Crows attacking my house!
Discussion
I never expected so many animal rights people on PH particularly those that care about crows.
All those also reporting the law and assuming there's a lack of knowledge and therefore assuming the title of "townie" should be given...
Firstly, good luck ever being caught, using a 2.2 with a silencer on ample land, no one would hear it.
If anyone did, and did report it, if the police could actually be bothered to turn up it would likely take a few days.
Secondly, is being a "townie" some sort of insult?
Lastly, all those throwing the law about on PH, I hope none of you speed!
Crows are not endangered.
They can become pests. Just ask a chimney sweep about Jack daws.
Picking a few off isn't the equivalent of dumping chemicals in a river.
I look forward to the poor chap getting it in the neck for poisoning ants!
All those also reporting the law and assuming there's a lack of knowledge and therefore assuming the title of "townie" should be given...
Firstly, good luck ever being caught, using a 2.2 with a silencer on ample land, no one would hear it.
If anyone did, and did report it, if the police could actually be bothered to turn up it would likely take a few days.
Secondly, is being a "townie" some sort of insult?
Lastly, all those throwing the law about on PH, I hope none of you speed!
Crows are not endangered.
They can become pests. Just ask a chimney sweep about Jack daws.
Picking a few off isn't the equivalent of dumping chemicals in a river.
I look forward to the poor chap getting it in the neck for poisoning ants!
TCruise said:
I never expected so many animal rights people on PH particularly those that care about crows.
All those also reporting the law and assuming there's a lack of knowledge and therefore assuming the title of "townie" should be given...
Firstly, good luck ever being caught, using a 2.2 with a silencer on ample land, no one would hear it.
If anyone did, and did report it, if the police could actually be bothered to turn up it would likely take a few days.
Secondly, is being a "townie" some sort of insult?
Lastly, all those throwing the law about on PH, I hope none of you speed!
Crows are not endangered.
They can become pests. Just ask a chimney sweep about Jack daws.
Picking a few off isn't the equivalent of dumping chemicals in a river.
I look forward to the poor chap getting it in the neck for poisoning ants!
I suspect you are using the term animal rights in a pejorative sense. TBH if you need to kill corvids (and some people do) then I would rather you shot them, whereas the OP had no real need to kill them and was asking if putting poisoned seed down was acceptable ffs.All those also reporting the law and assuming there's a lack of knowledge and therefore assuming the title of "townie" should be given...
Firstly, good luck ever being caught, using a 2.2 with a silencer on ample land, no one would hear it.
If anyone did, and did report it, if the police could actually be bothered to turn up it would likely take a few days.
Secondly, is being a "townie" some sort of insult?
Lastly, all those throwing the law about on PH, I hope none of you speed!
Crows are not endangered.
They can become pests. Just ask a chimney sweep about Jack daws.
Picking a few off isn't the equivalent of dumping chemicals in a river.
I look forward to the poor chap getting it in the neck for poisoning ants!
I probably shouldn't use the term townie, it implies that people from the town/city are all ignorant which is obviously nonsense, but I do seem to encounter quite a few people who aren't from the country who have a sort of idealised view of a place where everyone is tooled up, everyone shoots and people don't care about wildlife or the laws designed to protect them. Some really go the whole hog, I met a couple once whose reason for moving to the countryside was to get away from all the blacks in the city. I digress.
I don't understand why people automatically go for the nuclear option when regarding animals or wildlife. Shooting corvids won't stop them dropping sticks down your chimney, which is why people like me have a cover on our chimney pots. There are situations where it is necessary or acceptable to kill animals, using the correct techniques, but I don't think the OP needed to kill anything and certainly wasn't considering the correct technique.
I don't really understand why he posted in the first place, I found the answer to his query in about 10 seconds on the web.
TCruise said:
I never expected so many animal rights people on PH particularly those that care about crows.
All those also reporting the law and assuming there's a lack of knowledge and therefore assuming the title of "townie" should be given...
Firstly, good luck ever being caught, using a 2.2 with a silencer on ample land, no one would hear it.
If anyone did, and did report it, if the police could actually be bothered to turn up it would likely take a few days.
Secondly, is being a "townie" some sort of insult?
Lastly, all those throwing the law about on PH, I hope none of you speed!
Crows are not endangered.
They can become pests. Just ask a chimney sweep about Jack daws.
Picking a few off isn't the equivalent of dumping chemicals in a river.
I look forward to the poor chap getting it in the neck for poisoning ants!
2.2 All those also reporting the law and assuming there's a lack of knowledge and therefore assuming the title of "townie" should be given...
Firstly, good luck ever being caught, using a 2.2 with a silencer on ample land, no one would hear it.
If anyone did, and did report it, if the police could actually be bothered to turn up it would likely take a few days.
Secondly, is being a "townie" some sort of insult?
Lastly, all those throwing the law about on PH, I hope none of you speed!
Crows are not endangered.
They can become pests. Just ask a chimney sweep about Jack daws.
Picking a few off isn't the equivalent of dumping chemicals in a river.
I look forward to the poor chap getting it in the neck for poisoning ants!
TCruise said:
I never expected so many animal rights people on PH particularly those that care about crows
Don’t think I have seen any animal rights positions, just pro-conservation positions. Indiscriminate use of poison was what bothered me, along with jumping straight to destroying them before exhausting the alternatives. You won’t find many animal rights people in the angling community, but if they catch you killing a fish you shouldn’t you’re at risk of an unplanned swim.
Last year we had crows taking pears from a pear tree. Several hundred or more crows used to roost in a wooded area acros a lake, about 400 yards away. They returned there every night at dusk like a flick of starlings. Bloody noisy buggers.
The pear tree was not big and was due to be removed during a garden makeover. It was not easy to net the tree and they found ways through. It has now gone and no more crow problems. A couple of magpies peck the lawn after insects. Swans, geese, ducks, herons and s
tehawks fly over and sometimes drop smelly bombs but no big deal. The stehawks roost on roofs of houses by the lake. The roofs have a speckled white colour now.
Crows are intelligent. Years ago we used to shoot pigeons on my uncle’s farm at harvest time. Crows would feed as well and they had lookouts on the hedges. We’d go to hides in the hedge and they made alarm calls so we just waited for the pigeons to return. Scarecrows were ignored and some crows actually perched on them. Bird scarers were a bit better at scaring them. Crows can do a lot of damage to crops when they peck/eat shoots of germinated plants. Same with rabbits. One farmer encouraged shooting as there was a large warren on his land and crops in the fields were badly affected.
NEVER use poison for pests. Carrion eaters will ingest it from dead bodies and be victims too.
Once you break their cycle of returning to the same spot things improve.
This morning I put netting to protect strawberries after a couple of starlings started eating them.
A couple of nights ago we watched a large fox in the street outside.
A pair of red kites have been overhead lately too. We are on the edge of a town with open spaces/beach within yards so get plenty of wildlife. Last summer there were seals on sandbanks in the estuary.
The pear tree was not big and was due to be removed during a garden makeover. It was not easy to net the tree and they found ways through. It has now gone and no more crow problems. A couple of magpies peck the lawn after insects. Swans, geese, ducks, herons and s
tehawks fly over and sometimes drop smelly bombs but no big deal. The stehawks roost on roofs of houses by the lake. The roofs have a speckled white colour now.Crows are intelligent. Years ago we used to shoot pigeons on my uncle’s farm at harvest time. Crows would feed as well and they had lookouts on the hedges. We’d go to hides in the hedge and they made alarm calls so we just waited for the pigeons to return. Scarecrows were ignored and some crows actually perched on them. Bird scarers were a bit better at scaring them. Crows can do a lot of damage to crops when they peck/eat shoots of germinated plants. Same with rabbits. One farmer encouraged shooting as there was a large warren on his land and crops in the fields were badly affected.
NEVER use poison for pests. Carrion eaters will ingest it from dead bodies and be victims too.
Once you break their cycle of returning to the same spot things improve.
This morning I put netting to protect strawberries after a couple of starlings started eating them.
A couple of nights ago we watched a large fox in the street outside.
A pair of red kites have been overhead lately too. We are on the edge of a town with open spaces/beach within yards so get plenty of wildlife. Last summer there were seals on sandbanks in the estuary.
I've been watching my first strawberry of the year get plump and ready to eat. It was consumed last night by a vole.
My new beech hedge keeps being eaten by rabbits.
A Fox crapped by my car door last week.
I have jackdaws nesting in a hole in the wall by the upstairs TV room and they make a racket in the evening then fight on the roof in the morning.
The children, who are stored in the attic, are kept awake by the mice that keep moving in to the roof. Last year the ears of a load of their cuddly toys were eaten.
I get pheasants knocking on the downstairs doors throughout Spring.
Then the bloody crow waking me up at 5am.
The owls will screech into the early hours.
The stoat will at least entertain with some mental 90s rave dancing and the bats are silent. The roads that come into the drawing room are easy to catch unlike the bloody frogs. Let alone trying to get a newt out of the paddling pool. Or being woken at 4am on Christmas Eve by a field mouse in the bedside cabinet next to a wife who has a phobia of mice and the result of carrying the cabinet outside and into the field in my underpants in the middle of bloody winter to release the thing.
And once a business call I was taking outside was interrupted by the thud of a hawk bringing down a pigeon aboit 6 feet away from me, trying to eyeball me and then buggering off leaving me with a another corpse to dispose of.
If I resorted to shooting my way through these problems I'd need more ammunition than a Montana militia wking club.
My new beech hedge keeps being eaten by rabbits.
A Fox crapped by my car door last week.
I have jackdaws nesting in a hole in the wall by the upstairs TV room and they make a racket in the evening then fight on the roof in the morning.
The children, who are stored in the attic, are kept awake by the mice that keep moving in to the roof. Last year the ears of a load of their cuddly toys were eaten.
I get pheasants knocking on the downstairs doors throughout Spring.
Then the bloody crow waking me up at 5am.
The owls will screech into the early hours.
The stoat will at least entertain with some mental 90s rave dancing and the bats are silent. The roads that come into the drawing room are easy to catch unlike the bloody frogs. Let alone trying to get a newt out of the paddling pool. Or being woken at 4am on Christmas Eve by a field mouse in the bedside cabinet next to a wife who has a phobia of mice and the result of carrying the cabinet outside and into the field in my underpants in the middle of bloody winter to release the thing.
And once a business call I was taking outside was interrupted by the thud of a hawk bringing down a pigeon aboit 6 feet away from me, trying to eyeball me and then buggering off leaving me with a another corpse to dispose of.
If I resorted to shooting my way through these problems I'd need more ammunition than a Montana militia w
king club. TCruise said:
Crows are not endangered.
They can become pests.
Whats your definition of a pest? We share this planet with all species, why do you think that we should kill things because they are inconvenient?They can become pests.
I hate to break it to you but realistically humans are the pests. Eveything else is balanced in nature, you don't see animals destryong the environment that they live in.
Its extremely arrogant to think we can lord it over the natural world with delusions of superiority
Evanivitch said:
TCruise said:
I never expected so many animal rights people on PH particularly those that care about crows.
All those also reporting the law and assuming there's a lack of knowledge and therefore assuming the title of "townie" should be given...
Firstly, good luck ever being caught, using a 2.2 with a silencer on ample land, no one would hear it.
If anyone did, and did report it, if the police could actually be bothered to turn up it would likely take a few days.
Secondly, is being a "townie" some sort of insult?
Lastly, all those throwing the law about on PH, I hope none of you speed!
Crows are not endangered.
They can become pests. Just ask a chimney sweep about Jack daws.
Picking a few off isn't the equivalent of dumping chemicals in a river.
I look forward to the poor chap getting it in the neck for poisoning ants!
2.2 All those also reporting the law and assuming there's a lack of knowledge and therefore assuming the title of "townie" should be given...
Firstly, good luck ever being caught, using a 2.2 with a silencer on ample land, no one would hear it.
If anyone did, and did report it, if the police could actually be bothered to turn up it would likely take a few days.
Secondly, is being a "townie" some sort of insult?
Lastly, all those throwing the law about on PH, I hope none of you speed!
Crows are not endangered.
They can become pests. Just ask a chimney sweep about Jack daws.
Picking a few off isn't the equivalent of dumping chemicals in a river.
I look forward to the poor chap getting it in the neck for poisoning ants!
hucumber said:
Whats your definition of a pest? We share this planet with all species, why do you think that we should kill things because they are inconvenient?
I hate to break it to you but realistically humans are the pests. Eveything else is balanced in nature, you don't see animals destryong the environment that they live in.
Its extremely arrogant to think we can lord it over the natural world with delusions of superiority
Woah! Of course you see animals destroying the environment they live in. Typically when they aren't it is because they are being husbanded by humans. I hate to break it to you but realistically humans are the pests. Eveything else is balanced in nature, you don't see animals destryong the environment that they live in.
Its extremely arrogant to think we can lord it over the natural world with delusions of superiority
Have you never heard of plagues for starters?
Animals regularly change the environment and eradicate other species. I mean just look at the global habitats that get created by one species to the detriment of others.
Animals have been sending each other extinct since the dawn of time. They've been shaping, destroying and changing habitats since the dawn of time. Every species on the planet is living to dominate its surroundings to the detriment of all other animals. And once they do dominate they over breed until they starve and die of disease or another animals appears to harvest them.
Let's just get things in focus and have some common sense because statements like 'you don't see animals destroying the environment' is complete and utter tosh.
There is absolutely no balance in nature. That's the hippy trippy b
ks of the uneducated and witless. There is barely a corner of the planet that hasn't been shaped and isn't being reshaped by the dominant animal at that moment in time. It is a perpetual flux. Balance is a man made scenario and even that isn't a balance but a stalling of the inevitable change. Animals are complete
s like humans. We're just better at it. Boosted LS1 said:
^ Ah the joys of country living. I'm in a small town but with a brook and large trees behind me. I'm woken every morning by blackbirds and robins at about 4 am. I'm usually so nackered during the day I need a power nap to keep me going.
It's good fun. The birds kick off later than in London though which is a little more civilised. We were next to a Heath in London so had owls and foxes screaming all night before the song birds kicked off around 3. But here are a few more things that needed shooting:
Swallows that nested in the upstairs of the barn meaning we couldn't use it that summer. I still remember the Saturday morning I spotted these last two on the roof before they headed off.
These chaps make a racket all evening through May:
This guy was the reason why I couldn't use a car for 6 weeks as his dim witted Dad had made a nest under the bonnet!
Then there is the plague of froglets later in the summer that mean you can't cut the back lawn for a month while they migrate from the pond.
Having to go up the drive slowly all summer in an evening because there's a toad that dominates the driveway all summer:
And finally the death from the skies:
There are large amount of lambs that get their eyes pecked out and left for dead by hooded crows every year. Culling certain species is kinder and good land management, however the militant animal lover types can not get their heads round it. These are the same people who want to ban all animal farming as the animals are producing too much CO2. The funny thing is the majority of these types will have at least one dog and or cat which sits producing co2 just for their amusement. The same types will also run to push whales back into the water. These types have to ask themselves who is acting the most unnaturally?
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