Our new project House (and rock cave houses)

Our new project House (and rock cave houses)

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CTO

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2,653 posts

211 months

Monday 17th January 2022
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Evening all, and happy NY!

Sorry it’s been a while, we have been waiting for the technical drawings to be done and they came back today..

We have made a few changes to the internal layout of the first floor and subsequently the rear aspect.

The first floor mezzanine has now gone and we have expanded our bedroom area into what was the mezzanine and created more room for our dressing room and ensuite.

It is only the two of us in the house and we have no children so we figured that we might as well have a sizeable master bedroom with all the space that we wanted…

Technical drawings:


Still some work to do and a few bits to resolve but I think we are largely there now.

We also decided that we weren’t busy enough with the house and engagement and adopted a puppy from a rescue centre

Meet “Parker”. Collected from Wales on NYE.


On New Year’s Day I visited the house and took the opportunity to remove the rest of the ivy from the frontage, assisted by a very hungover mate.

Cue use of the landrover as a mobile ladder platform laugh


And managed to get a few more pics of the house. Pretty gloomy day tbf but you get the idea..





So, what next…
Now we have the technical drawings we can start the builders in process and begin to think about start dates…

Plan for the next few weeks.

Buy a twin axle van of dreams to enable us to move onto site… we keep finding more videos of “urbex enthusiasts” exploring the garden and rock houses. The latest “adventurer” visited from USA to explore the “abandoned hobbit houses”…. WTAF…

We also need to hire an excavator so that we can create access to and a slope up into the garden to get the twin axle (that we haven’t yet bought) in there. Neither of us have any experience with plant machinery so it’s back to YouTube for some edumucayshun.

Also, we applied for our ESTA’s last night and got them back in double quick time. Somewhere in the middle of the above we are planning to head to Vegas to tie the knot, probably end of Feb/beginning of March.

That’s about it for now. Not much of an update but I thought people may want to see the revised internal configuration and rear elevation.

Cheers all,

smile

trixical

1,057 posts

176 months

Monday 17th January 2022
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Possibly a stupid question... you're having that beautiful view out the back with the balcony but the bed placement in the master isn't taking advantage of it... any particular reason?
If it were me i'd swing the bed 90 degrees so I woke up looking out the balcony view & now you're not having the mezzanine area perhaps use that section of the master for the ensuite so also had a view from the bath over the garden (also brings all the water & waste connections closer to the existing)

Parker looks like a fab addition to the family

CTO

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2,653 posts

211 months

Tuesday 18th January 2022
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Hi Trixical,

Not a stupid question at all. The configuration of the bedroom is one area that we have amended since receiving the technical drawings. The walk in closet will be closed off rather than open and will become smaller in depth. The three windows on the rear aspect will be changed for one large window with double openings with a seating area in front.

The bathroom question, the view from the bathroom where it is currently situated is far more extensive than that of the rear garden. The side aspect of the house looks out for miles and into the local forests (I will try to find a pic if I have one) smile

cheers,

CTO

dhutch

14,391 posts

198 months

Monday 24th January 2022
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CTO said:
Also, we have decided to keep the frontage and original house and extend backwards, and to lose the cladding in the initial plans and instead render the rear sympathetically to match the houses in the background when viewed from the top of the back garden.

See here
CTO said:
And managed to get a few more pics of the house. Pretty gloomy day tbf but you get the idea..



It is a very nice looking house. The is something very warm and appealing to period brickwork.

CTO

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2,653 posts

211 months

Sunday 6th February 2022
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Evening all,

Hope this finds you well?

At last, it feels as though we are about to begin making tangible progress and so I thought I’d update the thread… There has been loads of minimal faffing and some tree felling but figured people might have had enough of a fat bloke doing his best Ray Mears impression laugh

Technical drawings (final) are back and about to go out to tender with the builders we have found and are happy with. The local council have agreed and provided written authority for the works to be 5% VAT and this week I have one of these arriving ;


and a man (MrDig) and his excavator and 20 tonnes of road planings.

By the end of this week, we should have the access point and temporary drive way established into the garden;


This will be the space for our non binary tradespeople to park, and also for us to “park” our new home… a 35ft Pemberton static caravan.. (elite spec, natch) which we went to view on Friday morning..


(Insert Winged Horse here^^) :smile:

The OH and I have been discussing moving into site for some time, both for site security and to start generating some income by putting our current rental property that we are living in back on the rental market…

The OH said she would be happy with a single axle tourer all the way until we went to look at one on Friday morning and she pronounced that a year in those confines with me would end in murrrrrrders #Taggart mode. laugh

So to recap,
1: build driveway
2: Install static “park home”
3: buy the James Bond box set for watching in the above… Back of the net..

I will update the thread this week with progress of drive construction… I am far more excited than I should be about spending a few days beaning round the garden on a dumper and having one of those twirly knob steering wheel gizmos driving

In the meantime, I could do with some help from the PH masses and those of you with more experience in this area than me ( I have none, so it shouldn’t be difficult for you to know more)

The moving of power poles;

Our garden has one, and it is slap bang where the new kitchen/dining room area is going to be. It needs to be moved.

The electricity supply terminates at our pole and it is fed via a penultimate pole placed in the farmers field adjoining our property. It is also complicated by the fact that the penultimate pole is some way higher than the final pole in our garden and the supply spans a steep sandstone rock face….

Hopefully can be seen a bit more clearly in this pic;
Our garden to penultimate pole;


Supply across farmers field to our property;


So, we contacted the local electricity board to gauge prices to have the supply route altered, and it appears that whatever we decide to do, the cost is “six grand”.

If we move our pole ten foot to the left; to a position closer to the sandstone rock face we still have the issue of the wire stay and it really only moves the overall problem.

Electricity company are happy for the farmers pole to become the final above ground point and for our supply to be routed underground from the farmers pole, down the slope and into the side of the house, on the proviso that I dig the trench the required safe depth into the 45 degree sandstone rockface, lay the conduit and ready everything for the connection… if I do all of the above, they will do the connection for…… six grand….

I have suggested them connecting the power from the penultimate pole directly to our house… initially they said no as in case of a storm, the house wouldn’t be a secure anchor point for the cable. I said that I hoped it would be more secure than a power pole laugh … and they then said the issue would be that the power line wouldn’t maintain adequate height clearance from the pole down to the house….fair enough….

Hopefully all of the above makes sense… I am happy to supply more pics if it helps give context smile

So, collective minds of PH… are we missing an option that we haven’t thought of?

If we have to pay 6k, we will, but would really rather not… 6k on this, 6k on the periwinkle palace that will be our new home on (teeny tiny) wheels… and it’s all starting to add up in terms of cost…..

Your suggestions of a solution are very welcome smile

Oh, and I made a temporary house sign…
£7 for the letters and blagged a free bit of stone from the local builders merchants and…. Voila


^^^^One for the OCD thread…

Cheers all,

Buzz84

1,145 posts

150 months

Sunday 6th February 2022
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We had a pole moved from right next to our new extension to the edge of our land.

The next pole along was in a neighbouring farm yard so we couldn't really dig up their yard to have it buried from there to our house, that pole was also too far away to have an overhead cable from it to our house.

So we had a new pole placed about a meter into our boundary and the cable then goes overhead from there (overhead as it didnt bother us and we didn't need to pay for and arrange the additional trench)
We were also quoted the same price for an overhead cable or for it to be placed in conduit that we would have to bury.

They mentioned the anchor to the house being the weak link and I could believe it when I'm saw them pull out the old pole!
It took a hiab a huge amount of pulling/pushing/wiggling to rip it out. When the old pole came out the amount in the ground must have been 50% of the height!




You say with yours you can't move your pole towards the left due to proximity with the rock face.

Obviously I know nothing of the lay of your land and the positions of the rock face/obstacles/etc so this could be all impossible, but the cable doesn't have to go in a straight line to your house.

If you were to still have a pole on your land at the bottom of the rock face (maintaining the height and avoiding all the rock channeling)
Would you be able to move it parallel with the bottom of the rock face? either bring it towards the road and side of the house, or set it back further up your garden. IE the red or yellow positions in my extremely crude edit:



From that new pole you could choose to either have it overheard or dug in for the last leg.


hidetheelephants

24,472 posts

194 months

Sunday 6th February 2022
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CTO said:
So, we contacted the local electricity board to gauge prices to have the supply route altered, and it appears that whatever we decide to do, the cost is “six grand”.

If we move our pole ten foot to the left; to a position closer to the sandstone rock face we still have the issue of the wire stay and it really only moves the overall problem.

Electricity company are happy for the farmers pole to become the final above ground point and for our supply to be routed underground from the farmers pole, down the slope and into the side of the house, on the proviso that I dig the trench the required safe depth into the 45 degree sandstone rockface, lay the conduit and ready everything for the connection… if I do all of the above, they will do the connection for…… six grand….

I have suggested them connecting the power from the penultimate pole directly to our house… initially they said no as in case of a storm, the house wouldn’t be a secure anchor point for the cable. I said that I hoped it would be more secure than a power pole laugh … and they then said the issue would be that the power line wouldn’t maintain adequate height clearance from the pole down to the house….fair enough….

Hopefully all of the above makes sense… I am happy to supply more pics if it helps give context smile

So, collective minds of PH… are we missing an option that we haven’t thought of?

If we have to pay 6k, we will, but would really rather not… 6k on this, 6k on the periwinkle palace that will be our new home on (teeny tiny) wheels… and it’s all starting to add up in terms of cost…..

Your suggestions of a solution are very welcome smile
Is your DNO one of those that allow contractors to do stuff, or the fussy brigade who only want their own monkeys grinding the organ? A flat rate of £6k seems a bit salty. Having a BFO digger on site anyway excavating a trench doesn't seem likely to cost much, even if some of it is in rock(assuming it's soft enough to be gouged with a bucket rather than needing a pecker).

CTO

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2,653 posts

211 months

Monday 7th February 2022
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Buzz; thanks for your detailed reply. Crude drawings are par for the course in this thread and the option you identified (in red) isn’t one that we considered…. I contacted Western Power today to request a discussion as to whether it is viable… I reckon it will probably cost around…… 6k… if it is an option..

HTE, as far as I know, we are able to use our own contractors to do the groundworks…. But the part western power is responsible for still seems to be 6k… even with digging our own trench and laying the conduit

Buzz84

1,145 posts

150 months

Monday 7th February 2022
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Your welcome, we've been there and done that. It's just that ours was only moved 30m across a flat grass field, so a lot simpler than your site.


(Drilling the hole for the new pole, old pole in the foreground, about 2 meters from where the extension was going)

Think of it this way, They are supplying the cable and connecting up each end for that money, No prep work at all.

Obviously there is no prep work for an overhead cable! but conduit installed to the correct spec is needed for an underground supply.



Edited by Buzz84 on Monday 7th February 22:21

CTO

Original Poster:

2,653 posts

211 months

Wednesday 9th February 2022
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Evening all,

So some more stuff has happened, some hedge has gone, some stones have not been left unturned and I have learnt to drive a dumper truck….. (it’s not very difficult).

So, yesterday. I need to remove some of the hedgerow to allow MrDig to arrive this morning and pull out the roots…

Hedge before:


Hedge during:


Hedge after…… well, partial hedge…


This took far longer than I thought It would but had to be be done ready for this arrival at 08:30 this morning…


Much digging then ensued… the beautiful wall uncovered in yesterdays endeavours sadly had to come out to build the access way into the garden at a gradient that would allow delivery of a 36ft “Park Home”…

The mornings efforts


Popped to the garage for some diesel and was followed in by this…


Old and new together… makes the series 2a look tiny, and it really isn’t!

Then back to the house in time for this to be delivered


And then much digging, loading, spinny steering and dumping was undertaken






And the rest of the hedge came out, up to the gate.

And the initial part of the slope into the garden was created to give a reference point for all the excavating tomorrow….


The removal of the hedge had a knock on effect that I wasn’t quite expecting…. Tourists!

So far today I had a group of ramblers (basically half on the property and through the open gate before I discovered them and who then said they “didn’t want to intrude” laugh, an old lady who came to a halt in the middle of the lane to stare at the rock house and was totally oblivious to the traffic swerving round her….. and an entire 19 person mini bus/variety coach type effort who all stopped and were staring out the windows….

I think a lot of people (local included) simply weren’t aware of the Rock House’s existence..

Finished off the day with a spot of measuring up for the landrover bulkhead….



Fortunately I have a soon to be “uncle in law” whose speciality is metal fabrication and welding (same one who made me the spare wheel bracket) and who is going to be undertaking both fabricating and welding in liberal fashion to the 2a……

Another busy day is planned for tomorrow and Friday morning, ahead of the 20 tonnes of gravel… (and I think probably another 20 to follow)

Cheers all,

Austin_Metro

1,225 posts

49 months

Thursday 10th February 2022
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Great stuff. Keep it coming please!

On layout, I thought the open ended walk in wardrobe behind the bed was quite a stylish touch - very top end 5* hotel suite style.

With a room that size and the light I reckon might be quite a cool feature. It also like like there’s another store room between the en-suite and the second bedroom. Could put the mess in there …

roadie

645 posts

263 months

Thursday 10th February 2022
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Fantastic to see an update and great progress!

CTO

Original Poster:

2,653 posts

211 months

Thursday 10th February 2022
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Evening all,

Sad news; another accident at the house today… I’d say probably of more significance than the eye injury frown

Today, I dropped my digger bucket on my packed lunch

The following image is graphic and may offend those of you that like a nice chocolate biscuit at 11, and a ham sarnie at around 12:30..


Squashed my sandwich flat and popped my pack of cheese and onion crisps…. Still ate the sandwich though smile

Cheers all

CharlesdeGaulle

26,305 posts

181 months

Thursday 10th February 2022
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CTO said:
Evening all,

Sad news; another accident at the house today… I’d say probably of more significance than the eye injury frown

Today, I dropped my digger bucket on my packed lunch

The following image is graphic and may offend those of you that like a nice chocolate biscuit at 11, and a ham sarnie at around 12:30..


Squashed my sandwich flat and popped my pack of cheese and onion crisps…. Still ate the sandwich though smile

Cheers all
Jesus, that's grim news. Hugs and prayers...

Mikebentley

6,124 posts

141 months

Thursday 10th February 2022
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And to think up to now no cheesy comestibles we’re damaged. H & S will send a full investigation team.

RichB

51,607 posts

285 months

Thursday 10th February 2022
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Mikebentley said:
And to think up to now no cheesy comestibles we’re damaged. H & S will send a full investigation team.
Hopefully there was no cheese in with the ham!

meb90

359 posts

94 months

Thursday 10th February 2022
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Stumbled across this thread just now and have read all of it.

I love threads like this, your project looks fantastic CTO, please keep up with the updates biggrin

CTO

Original Poster:

2,653 posts

211 months

Thursday 10th February 2022
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Evening all,

Ham salad it was… bit of cucumber as well, no cheese. Still tasted ok mind, although a bit of cheese would have been optimal smile

In other news, there was some more progress today.. didn’t take as many pics as was a bit of a rush to try and get the ramp built ready for twenty tonnes of road planings at 09:30 tomorrow and a revised plan of another twenty tonnes scheduled for 14:00 tomorrow..

I think we may need a further twenty, but will see how we get on I guess….

So;
View at around 9am this morn whilst digging out more earth…



View at about ten am after knocking the gate down and removing it with the tow rope from the front of the Landy


(The tow rope was todays second casualty. Later on in the day I attached it to a tree stump and the dumper and snapped it trying to yank the stump out)..

Carried on doing some earth moving and grading and whatnot….



Filled a hole with some rocks..



And it is slowly starting to resemble an entrance ramp fit for a “park home”…



Still needs a fair bit more work early doors tomorrow to get it where it needs to be but I trialled it this evening and managed to get our Audi A5 up and into the garden with ease… so, fingers crossed smile

Cheers all


Austin_Metro

1,225 posts

49 months

Thursday 10th February 2022
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CTO, have you missed a trick in purchasing that luxurious park home when you have a collection of perfectly formed cave houses?

Invite Netflix to film and it’s a cash contributor to the build …

CTO

Original Poster:

2,653 posts

211 months

Thursday 10th February 2022
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Can’t do that unfortunately, I’ve offered the one with a chimney to the future mother in law as a granny annexe wink