New build deviating from plans…
Discussion
Toaster Pilot said:
Zarco said:
Really feel for you, unbelievable stuff.
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Puzzles said:
Have they put the staircase in slightly out?
If that’s the case then it goes right back to the joists being fitted, I doubt the stair well is in the wrong place, I always check and check again when setting out stair wells when joisting as if it’s wrong it’s a major job to rectify as it won’t get spotted until first fix stage which is too late to alter anything without huge costs.From experience I’d say the wall the other side of the door lining is in the wrong place or worst still the house footprint is less than the drawing shows, (wall to the right of door lining is correct distance from the external wall that side of plot and the stair well is correct distance from the opposite side of the plot resulting in the door lining being squeezed in, not uncommon at all I’m afraid) if that’s the case it’s groundworkers that have got it wrong but this is all speculation as without being in the plot with the house type drawings non of us know where the problem lies.
(All the above is referring to the virtual tour pic, ie wall to right of doorway, it looks like the OP has bought a plot opposite hand to the virtual tour pic above.)
Saying that I have seen dozens of plots second fixed with archs sat on top of newel caps like that.
OP, you should try and get hold of the first fix drawings, then measure the stair well, the wall the other side yourself but remember the first fix drawings usually go from face block work so you need to take about 35mm off the sizes.
Any more plots the same house type at first fix or further on the site you can stick your head in as well to see?
Could just be one joiner has read the drawing wrong or it could be a bigger problem with drawings, not uncommon.
We have had plots built the opposite hand to what they should have been before, drains in the slabs and doorways, windows in and all wrong. You’d be amazed what cock ups you get on site.
Edited by Promised Land on Saturday 11th March 21:48
Promised Land said:
If that’s the case then it goes right back to the joists being fitted, I doubt the stair well is in the wrong place, I always check and check again when setting out stair wells when joisting as if it’s wrong it’s a major job to rectify as it won’t get spotted until first fix stage which is too late to alter anything without huge costs.
From experience I’d say the wall the other side of the door lining is in the wrong place or worst still the house footprint is less than the drawing shows, (wall to the right of door lining is correct distance from the external wall that side of plot and the stair well is correct distance from the opposite side of the plot resulting in the door lining being squeezed in, not uncommon at all I’m afraid) if that’s the case it’s groundworkers that have got it wrong but this is all speculation as without being in the plot with the house type drawings non of us know where the problem lies.
(All the above is referring to the virtual tour pic, ie wall to right of doorway, it looks like the OP has bought a plot opposite hand to the virtual tour pic above.)
Saying that I have seen dozens of plots second fixed with archs sat on top of newel caps like that.
Correct that my plot is handed to the example shown. From experience I’d say the wall the other side of the door lining is in the wrong place or worst still the house footprint is less than the drawing shows, (wall to the right of door lining is correct distance from the external wall that side of plot and the stair well is correct distance from the opposite side of the plot resulting in the door lining being squeezed in, not uncommon at all I’m afraid) if that’s the case it’s groundworkers that have got it wrong but this is all speculation as without being in the plot with the house type drawings non of us know where the problem lies.
(All the above is referring to the virtual tour pic, ie wall to right of doorway, it looks like the OP has bought a plot opposite hand to the virtual tour pic above.)
Saying that I have seen dozens of plots second fixed with archs sat on top of newel caps like that.
Edited by Promised Land on Saturday 11th March 21:43
Thank you for the insight - contributions from those with actual experience / knowledge are invaluable.
Toaster Pilot said:
Correct that my plot is handed to the example shown.
Thank you for the insight - contributions from those with actual experience / knowledge are invaluable.
It’s hard but try and be diplomatic with the site agent, storming up to his office all guns blazing won’t achieve much at all.Thank you for the insight - contributions from those with actual experience / knowledge are invaluable.
If it’s a bigger problem than just a stud wall in wrong you’d start getting the contract manager on the case as well, but I’m sure the site agent will find the cause. But I’d try and get hold of a first fix drawing, if it’s TJI joists chances are the stair wells correct as you cut very little or nothing off the joists as they’re all cut to size when they are made.
Gable wall looks fine BTW, most gables don’t have windows anyway either real or tax.
Promised Land said:
It’s hard but try and be diplomatic with the site agent, storming up to his office all guns blazing won’t achieve much at all.
This is very much my approach and was through the previous issue. We are all human and people make mistakes. I’m far more concerned with how mistakes are resolved than getting hot and bothered about it. Promised Land said:
If that’s the case then it goes right back to the joists being fitted, I doubt the stair well is in the wrong place, I always check and check again when setting out stair wells when joisting as if it’s wrong it’s a major job to rectify as it won’t get spotted until first fix stage which is too late to alter anything without huge costs.
From experience I’d say the wall the other side of the door lining is in the wrong place or worst still the house footprint is less than the drawing shows, (wall to the right of door lining is correct distance from the external wall that side of plot and the stair well is correct distance from the opposite side of the plot resulting in the door lining being squeezed in, not uncommon at all I’m afraid) if that’s the case it’s groundworkers that have got it wrong but this is all speculation as without being in the plot with the house type drawings non of us know where the problem lies.
(All the above is referring to the virtual tour pic, ie wall to right of doorway, it looks like the OP has bought a plot opposite hand to the virtual tour pic above.)
Saying that I have seen dozens of plots second fixed with archs sat on top of newel caps like that.
OP, you should try and get hold of the first fix drawings, then measure the stair well, the wall the other side yourself but remember the first fix drawings usually go from face block work so you need to take about 35mm off the sizes.
Any more plots the same house type at first fix or further on the site you can stick your head in as well to see?
Could just be one joiner has read the drawing wrong or it could be a bigger problem with drawings, not uncommon.
We have had plots built the opposite hand to what they should have been before, drains in the slabs and doorways, windows in and all wrong. You’d be amazed what cock ups you get on site.
It happened to me. Not saying OP has the same issue. Staircase in the wrong place and a few other issues. The only way they would sort it out was a lot of kicking and screaming. From experience I’d say the wall the other side of the door lining is in the wrong place or worst still the house footprint is less than the drawing shows, (wall to the right of door lining is correct distance from the external wall that side of plot and the stair well is correct distance from the opposite side of the plot resulting in the door lining being squeezed in, not uncommon at all I’m afraid) if that’s the case it’s groundworkers that have got it wrong but this is all speculation as without being in the plot with the house type drawings non of us know where the problem lies.
(All the above is referring to the virtual tour pic, ie wall to right of doorway, it looks like the OP has bought a plot opposite hand to the virtual tour pic above.)
Saying that I have seen dozens of plots second fixed with archs sat on top of newel caps like that.
OP, you should try and get hold of the first fix drawings, then measure the stair well, the wall the other side yourself but remember the first fix drawings usually go from face block work so you need to take about 35mm off the sizes.
Any more plots the same house type at first fix or further on the site you can stick your head in as well to see?
Could just be one joiner has read the drawing wrong or it could be a bigger problem with drawings, not uncommon.
We have had plots built the opposite hand to what they should have been before, drains in the slabs and doorways, windows in and all wrong. You’d be amazed what cock ups you get on site.
Edited by Promised Land on Saturday 11th March 21:48
My brothers wife had to keep complaining for their snags to get done.
Sad but you can’t be a push over.
Toaster Pilot said:
This is very much my approach and was through the previous issue. We are all human and people make mistakes. I’m far more concerned with how mistakes are resolved than getting hot and bothered about it.
I shouldn’t worry about it being rectified, we have put full roofs up before on the first 2 plots of a new site, all done to the drawings but they major house builder then found out the trusses were the wrong pitch, so we had to de nail the wall plate and a crane lifted the complete trussed roof all strapped up off in one piece, it got smashed up and we put another roof on when the trusses came back on site.Fitted staircases with a doorway in blockwork half underneath them to take you into the kitchen, put stud walls up in bedrooms going straight through the bedroom window, cock ups on site are always happening and they always get put right.
I think one reason is plots are ‘as’ and ‘opposite’ drawings, with ‘as’ drawing it’s a case of follow the measurements etc but ‘opposite’ drawing it’s like looking at the drawing above your head, some people can’t grasp how to read it the other way around.
They never flip the drawing for plots ‘opposite’ hand.
I always refer to car factories, if it’s a left hooker they’re building on the line I doubt they have a right hand drive drawing to work from and have to reverse it all in their head.
I’m not saying it is but could be a reason your arch is sat on top of the newel cap as plot is opposite to drawing. Joiner read it wrong etc.
Toaster Pilot said:
Correct that my plot is handed to the example shown.
Thank you for the insight - contributions from those with actual experience / knowledge are invaluable.
Have you got a laser measure? Screwfix sell them for not much, we use Leica ones after the site lads kept loosing Hilti units. But even the el cheapo Magnusson measure will be good enough for your needs. Thank you for the insight - contributions from those with actual experience / knowledge are invaluable.
Just measure across the stair from front to back wall and check the plan dim. Odds are the back wall will be out. The stair will be right and door correct relative to the back wall. How it gets solved is partially up to what you want, its either move the back wall somehow, recut the door opening or remake the stairs with a narrower width (if there is excess width designed in vs regs) or just live with it.
However if the internal wall is block moving it is major job as its likely the foundations are out too.
I'd suggest you measure up all the rooms vs plans to see if anything else is out. As Promised Land says its possible the whole plot has been built small by accident.
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