid of her quickly
2) Take her to court at a cost of between £1000-1500, which could take 6-12 month and in the meantime you could potentially receive no rent either.
Which option would you go down if all you wanted to do was get the tenant out, get the property back, get it tidied up and get it up for sale?
Your tenant has had 9-10 months rent free in your house, taking the money from UC for herself and her resolution suggestion for this is that you pay £800 for her to move?
You are entitled to the rent direct from UC. Focus on getting that. Meantime, tell your tenant that if she wishes to move you'll not stand in her way but you're certainly not f
king paying for it......Stone me.....
I've only dipped in and out of this thread, but the issue of a tenant making themselves homeless caught my attention.
A few years ago I was selling a house (probate sale) and the tenant was making every excuse under the sun not to move. His argument was that he couldn't find any similar properties in the same area at the same (low) level of rent he had been paying for several years.
I started eviction proceedings and applied to have the case moved to the High Court for eviction rather than the County Court. AIUI the High Court enforcement means that an officer could arrive at the house with no notice and force eviction, with the support of the police if necessary. Interestingly, the tenant had been consulting with the local authority who weren't aware of the rules re the High Court enforcement and it was only when I phoned them to explain that the tenants would get no notice at all, they suddenly changed their tune and found short-term accommodation for the family.
The rules may have changed in the past 5 or so years, but a quick Google suggests the High Court option is still there. I'm sure other landlords on here will know more about it than I do.
A few years ago I was selling a house (probate sale) and the tenant was making every excuse under the sun not to move. His argument was that he couldn't find any similar properties in the same area at the same (low) level of rent he had been paying for several years.
I started eviction proceedings and applied to have the case moved to the High Court for eviction rather than the County Court. AIUI the High Court enforcement means that an officer could arrive at the house with no notice and force eviction, with the support of the police if necessary. Interestingly, the tenant had been consulting with the local authority who weren't aware of the rules re the High Court enforcement and it was only when I phoned them to explain that the tenants would get no notice at all, they suddenly changed their tune and found short-term accommodation for the family.
The rules may have changed in the past 5 or so years, but a quick Google suggests the High Court option is still there. I'm sure other landlords on here will know more about it than I do.
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
IMO. Do NOT give her a penny of your cash. People like these are take take take from society, with no regard to anyone. If you play in to her hands it will simply confirm in her mind that it's yet another trick in her 'book ofs' to use again.
Not to mention that you would be assisting the stich up of another poor sod who wont see any rent either and so the cycle continues.TheBinarySheep said:
I've discussed this with the wife, we're going to tell the tenant to do one, and start court proceedings.
Thanks God!!I get that you are in a bind with the issue of time and cost of couurt, but this bi atch is taking you for a ride.
I am so glad that you didn't fall for her last party piece - to pay her way to wrek havoc elsewhere.
Get the UC you are owed and High Court eviction and get them out of your place.
I can understand why you might consider paying her to go but I'm glad you aren't. And you were basing your thinking on IF I pay £800 THEN she will move out. But in reality, it is likely that you pay the £800 to someone and she never moves out because a) the person you paid £800 was a mate of hers, b) he was a real landlord but he has since decided he doesn't want her to live there and has no incentive to give your deposit back or c) take your pick of other scenarios.
You will just spend £800 and be in the same situation.
You will just spend £800 and be in the same situation.
Austin_Metro said:
TheBinarySheep said:
That was my first thought, but I'm starting to think it could be the path of least resistance. On the other hand, out of point of principle I want to tell her to do one.
I think this thread must be a wind up. The way UC HB operates the tenant DOES get the first rent sent to them. So naturally the initial process is watched like a hawk.
UC even in the midst of the pandemic haven't been in the slightest difficult to contact, nor do they "play difficult" with landlords/agents when they are contacted.
So if that FIRST PAYMENT is not paid over pdq by the tenant, UC are immediately informed by UC47 which requests further rent sent direct to landlord/agent, plus sanction on the rent thief's income benefit over a period of months till the stolen amount is repaid.
The thief has only one way to cease the sanction, which is to move.
Of course there's also an agent here who either knows nothing about UC processes or else is also howling at UC to get the matter sorted.
Pretending all this guff about tenant got initially safeguarded rent sent direct to her or UC wouldn't deal with the agent is just that - pretending.
Ok once in a blue moon UC does blunder and sends a rent that's supposed to be safeguarded to the tenant in error. But that's quite a big deal and brings UC management into things and all kinds of dramas and is NEVER and I mean NEVER either not taken seriously or left to just drift on into further payment after payment to the tenant.
TEN MONTHS!!!! Naaaaa. It's a wind up.
TheBinarySheep said:
I've discussed this with the wife, we're going to tell the tenant to do one, and start court proceedings.
Good move. Priorities are get the rent paid directly to you. This shouldn't de difficult.Small claim for outstanding rent, as you know where they live. Once they've moved, more difficult.
Get gas cut off as you cannot verify safety. Likewise power if it wasn't been certified as recent legislation requires.
Stop being nice. Play hardball, within the law.
TheBinarySheep said:
Tenant can't afford the deposit etc to move. They want us to pay their deposit and first months rent on a new property as it'll save us money taking them to court.
This is the best news you have posted mate, but DO NOT attempt to do this informally, you will fk it up and end up paying your thief to stay in your property. Then you will have to pay to evict on top. It will cost you, but someone like https://www.landlordaction.co.uk/ will sort the paperwork and make sure it results in a surrendered tenancy and a vacant property.
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