Kitchens - cheap vs expensive

Kitchens - cheap vs expensive

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caiss4

1,894 posts

198 months

Tuesday 16th August 2022
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Just read through this thread from the beginning as we've just about completed our kitchen refit. We committed back in January and paid an initial deposit of around £4K so that the appliances could be ordered (Neff ovens, microwave, Bora hob, Caple fridge, freezer and wine cooler). The kitchen company was already advising back in November last year that Neff lead times were a minimum of 16 weeks but as we were having some building works done which were scheduled to start in June we weren't particularly concerned.

The kitchen company placed orders first week of February but come the end of June they still did not have a delivery date for the ovens! The kitchen was delivered to site 22nd July and fortuitously the ovens had arrived two days before.

On 14th June the original kitchen looked like this:




Around 8 weeks and £70k later:





The kitchen was around £40k all in including quartz tops, appliances and install. Building/windows/electrics/extensive plumbing/new floor and AV soaked up the rest. I know i paid a premium to have my builder project manage the trades but they were all first class and the project ran bang on time.

iphonedyou

9,264 posts

158 months

Tuesday 16th August 2022
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princeperch said:
Everyone has a right to spend their money how they want.
Quite.

smile

montymoo

376 posts

168 months

Wednesday 17th August 2022
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Firstly thanks for all the advice and opinions that have been provided, While i started to reply to reply to some of the comments yesterday. We have had a gradual change it what we want to do but i didn't want to delete the responses and lead you to believe i hadn't read the replies.
So if some of the replies don't agree with what i wrote after thats the reason.


James6112 said:
I agree that the natural wood / hob, would be a bit of a faff.
Not wishing to appear rude, but 50k for the kitchen? sounds on the high side. Looks 25k including appliances, but i’m tight!
Another commenter mentioned some sort of wood effect tile guard that i am gonna investigate more, as we love the idea of natural wood in the kitchen.


number2 said:
There's 9k of ovens there but looks quite small for 50k. Perhaps the finishes are putting the price up.

Wood behind the hob probably isn't a good idea.

Feels a bit disjointed - is there anything between the two runs of units?

The extractor looks odd next to the wall cupboards as they are at a different level. Perhaps get a downdraft and lose the wall cupboards - maybe use some floating shelves.

Using the hob and the sink you're facing a wall which might feel odd.

Do you have enough usable work surface? Including near the ovens to put hot trays etc?

On the sink side, it would look better if what I assume is the dishwasher door followed the drawer lines - either having a groove on the door or a drawed dishwasher.

Appreciate this isn't a wholly positive response!
No, this is exactly what i am after, honest responses and differant perspectives.
I dont think the rendering shows just how much workspace there is, there is more than shown, i was initially concerned as well but it is enough.
We are gonna investigate the downdraft system more.


loughran said:
I like it. The pale cabinet layout is rather Frank Lloyd Wright with hints of Falling Water.

The contrasting tall cabinets across the room also look good, what finish is that …. Death Star black?

I would say an overhead extractor does a better job than a downdraught but the downdraughts from Neff and Miele are pretty good. They do however steal a lot of space from the cabinet below the hob.

Some wood effect porcelain tiles are incredibly realistic these days and would be fine behind the hob but you need to see them and touch them to appreciate the difference in quality.

You won’t want to keep the coffee machine there for long if you like sausages.

Are they Gaggenau appliances ? I find them a bit lumpy and clunky and prefer Miele but that’s just personal. I’m fitting a Miele full surface induction hob at the moment and it’s a marvellous thing.
The dark cabinets are i believe Antracite metallic, this side of the kitchen we are very happy with, its proving far trickier the hob side.
We initially opted for the overhead extraction to free up more space in what is a difficult layout, however i now want to look at what we could achieve with a downdraft system, I much prefer a moka pot for my coffee than the machine stuff.



princeperch said:
49k? Is this a typo?

I'm about to have what I think is objectively a very attractive kitchen fitted (7.1m long) (as part of a much larger job) and it's coming in at 8.5k including appliances/separate island with power/quartz worktop (excluding fitting. I did a lot of shopping about for the best prices.

I shall post pictures in due course.
No typo, The kitchen is about 10 percent of the value of the house,15 to 20k is on appliances i think.
When we bought the house we knew we would be spending money here due to a not perfect layout, but the rest of the house and location are perfect. Yes please, the more kitchens i see the the more inspiration i take.

Sheepshanks said:
I read the post as meaning they've got £50K to spend on the house overall.

If it's £50K for the kitchen then that'd be good going in the space available.
Its 50k for the kitchen, we budgeted this when we bought the house, and the rest we will furnish for about 20k, excluding the man cave, which ill start with next year.


21TonyK said:
I like the style but the practicalities of not having a worktop within immediate reach of an oven would be a concern. Depends a lot on how and how much a kitchen is used I guess.
Point noted, yes we will be making a 180 in order to put the chicken on the work top, but its something i think we can manage. and i dont see how we could change it given the layout we are working with.
cheers


JQ said:
Ultimately, it depends on the value of the house - a £50k kitchen in a £750,000 house would be fine, in a £250,000 starter house it would be a waste (in my opinion). Unless of course the starter house is to be a forever home.

My only comment of the design is having utensils behind the hob would mean you'll be constantly cleaning them, would drive me nuts.

I like the design, units look lovely.
The house is where i plan on staying,I have been living and working nearby for 6 years and my partner has just had a promotion and is working nearby too. 15 to 20 mins to work, plenty of green around, good schools in the area and plenty of space for eventual child and dog, this is a few years away i hope!
The utensils are on a sliding rack that can be pushed to the right and hidden behind the black thing behind the sink.
Id go crazy having to clean greese off them every time we cooked.


singlecoil said:
Worth bearing in mind with any interior designer is that if they are recommending a particular make then they are probably getting a commission from that company.
Without a doubt, However
She has been very open with how it all works and pricing, we have pressed for the appliances and the brands which we want and she has been very helpful


A couple of points have been made regarding the cost, could we do it cheaper, yeah i guess so. But we take enjoyment from a nice house, and especially the kitchen.



ben5575 said:
Well you've asked for advice, but I've spoilered in case you are of a sensitive disposition...

I read it that you're spending £50k on a kitchen. Personally I think that's mental but each to their own smile

Never trust an interior designer who puts bar stools at a breakfast bar
Brown/Cream looks nice, but was big in 2016 before blue kitchens became a thing
I don't know the dims of the room, but looking at the capture, the space between either wall will be over 1600. Anything over that and you have to take multiple steps to cross the floor to do anything.
Workspace is the most important commodity in a kitchen. Looks like to may have 1200 or so between the hob and sink. When you're cooking and have pans off the heat and measuring jugs around the sink you'll have around 600 useable worktop.
That worktop is encroached on by the shelving whoich as other have pointed out is behind the hob
When you're fighting hot/dirty pans whilst chopping veg and making gravy you wont care about your £kkk oven.
Talking of which you'll need to take the chicken out of the oven and put it somewhere, then carve it. On top of your veg, gravy and dirty dishes??
I don't need to say anything about the wall units/extractor wink

You mention that it's an independent builder and you can tell - there is no design in the original floor plan - you don't put patio doors in the middle of a kitchen.

What's in the other half of the room? Is it a kitchen diner? Is there a window opposite the patio doors? If so I would consider re-orientating everything with the kitchen at the other end and the diner by the external doors. At the moment you're living the consequences of the poor 'design' decisions that the independent builder made on day.
Appreciate everyone taking the time to respond especially when they are raising good points.

This what we knew when getting the house, the kitchen dining area layout we struggled with, and the floor plan was just a bit off.
But the rest of the house more than makes up for this, ill be generous and call it querkiness.

Reckoning we need to get an architect in, which we had been thinking about and give us some idea if this is possible and how it would look.

Anyway gents, thanks for your observations, we are still early doors re kitchen design
The lighter side of the kitchen as we are not entirley happy with it .
However we really do like the dark side of the kitchen and how the appliances blend in, so i would like to try and keep that look.

We have already made a couple of phone calls this morning regarding possible re orientation of the kitchen and looks like something for us to investigate.

Ill keep the thread updated, over the coming weeks and months.


JQ

5,765 posts

180 months

Wednesday 17th August 2022
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Great response.

A couple of extra points from me :

Kids and dogs come around a lot quicker than you might think. If this house doesn't accommodate expansion, then it's definitely not your forever home and that £50k will be lost when you come to sell. If you're happy with that, which you certainly appear to be, then all good. If you love cooking then I can understand it. There's plenty of people on here who'd think nothing of dropping 50k in depreciation on a car over a far shorter period than the life of a kitchen.

There's now talk about architects and awkward shapes. As someone else suggested, live in the house for a period (6-12 months), don't rush into things. We did a ground floor extension in our last house and regretted it. To the point our next extension was going to involve knocking it down, however we ended up moving. The house we're in now is a top to bottom re-furb and having spent 2 years doing the upper floor and exterior buildings, we're now working on the ground floor. It's taken us a long time to work out how to reconfigure the GF to make it work for us. If we'd designed it before living in it, we wouldn't be doing what we're actually planning to do. It's really helpful to live in the space. Then get an architect in to finesse your thoughts, which is what we're doing.

Is it worth putting the layout on here to see if anyone can give some suggestions?

Best of luck with it all.

ARHarh

3,806 posts

108 months

Wednesday 17th August 2022
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This is something that has always puzzled me, why do people put so many ovens in their kitchens? Funny I have never felt the need for more than one oven. I know that this may seem like I am some sort of pauper, but we have managed to cook all the meals we have needed in the last 60 odd years with just one oven.

I bet most of those ovens have only been switched on to test them. smile

akirk

5,406 posts

115 months

Wednesday 17th August 2022
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ARHarh said:
This is something that has always puzzled me, why do people put so many ovens in their kitchens? Funny I have never felt the need for more than one oven. I know that this may seem like I am some sort of pauper, but we have managed to cook all the meals we have needed in the last 60 odd years with just one oven.

I bet most of those ovens have only been switched on to test them. smile
because they use them?! smile

we have two in the range cooker - one fan oven (main one used) and one non fan-assisted (used for more space).
a lot of batch cooking takes place here and therefore on a day set aside for cooking, both ovens will be in use, equally just cooking a decent roast for 6-8 people uses two ovens... and we use our house for all sorts of things - had a party for over 50 on Saturday, and have over 40 here for a BBQ this coming Saturday (currently own 3 x BBQ)

so, widely used!

PositronicRay

27,091 posts

184 months

Wednesday 17th August 2022
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ARHarh said:
This is something that has always puzzled me, why do people put so many ovens in their kitchens? Funny I have never felt the need for more than one oven. I know that this may seem like I am some sort of pauper, but we have managed to cook all the meals we have needed in the last 60 odd years with just one oven.

I bet most of those ovens have only been switched on to test them. smile
We have two and use them. Main oven + a small oven/microwave.



Edited by PositronicRay on Wednesday 17th August 15:28

bennno

11,738 posts

270 months

Wednesday 17th August 2022
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PositronicRay said:
ARHarh said:
This is something that has always puzzled me, why do people put so many ovens in their kitchens? Funny I have never felt the need for more than one oven. I know that this may seem like I am some sort of pauper, but we have managed to cook all the meals we have needed in the last 60 odd years with just one oven.

I bet most of those ovens have only been switched on to test them. smile
We have two and use them. Main oven + a small oven/microwave.



Edited by PositronicRay on Wednesday 17th August 15:28
So you have one oven and one microwave, confirming his point.

Biggus thingus

1,358 posts

45 months

Wednesday 17th August 2022
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PositronicRay said:
ARHarh said:
This is something that has always puzzled me, why do people put so many ovens in their kitchens? Funny I have never felt the need for more than one oven. I know that this may seem like I am some sort of pauper, but we have managed to cook all the meals we have needed in the last 60 odd years with just one oven.

I bet most of those ovens have only been switched on to test them. smile
We have two and use them. Main oven + a small oven/microwave.



Edited by PositronicRay on Wednesday 17th August 15:28
Each to their own but i'd class that as 1 oven and 1 microwave

Patch1875

4,897 posts

133 months

Wednesday 17th August 2022
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We move to a small new build development early next year. It’s a small developer so the kitchen is getting supplied and fitted by an interior design company. We picked it a couple of weeks ago it’s a German brand Nolte all looked very lovely in the showroom looks like they are a decent midrange brand.


PositronicRay

27,091 posts

184 months

Wednesday 17th August 2022
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Biggus thingus said:
PositronicRay said:
ARHarh said:
This is something that has always puzzled me, why do people put so many ovens in their kitchens? Funny I have never felt the need for more than one oven. I know that this may seem like I am some sort of pauper, but we have managed to cook all the meals we have needed in the last 60 odd years with just one oven.

I bet most of those ovens have only been switched on to test them. smile
We have two and use them. Main oven + a small oven/microwave.





Edited by PositronicRay on Wednesday 17th August 15:28
Each to their own but i'd class that as 1 oven and 1 microwave
2 x convection ovens, smaller one also microwaves.

James6112

4,477 posts

29 months

Wednesday 17th August 2022
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The boss wanted 2 ovens in new kitchen, as we used both in the gas range they replaced. Plus microwave/convection, warming drawer under.
Typically use both ovens 3 or 4 times a year. Haven’t tried the steam oven feature yet.
Thankfully ordered them last Dec, about 35% cheaper back then.
Neat how the clocks remain synched wi-fi etc

Edited by James6112 on Wednesday 17th August 22:57

FWIW

3,074 posts

98 months

Wednesday 17th August 2022
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James6112 said:

The boss wanted 2 ovens in new kitchen, as we used both in the gas range they replaced. Plus microwave/convection, warming drawer under.
Typically use both ovens 3 or 4 times a year. Haven’t tried the steam oven feature yet.
Thankfully ordered them last Dec, about 35% cheaper back then.
Near how the clocks remain synched wi-fi etc
Arrrgh!

RevHappy

1,840 posts

163 months

Thursday 18th August 2022
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James6112 said:
The boss wanted 2 ovens in new kitchen, as we used both in the gas range they replaced. Plus microwave/convection, warming drawer under.
Typically use both ovens 3 or 4 times a year. Haven’t tried the steam oven feature yet.
Thankfully ordered them last Dec, about 35% cheaper back then.
Neat how the clocks remain synched wi-fi etc

Edited by James6112 on Wednesday 17th August 22:57
I’m taking it you mean steam injection? Great for poultry and bread mostly, give it a go as you paid a premium for it.

RevHappy

1,840 posts

163 months

Thursday 18th August 2022
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ARHarh said:
This is something that has always puzzled me, why do people put so many ovens in their kitchens? Funny I have never felt the need for more than one oven. I know that this may seem like I am some sort of pauper, but we have managed to cook all the meals we have needed in the last 60 odd years with just one oven.

I bet most of those ovens have only been switched on to test them. smile
Generally as they do more than just a traditional old fan oven, plus if you like cooking you unlikely to cook everything at one temp or have the volume for great numbers. Puzzle solved.

RevHappy

1,840 posts

163 months

Thursday 18th August 2022
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montymoo said:
Hello , hope you don’t mind if I jump on this thread.

It’s our first house, new build from independent builder and it needs a new kitchen as the current one was there knowing it was gonna be ripped out.



Poor photo, it’s a freeze from video and the whole kitchen looks much colder than it actually is, but shows the limited space we are working with.

This is my first house so it’s all quite new. Budget is about 50k and it’s impressive how we can get through that.

The misses and myself were having a hard time imagining what we wanted. We ended up sitting down with a lovely interior designer to try and come up with ideas that we like.

Nothing is set in stone, and so far we have had rendered up the below.

Now one side of the kitchen I chose the materials, colours and the appliances while the other was the wife. So there is definitely some contrast but we think it works.






We do like it, but there’s a couple of things we are not sure on. Ie the extraction fan. Would we be better with some sort of down draft system?
The wood behind the induction hob while very nice has me concerned re cleaning if after frying something will repeated cleaning affect the look.

I think what I’m after is just some more opinions.
I have asked a few friends and this isn’t really an area they pay much attention too. They like the look, but that’s the limit of there input really.

Anyway was hoping for any advice
That looks to be designers portfolio kitchen if ever I saw one, basically over designed and spending other peoples money for fun and just to be different. If it was a £2M+ city apartment, a show pony kitchen, you’d spent £75K on with loads of slick finishes and appliances then maybe. Depending on who is making the kitchen, materials used and appliances specified it could be a £50k bargain or a rip. You can make everything look expensive in CGI and at 5m away…

princeperch

7,940 posts

248 months

Thursday 22nd September 2022
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my kitchen is going in at the moment.

from the stuff thats been delivered, I am pretty chuffed with it. it looks considerably more than the sum of its parts.

however the customer service from b&q has been shocking

1) half the fronts missing
2) random sized cabinets delivered, the ones we need missing
3) wrong hinges for bi fold doors
4) the island we asked him for and which is in the pictures was apparently not included (in error) in the final price we paid so I now have to pay for that although he is doing it at a substantial discount (but I still have a bitter taste in my mouth over it)


the bloke who designed it was a nice young chap but trying to get it resolved has been a major pain in the arse. I had to physically go into b&q and sit there and call customer services from his phone. The woman then essentially called me a liar and said nearly a grands worth of stuff is missing and she would need to do an investigation. the then concluded her investigation 2 hours later when she realised that there was no delivery note and no way of telling what had and had not been delivered.

in short a total st show - perhaps I should have had lower expectations. For what I paid however (and I placed the order back in May) I am very pleased. they have put the price of the midnight blue shaker style kitchen up quite bit since I placed my order a few months back.

rossyl

1,126 posts

168 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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DIY Kitchens - Notifying Damage after a few weeks - does anyone have any experience?

We had a delivery recently, but it won't get fitted till January. I don't want open up all the packaging as there is decorating taking place at the house, and it will likely cause more damage.

But I am a bit worried if we find any damage it'll be a 3 weeks after delivery and not sure if DIY Kitchens will replace it.

Has anyone been in a similar situation and able to comment?

Thanks

Minsky

334 posts

26 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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After many many months of looking at different options (including one of the providers on here) we have plumbed for a Naked Kitchen. Design is largely my own. Price was agreed before prices went up again and the Miele appliances are all paid for. Won't get fitted until May/June time (dependant on other issues).

It should end up looking like this although renders are due soon (excluding the clutter & clock) :



Over the kitchen island we're having acoustic batons. Taps etc will be black. J type handleless for the Oak fronts, oak long handles for the 2 pantry cupboards, We have Oyster coloured drawers running on one side of the island and these will have Buster and Punch handles. Worktop will be glass. Floor will be micro cement.

Not sure if that is useful to anyone looking for inspiration. Main thing for me is workflow. Thinking about how I do everything, from making my espresso in the morning to having a bowl of soup for lunch. It means that before I got to the design I roughly knew where everything would need to go. From that the design was pretty easy.

Remember - it is you that has to live with it, not the designer.

KTMsm

26,954 posts

264 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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rossyl said:
DIY Kitchens - Notifying Damage after a few weeks - does anyone have any experience?

We had a delivery recently, but it won't get fitted till January. I don't want open up all the packaging as there is decorating taking place at the house, and it will likely cause more damage.

But I am a bit worried if we find any damage it'll be a 3 weeks after delivery and not sure if DIY Kitchens will replace it.

Has anyone been in a similar situation and able to comment?

Thanks
I'm sure they gave a time period to report damage - I thought it was 48 hours