Kitchens - cheap vs expensive

[Jambo85]

Sport_Turismo_GTS said:

Jambo85 said:

Sport_Turismo_GTS said:

Miele seem to have a good reputation as a high end manufacturer and are advertised as being ‘designed for 20 years’ use’ (or whatever), but is it right that they only offer a 2-year warranty, the same as most other brands? It seems a bit inconsistent, unless I’m missing something?

There have been full threads on here about Miele. You can sometimes get them with 5 or 10 yr warranties, but either way they tend to last a while before giving any problems and you can at least get them fixed when they do.

Sounds like it’s worth the upfront cost, in that case,

Assuming you’re not choosing between buying appliances and feeding your family, I’d say so - we just spent £500 getting our 12 yr old Miele washer/dryer fixed. Madness when you consider what you could buy new for less, but if you commit to a £1500 machine you don’t bin it at the first sign of trouble, IMO.

[cptsideways]

In light of the chip shortages there is a good thing coming from it.....


A shortage of effing bloody bongs from electronic white good devices. Our Panasonic washing machine makes a 30 second long god awful annoying racket at the end of every cycle, it drives me insane. The Beko dryer less so but still does and relentlessly every 20 mins until you attend to it.

Modern functionality should not mean more effing beeps!!

Hallelujah to the chip shortages

[Sport_Turismo_GTS]

Jambo85 said:

Sport_Turismo_GTS said:

Jambo85 said:

Sport_Turismo_GTS said:

Miele seem to have a good reputation as a high end manufacturer and are advertised as being ‘designed for 20 years’ use’ (or whatever), but is it right that they only offer a 2-year warranty, the same as most other brands? It seems a bit inconsistent, unless I’m missing something?

There have been full threads on here about Miele. You can sometimes get them with 5 or 10 yr warranties, but either way they tend to last a while before giving any problems and you can at least get them fixed when they do.

Sounds like it’s worth the upfront cost, in that case,

Assuming you’re not choosing between buying appliances and feeding your family, I’d say so - we just spent £500 getting our 12 yr old Miele washer/dryer fixed. Madness when you consider what you could buy new for less, but if you commit to a £1500 machine you don’t bin it at the first sign of trouble, IMO.

Thanks - I’m particularly interested in what you said about sometimes being able to get these with a 5 or 10 year guarantee. We’d be kitting out a kitchen and utility, albeit don’t need a big oven as we have an Aga.

[Jambo85]

Sport_Turismo_GTS said:

Thanks - I’m particularly interested in what you said about sometimes being able to get these with a 5 or 10 year guarantee. We’d be kitting out a kitchen and utility, albeit don’t need a big oven as we have an Aga.

Best plan is to dig up the Miele threads as I don’t know much more, I think they’re usually time based e.g. in January when they’re trying to shift them.

[Sport_Turismo_GTS]

Jambo85 said:

Best plan is to dig up the Miele threads as I don’t know much more, I think they’re usually time based e.g. in January when they’re trying to shift them.

I’ll take a look, thanks. Our Kitchen refurbishment won’t be planned until towards the end of the year, as we have other priorities got the house this year, so Jan might work quite well!

[48k]

Sheepshanks said:

48k said:

Just boinging this FWIW - the combi oven that was due on 30th March was delivered yesterday. Still no date for the main oven. The kitchen company have said they are not going to be offering NEFF products going forward as it's not worth it (I think they are running out of loaner ovens )

Can I asked which microwave you went for?

Microwaves are the one applicance we've had lots of trouble with and we (well my wife) only use it for warming stuff up so spending a chunky amount on one grates. But I don't want a standalone one on the worktop (which is what we do now).

We ordered the C28MT27HOB. Hoping it's as good as our existing Sage combi microwave / air fryer which has been magnificent for the last 8 weeks that we haven't had a kitchen. It's currently still in service, sat in the gap where the Neff will sit when it gets fitted next week.

[RevHappy]

Sport_Turismo_GTS said:

Thanks - I’m particularly interested in what you said about sometimes being able to get these with a 5 or 10 year guarantee. We’d be kitting out a kitchen and utility, albeit don’t need a big oven as we have an Aga.

The longer 5 & 10 year ones are generally only on a few freestanding appliances. Built in is 2 year but are some rivals are bumping up to 5 years so this might change.

[RevHappy]

singlecoil said:

toasty said:

We’ve had 90% installed now. Still waiting on the Neffs. Some kitchen panels were the wrong size so 5-6 weeks to get them replaced. The plumber couldn’t work out the Quooker tap so is doing homework before coming back next week. The Amtico flooring doesn’t reach the kick boards in a few places so we’ll need new tiles. Apart from that it’s great. ??

May I ask which supplier it is, to take so long?

5-6 weeks for European made panels is the norm, if not longer. Nearly two weeks will be factory to warehouse, warehouse to client…

[neth27]

toasty said:

We’ve had 90% installed now. Still waiting on the Neffs. Some kitchen panels were the wrong size so 5-6 weeks to get them replaced. The plumber couldn’t work out the Quooker tap so is doing homework before coming back next week. The Amtico flooring doesn’t reach the kick boards in a few places so we’ll need new tiles. Apart from that it’s great. ??

I think you need a new plumber. I installed mine easily by following the instructions. I think it took around 1 hour. Most of that time was trying to get access to remove the old tap.

[sam greenock]

Jambo85 said:

Sport_Turismo_GTS said:

Jambo85 said:

Sport_Turismo_GTS said:

Miele seem to have a good reputation as a high end manufacturer and are advertised as being ‘designed for 20 years’ use’ (or whatever), but is it right that they only offer a 2-year warranty, the same as most other brands? It seems a bit inconsistent, unless I’m missing something?

There have been full threads on here about Miele. You can sometimes get them with 5 or 10 yr warranties, but either way they tend to last a while before giving any problems and you can at least get them fixed when they do.

Sounds like it’s worth the upfront cost, in that case,

Assuming you’re not choosing between buying appliances and feeding your family, I’d say so - we just spent £500 getting our 12 yr old Miele washer/dryer fixed. Madness when you consider what you could buy new for less, but if you commit to a £1500 machine you don’t bin it at the first sign of trouble, IMO.

Our Miele washing machine has just turned 12, it came with a 10 year warranty, which we never needed. Touch wood that it continues as it’s doing, which is working well.

This replaced a Siemens washing machine, which was bought due to it having a 10 year warranty but Siemens then decided it was only a 5 year one, it was a reliable as a chocolate fire-guard and we got rid of it after 6 years as the main control board went again

[mikey_b]

RevHappy said:

Sport_Turismo_GTS said:

Thanks - I’m particularly interested in what you said about sometimes being able to get these with a 5 or 10 year guarantee. We’d be kitting out a kitchen and utility, albeit don’t need a big oven as we have an Aga.

The longer 5 & 10 year ones are generally only on a few freestanding appliances. Built in is 2 year but are some rivals are bumping up to 5 years so this might change.

I thought that Miele used to do 5 or 10 year warranties on a lot more items than they do now. This poses a problem, because the people saying their 12yo Miele machines have been awesome are using machines built when the factory was confident enough in the build quality to issue them with long warranties.

Just seems odd they would drop the warranty on most things down to 2, whilst still marketing as 'built for 20 year life'. It's exactly what you would expect a company happy to trade on it's reputation to do whilst it cuts away at the quality and build cost - which makes me nervous.

That said, I have Miele cylinder cleaner and it is excellent and built very well.

[Sport_Turismo_GTS]

mikey_b said:

Just seems odd they would drop the warranty on most things down to 2, whilst still marketing as 'built for 20 year life'. It's exactly what you would expect a company happy to trade on it's reputation to do whilst it cuts away at the quality and build cost - which makes me nervous.

This was exactly what led to my first post on this thread.

[singlecoil]

RevHappy said:

singlecoil said:

toasty said:

We’ve had 90% installed now. Still waiting on the Neffs. Some kitchen panels were the wrong size so 5-6 weeks to get them replaced. The plumber couldn’t work out the Quooker tap so is doing homework before coming back next week. The Amtico flooring doesn’t reach the kick boards in a few places so we’ll need new tiles. Apart from that it’s great. ??

May I ask which supplier it is, to take so long?

5-6 weeks for European made panels is the norm, if not longer. Nearly two weeks will be factory to warehouse, warehouse to client…

So not the sort of thing for a man in a hurry then

[Sheepshanks]

48k said:

We ordered the C28MT27HOB.

Gulp! I'm feeling miffed about the one we picked at £700 - it's got poor reviews and I'm sure it'll only ever get used for warming things up. Wife is adamant she wants a double oven and in the layout we've got an integrated microwave can really only go in the island.

[toasty]

Sheepshanks said:

Gulp! I'm feeling miffed about the one we picked at £700 - it's got poor reviews and I'm sure it'll only ever get used for warming things up. Wife is adamant she wants a double oven and in the layout we've got an integrated microwave can really only go in the island.

It’s what we’ve got on order too. Who knows when it’ll turn up? Maybe a nice Xmas present.

[LocoBlade]

toasty said:

Sheepshanks said:

Gulp! I'm feeling miffed about the one we picked at £700 - it's got poor reviews and I'm sure it'll only ever get used for warming things up. Wife is adamant she wants a double oven and in the layout we've got an integrated microwave can really only go in the island.

It’s what we’ve got on order too. Who knows when it’ll turn up? Maybe a nice Xmas present.

Siemens seem to be the only one of the three mainstream Bosch group brands that do full size combi microwave/ovens which is what we went with, at least it doubles up as a proper sized oven and looks symmetrical sitting in the tall unit alongside the regular oven without needing a narrow warming drawer underneath to even things up.

Edited by LocoBlade on Monday 18th April 18:07

[KTMsm]

sam greenock said:

Our Miele washing machine has just turned 12, it came with a 10 year warranty, which we never needed. Touch wood that it continues as it’s doing, which is working well.

My Zanussi washing machine is 22 years old and has never broken, a Beko fridge and freezer of the same age are still fine too.

I think it's like cars - in the old days German cars were better built but for the last 30 years they - and other white goods - are all pretty similar

[sam greenock]

KTMsm said:

My Zanussi washing machine is 22 years old and has never broken, a Beko fridge and freezer of the same age are still fine too.

I think it's like cars - in the old days German cars were better built but for the last 30 years they - and other white goods - are all pretty similar

Think a lot of time it’s just down to luck of the draw

My parents bought a Siemens dishwasher in 1986, it was still going strong when I sold their house in 2007, I know that it was still used regularly to around 2012, dunno what happened to it after that. It was quite simplistic and not endowed with lots of electronics, maybe that’s why it lasted so well

[James6112]

Miele here, washing machine is 12 years old, one repair @ 9.5 years foc
Dishwasher 12 years old, never missed a beat.
Tumble drier died @ 10 years Replaced by a Siemens. Hugely disappointed . Will flog it soon.
Based upon the Miele past, 2 x ovens / microwave combi / warming drawer / Induction hob being delivered next week. To go into Wren Kitchen fitted in 2 weeks into new extension. Ordered the Kitchen / appliances in Dec in anticipation.
From 3 sources for availability even then.
One extravagance is a very bling cooker hood / glitter globe
2.5k new. But a £500 ebay purchase! A couple of years old. I stripped it down & dishwashed it all. Replaced a worn cosmetic part for £50. Looks like new .

Edited by James6112 on Monday 18th April 23:04

[Sheepshanks]

The particularly annoying thing with new stuff, apart from the “they don’t make ‘em like they used to” longevity aspect is they often don’t perform like the old machines.

We just replaced 20yr old Bosch dishwasher and washing machines and neither wash as well as the old ones, and I noticed reading the Neff integrated microwave reviews there’s multiple comments to the same effect.