Kitchens - cheap vs expensive
Discussion
Cascade360 said:
Tony Angelino said:
Whatever you're doing with your kitchens, I would get decided quickly and get the price tied up. There are some major supply issues coming down the track about to hit the trade.
16 to 24 week wait on some Neff ovens apparently...Sheepshanks said:
My wife is so flummoxed by the sizing of the current Neff doubles that perhaps we'll keep our old one. I suppose if we do change it, then it might rocket in value, like used cars have!
You can thank energy ratings for that… still the old 1 & 1/3 double ovens are a dying breed, only supported in the lower ranges mostly for the replacement market. iphonedyou said:
garyhun said:
I’ve had a full oven and combi steam before and now have two full ovens. Some may manage but I’d never be without two full size ovens again.
Thanks. It's been switched for a full size oven.It's not the end of the world by any stretch but I'd rather have two full size ovens. Or two full size and two combi.
Another tip: with warming drawers the small ones are for decoration. Go full size.
RevHappy said:
Cascade360 said:
Tony Angelino said:
Whatever you're doing with your kitchens, I would get decided quickly and get the price tied up. There are some major supply issues coming down the track about to hit the trade.
16 to 24 week wait on some Neff ovens apparently...mikey_b said:
RevHappy said:
Cascade360 said:
Tony Angelino said:
Whatever you're doing with your kitchens, I would get decided quickly and get the price tied up. There are some major supply issues coming down the track about to hit the trade.
16 to 24 week wait on some Neff ovens apparently...
RevHappy said:
Cascade360 said:
Tony Angelino said:
Whatever you're doing with your kitchens, I would get decided quickly and get the price tied up. There are some major supply issues coming down the track about to hit the trade.
16 to 24 week wait on some Neff ovens apparently...RevHappy said:
Cascade360 said:
Tony Angelino said:
Whatever you're doing with your kitchens, I would get decided quickly and get the price tied up. There are some major supply issues coming down the track about to hit the trade.
16 to 24 week wait on some Neff ovens apparently...We ordered our Neff ovens and hobs in November for a Q1/2022 project. A couple of weeks ago the kitchen company was saying "another 10-16 weeks". Yesterday the hob and warming drawer were delivered, which was the original promised delivery date. We're still waiting on a date for the ovens. The kitchen company is saying they hear nothing then all of a sudden a shipment arrives. We're currently in week 3 of a 5 week kitchen renovation and they've said if the Neff ovens aren't here by the end they will just fit a couple of other ovens as a temporary solution and then come back and fit the Neff ones when they arrive.
mikey_b said:
Neff is a U.K. brand? Aren’t Neff, Bosch, and Siemens products more or less identical apart from the labels stamped on them?
Neff is a strange one, it’s a sub brand of the big Bosch Siemens Home group, who a part of the massive Bosch/Siemens who make a silly number of thing, traffic lights, trains, fuel injection etc. Although founded in Germany it’s not a big player, when the changed the design, features and colour (it used to come in cream, green and brown) for the U.K. market it exploded and made them a fortune. Ironically it’s now gone back across and available in more places, got to love twisted marketing. But Bosch and Siemens are still the be two global suppliers of appliances.
48k said:
Neff is a German brand, They are owned by the same German group that owns Siemans, Bosch and Gaggenau. There is commonality of components and due to Covid and factory shutdowns they have had supply issues for the last 8 months or so.
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The older guard in the trade, Neff is still seen as a U.K. brand as that was the biggest Market, they soften the look and added U.K. features and allowed the design to work in more traditional kitchens. It’s now a marketing thing to make it more German. It has a few unique features like the hide and slide door that you won’t see on Bosch or Siemens. Bosch is the Everyman product and Siemens the tech lead mostly integrated appliances costing more. Gaggenau is the a global sub brand of BSH who purchased them years ago to buy all the patents. My Gaggenau is a global brand unlike neff and the Bentley of the group. .
Ordered all my appliances this morning, all Neff, including two Neff single ovens. Figured it best to get things moving given the apparently long lead times. Now just to finalise the kitchen design, which is starting to look very much like the suggestions above, so thanks for those! Still undecided between saving a grand or so on painted MDF rather than solid wood, will probably end up going with the latter.
Cascade360 said:
Ordered all my appliances this morning, all Neff, including two Neff single ovens. Figured it best to get things moving given the apparently long lead times. Now just to finalise the kitchen design, which is starting to look very much like the suggestions above, so thanks for those! Still undecided between saving a grand or so on painted MDF rather than solid wood, will probably end up going with the latter.
Paint on mdf will be smother than on wood. RevHappy said:
Cascade360 said:
Ordered all my appliances this morning, all Neff, including two Neff single ovens. Figured it best to get things moving given the apparently long lead times. Now just to finalise the kitchen design, which is starting to look very much like the suggestions above, so thanks for those! Still undecided between saving a grand or so on painted MDF rather than solid wood, will probably end up going with the latter.
Paint on mdf will be smother than on wood. loughran said:
RevHappy said:
Cascade360 said:
Ordered all my appliances this morning, all Neff, including two Neff single ovens. Figured it best to get things moving given the apparently long lead times. Now just to finalise the kitchen design, which is starting to look very much like the suggestions above, so thanks for those! Still undecided between saving a grand or so on painted MDF rather than solid wood, will probably end up going with the latter.
Paint on mdf will be smother than on wood. I had a new kitchen fitted last year. Is ok apart from the cabinets are just not durable.
They are matt white 'strada' units with no handles. The units arrived with poor application on some of the corners and we have had several units chip with normal wear and tear. They cant take a normal knock it seems....
The kitchen shop have replaced them but have now refused to do 1 unit for free now...
A couple of the plinths have chipped and split after my wife has been at them with her mop as well.
Good job i am moving in 3 weeks.
The new house will need a new kitchen next year but its a hard choice to know how much to spend/what units/worktop fitter...
I want a mid range kitchen with quartz/marble worktop based in kent if anyone can recommend a firm please!
They are matt white 'strada' units with no handles. The units arrived with poor application on some of the corners and we have had several units chip with normal wear and tear. They cant take a normal knock it seems....
The kitchen shop have replaced them but have now refused to do 1 unit for free now...
A couple of the plinths have chipped and split after my wife has been at them with her mop as well.
Good job i am moving in 3 weeks.
The new house will need a new kitchen next year but its a hard choice to know how much to spend/what units/worktop fitter...
I want a mid range kitchen with quartz/marble worktop based in kent if anyone can recommend a firm please!
For the units to chip it sounds like they were painted with a very hard-setting 2-pack paint. Very durable in itself but it's the substrate that's the problem. A decent bang and the paint will chip like the shell of an egg because what's behind it isn't as hard as the surface.
I use normal F&B paint because, although it's not as hard as the chemical stuff, it's retouchable and repairs can be carried out invisibly. Unfortunately Kent is out of our fitting team's area
I use normal F&B paint because, although it's not as hard as the chemical stuff, it's retouchable and repairs can be carried out invisibly. Unfortunately Kent is out of our fitting team's area
I’ve never really seen the point of painted kitchens and the need for it to be touched up. My old kitchen as a factory spray and lacquer and after over a decade there wasn’t a chip or dink on any frontal.
The only upside of a painted kitchen I can see is the ability to repaint in a different colour once you maybe get board with it???
Now a wood kitchen I get and can have a real beauty to them, but why then paint the thing?
The only upside of a painted kitchen I can see is the ability to repaint in a different colour once you maybe get board with it???
Now a wood kitchen I get and can have a real beauty to them, but why then paint the thing?
RevHappy said:
I’ve never really seen the point of painted kitchens and the need for it to be touched up. My old kitchen as a factory spray and lacquer and after over a decade there wasn’t a chip or dink on any frontal.
The only upside of a painted kitchen I can see is the ability to repaint in a different colour once you maybe get board with it???
Now a wood kitchen I get and can have a real beauty to them, but why then paint the thing?
The first two kitchens I ever did were American Ash with a natural finish, lovey stuff. None of my customers have wanted a wood kitchen with a clear finish for the last fifteen years.The only upside of a painted kitchen I can see is the ability to repaint in a different colour once you maybe get board with it???
Now a wood kitchen I get and can have a real beauty to them, but why then paint the thing?
RevHappy said:
I’ve never really seen the point of painted kitchens and the need for it to be touched up. My old kitchen as a factory spray and lacquer and after over a decade there wasn’t a chip or dink on any frontal.
The only upside of a painted kitchen I can see is the ability to repaint in a different colour once you maybe get board with it???
Now a wood kitchen I get and can have a real beauty to them, but why then paint the thing?
Some people are hard on their kitchens. Families with young kids running riot, cooks who enjoy cooking a lot or people who like to socialise and party in their kitchen can all have an effect over five or ten years.The only upside of a painted kitchen I can see is the ability to repaint in a different colour once you maybe get board with it???
Now a wood kitchen I get and can have a real beauty to them, but why then paint the thing?
With a hand painted kitchen a painter can make the whole kitchen look brand new in about a week and as you say, a change of colour is no problem at all, keeping up with whatever F&B or Little Greene have decreed current this season.
singlecoil said:
The first two kitchens I ever did were American Ash with a natural finish, lovey stuff. None of my customers have wanted a wood kitchen with a clear finish for the last fifteen years.
Let’s hope wood makes a comeback, fluted wood fronts are looking trendy but a bugger to clean. I completed a book matched veneer and colour kitchen that looked great. Much like ten years ago when I got bored of white kitchen, then the land of taupe everything (thanks Kelly H) I wonder how long the current grey trend will last and don’t get me started on navy blue and brass…. Gassing Station | Homes, Gardens and DIY | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff