New build deviating from plans…

[Elysium]

Mr Whippy said:

No I have no real expertise

Fair enough. Perhaps you could ease off a bit and let the thread get back on topic then?

[Promised Land]

Toaster Pilot said:

It is NHBC. I’m not sure what reassurance that gives any more tbh

It means your plot won’t fall down until it’s 10 years and a day old. Talking of which it’s a 10 year cover but the house builder will rectify problems for the first 2 years so you effectively get 8 years cover.

[Toaster Pilot]

Promised Land said:

It means your plot won’t fall down until it’s 10 years and a day old.

[p1doc]

Toaster Pilot said:

glad to see you have kept your sense of humour-i live in old house with 80's extension so nothing lines up lol
good luck with your saga

[blueg33]

Promised Land said:

Toaster Pilot said:

It is NHBC. I’m not sure what reassurance that gives any more tbh

It means your plot won’t fall down until it’s 10 years and a day old. Talking of which it’s a 10 year cover but the house builder will rectify problems for the first 2 years so you effectively get 8 years cover.

Quite often its 12 years now 2 years defects plus 10.

It wont fall down, but bits might fall off

[Promised Land]

blueg33 said:

Quite often its 12 years now 2 years defects plus 10.

It wont fall down, but bits might fall off

Is that NHBC or the other companies?

I know a few in the trade always mentioned the 10 year thing when in reality it was 8 due to the 2 year builder cover.

[blueg33]

Promised Land said:

blueg33 said:

Quite often its 12 years now 2 years defects plus 10.

It wont fall down, but bits might fall off

Is that NHBC or the other companies?

I know a few in the trade always mentioned the 10 year thing when in reality it was 8 due to the 2 year builder cover.

It's NHBC you can buy 8 +2 or 10 +2. We do the latter. Our BOPASS accreditation makes our homes accredited for 100 years.

[Toaster Pilot]

Think we’re making progress - they’re sticking with their story about the stairs being slightly bigger due to a change in supplier but have proposed a solution to improve the aesthetics by moving the door slightly.

I’ve agreed to this providing I can go on site and measure the room sizes first to ensure I’m definitely getting what I’m paying for.

[Equus]

blueg33 said:

Promised Land said:

blueg33 said:

Quite often its 12 years now 2 years defects plus 10.

It wont fall down, but bits might fall off

Is that NHBC or the other companies?

I know a few in the trade always mentioned the 10 year thing when in reality it was 8 due to the 2 year builder cover.

It's NHBC you can buy 8 +2 or 10 +2. We do the latter. Our BOPASS accreditation makes our homes accredited for 100 years.

Social Housing providers usually insist on 12 years (10+2) as part of their contract.

Open market housing usually remains 10 (8+2).

BOPASS accreditation is worth slightly less than the paper it isn't written on.

HERE is the BOPASS website. If you can find assurance on there of any practical or financial support, warranty or comeback should your BOPASS accredited dwelling develop a fault at day one, year one, much less 100 years from now, you'll be doing a lot better than me. It is meaningless fluff, spin and bks of the worst sort we've come to expect of the current series of governments. In fact, it's worth about as much as an election manifesto pledge.

Edited by Equus on Wednesday 22 March 18:59

[blueg33]

Equus said:

blueg33 said:

Promised Land said:

blueg33 said:

Quite often its 12 years now 2 years defects plus 10.

It wont fall down, but bits might fall off

Is that NHBC or the other companies?

I know a few in the trade always mentioned the 10 year thing when in reality it was 8 due to the 2 year builder cover.

It's NHBC you can buy 8 +2 or 10 +2. We do the latter. Our BOPASS accreditation makes our homes accredited for 100 years.

Social Housing providers usually insist on 12 years (10+2) as part of their contract.

Open market housing usually remains 10 (8+2).

BOPASS accreditation is worth slightly less than the paper it isn't written on.

HERE is the BOPASS website. If you can find assurance on there of any practical or financial support, warranty or comeback should your BOPASS accredited dwelling develop a fault at day one, year one, much less 100 years from now, you'll be doing a lot better than me. It is meaningless fluff, spin and bks of the worst sort we've come to expect of the current series of governments. In fact, it's worth about as much as an election manifesto pledge.

Edited by Equus on Wednesday 22 March 18:59

You are wrong on BOPASS. I suspect you don’t know how it works. The key thing is the insurance backed warranty that it enables the developer to purchase and pass on. It’s real, it works and it’s been applied countless times.

With regards to NHBC it’s up to the developer whether they buy 10+2 for OM units.

[b0rk]

Re BOPAS.
It’s just a structural latent defects warranty underwriten by BLP insurance targeted at the MMC sector with a factory preaudit by LRQA. It’s not magic, but the sales patter is very good.

NHBC accepts isn’t fundamentally different for category 1 MMC.


You can hold it and still ship to customers a load of modules that have gone mouldy inside.. due to storage issues.

[blueg33]

b0rk said:

Re BOPAS.
It’s just a structural latent defects warranty underwriten by BLP insurance targeted at the MMC sector with a factory preaudit by LRQA. It’s not magic, but the sales patter is very good.

NHBC accepts isn’t fundamentally different for category 1 MMC.


You can hold it and still ship to customers a load of modules that have gone mouldy inside.. due to storage issues.

Those modules would not pass the CML

[Toaster Pilot]

Toaster Pilot said:

Think we’re making progress - they’re sticking with their story about the stairs being slightly bigger due to a change in supplier but have proposed a solution to improve the aesthetics by moving the door slightly.

I’ve agreed to this providing I can go on site and measure the room sizes first to ensure I’m definitely getting what I’m paying for.

Site visit today confirmed that the room sizes are absolutely spot on so it looks like this is being brought to a close! The door opening will be moved to the left.

[_-XXXX-_]

What about the stairs? Are they larger or wa ls it all a big fk up?

[Zarco]

Toaster Pilot said:

Toaster Pilot said:

Think we’re making progress - they’re sticking with their story about the stairs being slightly bigger due to a change in supplier but have proposed a solution to improve the aesthetics by moving the door slightly.

I’ve agreed to this providing I can go on site and measure the room sizes first to ensure I’m definitely getting what I’m paying for.

Site visit today confirmed that the room sizes are absolutely spot on so it looks like this is being brought to a close! The door opening will be moved to the left.

That what I expected to happen.

Glad you have a resolution.

[Flooble]

Toaster Pilot said:

Site visit today confirmed that the room sizes are absolutely spot on so it looks like this is being brought to a close! The door opening will be moved to the left.

Thank goodness for that, I am pleased that I was too cynical.

[Toaster Pilot]

_-XXXX-_ said:

What about the stairs? Are they larger or wa ls it all a big fk up?

I don’t have reference measurements to check but this is what they’re saying.

[The Moose]

A couple of questions.

First, the cut in the architrave looks to be lower on the door frame than the sample picture you provided. Is the railing the correct height?

Second, when the move the door, will you still have this area of wall between architrave and bannister railing? If not, I think it will change the visual appeal as you walk towards that door:

[QuartzDad]

Reminds me of a newish build we went to look at 20 years ago. Felt nice and homely downstairs, light and airy upstairs....

Colleague lived on the same estate and told me the story after we viewed.

Builders had put the floor in a few courses too low but left the windows where they were originally meant to be. Kids would have been teenagers before they would be able to see out of their bedroom windows.

[Equus]

blueg33 said:

Our BOPASS accreditation makes our homes accredited for 100 years.

blueg33 said:

You are wrong on BOPASS. I suspect you don’t know how it works. The key thing is the insurance backed warranty that it enables the developer to purchase and pass on. It’s real, it works and it’s been applied countless times.

Link to policy document please?

I repeat:

like I said:

If you can find assurance on there of any practical or financial support, warranty or comeback should your BOPASS accredited dwelling develop a fault at day one, year one, much less 100 years from now, you'll be doing a lot better than me.

I've looked at BOPAS (just the one 's') for application to a timber frame system for a client of mine. My advice was that they shouldn't waste their money: the 'accreditation' is nothing more than a commitment that the system will adhere to industry best practice. The 'warranty', so far as I can tell, is basically an indemnity against the system becoming unmortgageable (ie. in a similar way to those MMC types now 'condemned' by the Housing Defects Act), and unless you can prove different is for 60 years, not 100 as far as I am aware.

So far as I have been able to determine (again, happy to stand corrected if you can provide a copy of the actual policy document for the scheme you're offering) it is NOT a structural defects warranty like NHBC or Buildmark, whereby you can make a claim to cover the cost of fixing your property should a defect arise.

Edited by Equus on Friday 24th March 21:35