The 4 Month House Renovation
Discussion
Hoofy said:
Ok, I'm confused then. What's the flat bit at the top if not a flat roof?
Ah, I get you now 
I would call a flat roof being the whole thing. The dormer roof is going to be one of the newer fibre glass solutions. Much better and stronger than the old felted methods. The last one we had was fine for the 10 years we lived in it so I have no worries about what they're doing here.
Understand your views on the dormer, but that's an essential part to give us head room for access into the bedroom. I agree, it's not the most attractive solution, but hopefully with the materials chosen it'll look better than the model suggests
Ranger 6 said:
Hoofy said:
Ok, I'm confused then. What's the flat bit at the top if not a flat roof?
Ah, I get you now I would call a flat roof being the whole thing. The dormer roof is going to be one of the newer fibre glass solutions. Much better and stronger than the old felted methods. The last one we had was fine for the 10 years we lived in it so I have no worries about what they're doing here.
Understand your views on the dormer, but that's an essential part to give us head room for access into the bedroom. I agree, it's not the most attractive solution, but hopefully with the materials chosen it'll look better than the model suggests
As for the aesthetics, just wondered if there was a better way that's both elegant and practical.
LOL childhood memories 
I'm an Army brat and any issues with the house would be swiftly fixed. My father was Garrison Commander in Germany so instantly went to the top of the list (RHIP they used to say - Rank Hath It's Privileges
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Yes we went through many iterations of what could be done - from the full square box clad in Larch, through a parallel pitched roof to the Mansard type. None really worked with the look of the place. Time will tell as to whether it comes out well, in many ways I'm not too worried about what is essentially the back of the house and can't be seen from the garden/patio
I'm an Army brat and any issues with the house would be swiftly fixed. My father was Garrison Commander in Germany so instantly went to the top of the list (RHIP they used to say - Rank Hath It's Privileges
)Yes we went through many iterations of what could be done - from the full square box clad in Larch, through a parallel pitched roof to the Mansard type. None really worked with the look of the place. Time will tell as to whether it comes out well, in many ways I'm not too worried about what is essentially the back of the house and can't be seen from the garden/patio
Ranger 6 said:
LOL childhood memories
I'm an Army brat and any issues with the house would be swiftly fixed. My father was Garrison Commander in Germany so instantly went to the top of the list (RHIP they used to say - Rank Hath It's Privileges )
Yes we went through many iterations of what could be done - from the full square box clad in Larch, through a parallel pitched roof to the Mansard type. None really worked with the look of the place. Time will tell as to whether it comes out well, in many ways I'm not too worried about what is essentially the back of the house and can't be seen from the garden/patio
Fair point.I'm an Army brat and any issues with the house would be swiftly fixed. My father was Garrison Commander in Germany so instantly went to the top of the list (RHIP they used to say - Rank Hath It's Privileges
)Yes we went through many iterations of what could be done - from the full square box clad in Larch, through a parallel pitched roof to the Mansard type. None really worked with the look of the place. Time will tell as to whether it comes out well, in many ways I'm not too worried about what is essentially the back of the house and can't be seen from the garden/patio
Respect to your dad btw.
thanks Catching up since Wednesday - here's the last couple of days
The kitchen wall has come down. The biggest issue that has exposed is that we can't push the steel flush into the ceiling due to a soil pipe from the bathrooms above. As with all these things, it could be possible, but the expense of re-routing the pipe is just too much.
This is the view from where the lounge door will be
This is roughly the same view, but with a guesstimate of where the dining table will be - obviously the wall to the left is going as well to give enough space to walk round the table. The actual size is yet to be fixed as we could go smaller and have seating for 5 rather than 7. The end of the island is in the middle of where the wall was and is roughly where the trestle is.
From the other side - again the step and the trestle are the approx Island layout. The corner of the doorway is going.
Round to the front - some more of the rough layout of the study and snug - the two straps on the floor is the study wall and the back of the shower tray is the wall between the study and the snug.
And after all the smashing down the deliveries have started. The foundations have been poured and the scaffolding will be here on Monday.
The kitchen wall has come down. The biggest issue that has exposed is that we can't push the steel flush into the ceiling due to a soil pipe from the bathrooms above. As with all these things, it could be possible, but the expense of re-routing the pipe is just too much.
This is the view from where the lounge door will be
This is roughly the same view, but with a guesstimate of where the dining table will be - obviously the wall to the left is going as well to give enough space to walk round the table. The actual size is yet to be fixed as we could go smaller and have seating for 5 rather than 7. The end of the island is in the middle of where the wall was and is roughly where the trestle is.
From the other side - again the step and the trestle are the approx Island layout. The corner of the doorway is going.
Round to the front - some more of the rough layout of the study and snug - the two straps on the floor is the study wall and the back of the shower tray is the wall between the study and the snug.
And after all the smashing down the deliveries have started. The foundations have been poured and the scaffolding will be here on Monday.
Ranger 6 said:
Ah, I get you now
I would call a flat roof being the whole thing. The dormer roof is going to be one of the newer fibre glass solutions. Much better and stronger than the old felted methods. The last one we had was fine for the 10 years we lived in it so I have no worries about what they're doing here.
Understand your views on the dormer, but that's an essential part to give us head room for access into the bedroom. I agree, it's not the most attractive solution, but hopefully with the materials chosen it'll look better than the model suggests
You could overcome the flat roof option - our garage has a long dormer that has a shallow sloped tiled roof that meet up with the top ridge. The exact angle I am not sure of but it is on the min recommended pitch and doesn’t leak.I would call a flat roof being the whole thing. The dormer roof is going to be one of the newer fibre glass solutions. Much better and stronger than the old felted methods. The last one we had was fine for the 10 years we lived in it so I have no worries about what they're doing here.
Understand your views on the dormer, but that's an essential part to give us head room for access into the bedroom. I agree, it's not the most attractive solution, but hopefully with the materials chosen it'll look better than the model suggests
Thanks for the suggestion - that looks lovely.
I think ours is just too shallow to go for something like that, and I don't want to end up like a friend who had leaks from water capiiliarying (if that 's a word) up through the roof tiles.
Scaffolders come tomorrow - let's see what else is happening as they're due to start on taking the chimney down too.
I think ours is just too shallow to go for something like that, and I don't want to end up like a friend who had leaks from water capiiliarying (if that 's a word) up through the roof tiles.
Scaffolders come tomorrow - let's see what else is happening as they're due to start on taking the chimney down too.
After starting a new job which means a lengthy commute for a few days a week, here's an update for the last few days.
Monday saw the scaffolders put up the platform to take down the chimney.That work continued through to Wednesday when they had it out down to ground level inside the boiler room (which will become the utility room)
Chimney half down - kitchen - looking into the boiler room
In other parts of the site, the brickies have started with loads of prep. Not much to show in pictures, but again good progress being made.
There's been an interesting, if not a little amusing, episode in trying to get the front door dipped. It's an old Oak door, that's actually quite large - 2.3m x 1.3m. After agreeing a price for hand finishing, the contractor's driver turned up to collect it and basically went 'oh f*ck that's massive' and drove away. More pricing negotiations followed and he's coming back another day to collect it. Time will tell if it's a good choice of company to do the job.
I'm expecting some real progress before the weekend, so look out for more pics soon.
Monday saw the scaffolders put up the platform to take down the chimney.That work continued through to Wednesday when they had it out down to ground level inside the boiler room (which will become the utility room)
Chimney half down - kitchen - looking into the boiler room
In other parts of the site, the brickies have started with loads of prep. Not much to show in pictures, but again good progress being made.
There's been an interesting, if not a little amusing, episode in trying to get the front door dipped. It's an old Oak door, that's actually quite large - 2.3m x 1.3m. After agreeing a price for hand finishing, the contractor's driver turned up to collect it and basically went 'oh f*ck that's massive' and drove away. More pricing negotiations followed and he's coming back another day to collect it. Time will tell if it's a good choice of company to do the job.
I'm expecting some real progress before the weekend, so look out for more pics soon.
A couple more from today:
Brickies doing well, the new front wall is coming up nicely. The lighter mortar on the left is where they've re-pointed the old bricks. The rest should be a similar colour once it's all dry.
The rest of the crew have been working at the back to take out the first of the old patio doors. The new aperture is going to have a 3m two pane sliding door set.
Brickies doing well, the new front wall is coming up nicely. The lighter mortar on the left is where they've re-pointed the old bricks. The rest should be a similar colour once it's all dry.
The rest of the crew have been working at the back to take out the first of the old patio doors. The new aperture is going to have a 3m two pane sliding door set.
A couple more from today - the end of week two
The front is coming up further
The kitchen sliding door aperture is getting there
The break through from the kitchen through the boiler room has started - this is what will become the utility room
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Windows being blocked up in the kitchen where the new units will be going
And the steels have arrived - strangely, even after getting all the vehicles out of the way and making space, the guy decided to stay at the gate, blocking the road, and use his crane to put them under the overhead electricity cables and next to the portaloo. I would say he was a master of the Hiab and had it done in minutes.
The front is coming up further
The kitchen sliding door aperture is getting there
The break through from the kitchen through the boiler room has started - this is what will become the utility room
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Windows being blocked up in the kitchen where the new units will be going
And the steels have arrived - strangely, even after getting all the vehicles out of the way and making space, the guy decided to stay at the gate, blocking the road, and use his crane to put them under the overhead electricity cables and next to the portaloo. I would say he was a master of the Hiab and had it done in minutes.
Quite a few changes this week. Much more is happening in detail, so the project is moving away from the big easy to see changes. Brick work is getting higher, although we did lose a day this week with the rain.
First to show is the steels in what will be the kitchen-dining room - the obvious one can't be pushed up any higher, which is a bit disappointing, but the other is well up and will be completely hidden when the ceiling goes in. I don't like the way the wide angle shows it, but it does include the two main pieces. I like how the space is opening up and have started to measure where the kitchen units will be going.
The aperture for the sliding doors is very close to being finished, with the steel in place and the brick work finished.
I mentioned the challenge of getting the post in next to the waste pipe - the builders have worked really well to minimise the impact it'll make in the finished wall.
Round the front the lintels have been fitted to the front wall and up to height for the joists to go on.
Difficult to show from the outside because of the scaffolding
First to show is the steels in what will be the kitchen-dining room - the obvious one can't be pushed up any higher, which is a bit disappointing, but the other is well up and will be completely hidden when the ceiling goes in. I don't like the way the wide angle shows it, but it does include the two main pieces. I like how the space is opening up and have started to measure where the kitchen units will be going.
The aperture for the sliding doors is very close to being finished, with the steel in place and the brick work finished.
I mentioned the challenge of getting the post in next to the waste pipe - the builders have worked really well to minimise the impact it'll make in the finished wall.
Round the front the lintels have been fitted to the front wall and up to height for the joists to go on.
Difficult to show from the outside because of the scaffolding
After a weekend break for us away in Italy, there's been progress, but again not much to photograph.
The new water main has been dug in to the front, ready to run out to the meter/stop cock in the road. The utility room floor has been poured and the wall broken through. Upstairs, the joists and floor has been put in and the Brickie working away round the edges - is it 'wall plate'? - and the new gable end.
The funny thing is it just seems so much bigger than we expected. Knowing the gable end was going to be the same height as the top of the existing roof doesn't really make a difference as it's going up it just looms over us
Floor going on and gable end starting
Joists and floor down (covered in plastic to protect from the weather), the gable end grows
Utility room, now with a floor
The new water main has been dug in to the front, ready to run out to the meter/stop cock in the road. The utility room floor has been poured and the wall broken through. Upstairs, the joists and floor has been put in and the Brickie working away round the edges - is it 'wall plate'? - and the new gable end.
The funny thing is it just seems so much bigger than we expected. Knowing the gable end was going to be the same height as the top of the existing roof doesn't really make a difference as it's going up it just looms over us
Floor going on and gable end starting
Joists and floor down (covered in plastic to protect from the weather), the gable end grows
Utility room, now with a floor
Ranger 6 said:
That sounds interesting - our last renovation had to include a hip due to the planners insistence. We were the first ones to do a loft conversion on our road.
As with all these things we expect to see a thread!
Yes - totally intend to do that - on hold at the moment because of various reasons like material prices, builders quotes, interest rates etc etc. Probably not that far from you, down near Horsham in West Sussex.As with all these things we expect to see a thread!
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