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Mick Dastardly said:
A hard working lad in a van will clean 300 quid a day.
Minus £80 wages and £20 for fuel and insurance, that’s £200 profit a day.
I’ll let you do the rest of the maths.
Ignoring a dozen or more other considerations, even if that was correct it ain’t nett profit as you said earlier.Minus £80 wages and £20 for fuel and insurance, that’s £200 profit a day.
I’ll let you do the rest of the maths.
Saleen836 said:
Their client base must be massive to make £200 a day every day profit!
Taking a rate of £25 per unit they would need to clean say 13/14 houses every day and factoring driving between units/break time there is a 8/9 hr day, my windows are cleaned once every 6-8 weeks, so the client base must be in the hundreds
They have just under 500 customers, the vast majority are cleaned 4 weekly and the rest 8 weekly.Taking a rate of £25 per unit they would need to clean say 13/14 houses every day and factoring driving between units/break time there is a 8/9 hr day, my windows are cleaned once every 6-8 weeks, so the client base must be in the hundreds
Their average clean is I believe £12 and currently they actually work 6-7 hours a day.
stinkyspanner said:
Surely the bloke knocking his pipe out for £80 a day is going to say sod this, I'm getting my own van..
And where is a lad earning 80 quid a day going to get the capital to set himself up?In the interests of transparency, this is a cost breakdown of what it took to set my lads up, all of which they’ll pay us back over the next 5 years.
As you can see, the majority of the money (51.5k) goes on buying the rounds from other window cleaners.
Edited by Mick Dastardly on Sunday 2nd April 16:16
Mick Dastardly said:
And where is a lad earning 80 quid a day going to get the capital to set himself up?
Why would he bother? He’d get paid more working in a supermarket.OK, you’re obviously doing this but there’s a lot of journalistic licence in your numbers. Or the lad is being paid cash and no NI etc etc being paid.
Mick Dastardly said:
It depends entirely on the house, some are 7 quid and some 40, and everything in between, but the aim is to clean 2-300k each per day, which they always achieve.
They also do fascias, roofs, patios and conservatories, which are all well priced extras.
Is that windows or drug money?They also do fascias, roofs, patios and conservatories, which are all well priced extras.
Sheepshanks said:
Why would he bother? He’d get paid more working in a supermarket.
OK, you’re obviously doing this but there’s a lot of journalistic licence in your numbers. Or the lad is being paid cash and no NI etc etc being paid.
There’s no fudging of the numbers at all. When I considered investing in my sons the numbers did seem too good to be true, but after a lot of research I realised the profit projections were correct, and after 18 months of actual trading the numbers all stack up.OK, you’re obviously doing this but there’s a lot of journalistic licence in your numbers. Or the lad is being paid cash and no NI etc etc being paid.
When my sons buy more work and another van this summer, they have a school leaver brother of a friend lined up to work for them, who’ll be an apprentice but will be paid £80 a day.
Mick Dastardly said:
There’s no fudging of the numbers at all. When I considered investing in my sons the numbers did seem too good to be true, but after a lot of research I realised the profit projections were correct, and after 18 months of actual trading the numbers all stack up.
When my sons buy more work and another van this summer, they have a school leaver brother of a friend lined up to work for them, who’ll be an apprentice but will be paid £80 a day.
What you want to do is setup the business as a charity, then you use 'volunteers' that you term as 'unemployable' to do the work for free whilst you claim to be offering them experience and skills which 'may lead to a full time position'. Your local council will probably lap this sWhen my sons buy more work and another van this summer, they have a school leaver brother of a friend lined up to work for them, who’ll be an apprentice but will be paid £80 a day.
t up and offer you some of their contracts as a bonus. Mick Dastardly said:
They have just under 500 customers, the vast majority are cleaned 4 weekly and the rest 8 weekly.
Their average clean is I believe £12 and currently they actually work 6-7 hours a day.
Their average clean is I believe £12 and currently they actually work 6-7 hours a day.
Serious question, if they’re running a business and using ladder less pole washing, where are they getting the water from to fill the 1000 litre tanks in the van? As I understand it to use filtered water you need something like 7 litres in to get 1 litre of filtered water. Chap I know using this system says he goes through a tank a day.
Either they have a massive water bill if metered or doing it without a meter but is that above board when running a business?
Mick Dastardly said:
And where is a lad earning 80 quid a day going to get the capital to set himself up?
In the interests of transparency, this is a cost breakdown of what it took to set my lads up, all of which they’ll pay us back over the next 5 years.
As you can see, the majority of the money (51.5k) goes on buying the rounds from other window cleaners.
Thing is, if you employ someone to do a round that you paid somebody else multiple thousands for, they won't need to buy it. They will already know all the customers, just need to undercut your prices by a couple of quid, and they have a round for free.In the interests of transparency, this is a cost breakdown of what it took to set my lads up, all of which they’ll pay us back over the next 5 years.
As you can see, the majority of the money (51.5k) goes on buying the rounds from other window cleaners.
Edited by Mick Dastardly on Sunday 2nd April 16:16
Promised Land said:
Serious question, if they’re running a business and using ladder less pole washing, where are they getting the water from to fill the 1000 litre tanks in the van? As I understand it to use filtered water you need something like 7 litres in to get 1 litre of filtered water. Chap I know using this system says he goes through a tank a day.
Either they have a massive water bill if metered or doing it without a meter but is that above board when running a business?
As for filtration, it’s filtered in the van through some sort of resin to make it ph neutral, although we’re pretty lucky where we live as the water is fairly neutral straight from the tap.
Also, the notion that it would take 7 litres of water to make 1 litre of unfiltered water is nonsensical.
clockworks said:
Thing is, if you employ someone to do a round that you paid somebody else multiple thousands for, they won't need to buy it. They will already know all the customers, just need to undercut your prices by a couple of quid, and they have a round for free.
I thought that at first but there’s a very robust code of honour amongst window cleaners, they all know each other and don’t steal each others business, and on the very rare instances it happens I’ve heard a group of large angry men will speak to the rascal and advise him that if he persists, he won’t have fingers capable of holding a pole. That seems to do the trick.
Grumps. said:
Considering they wont be the only cleaners working in the area, i am calling BS.
I am sure he will do well but not that well.
Of course there are loads of other window cleaners you dullard.I am sure he will do well but not that well.
On some estates my sons clean there can be up to a dozen other window cleaners on there, all doing their own work, although more usually it’s 3 or 4.
I’m not sure you realise just how many windows need cleaning: in my own town there are 41000 houses, so say half of those have a window cleaner that’s 20000. So say an average lone window cleaner has 250 customers, that town needs 80 window cleaners.
It’s a business no one gives a second glance to, but now I’m involved I see them everywhere.
Mick Dastardly said:
They have an 800 Ltr tank in the van and it’s filled up at my unmetered house every night.
As for filtration, it’s filtered in the van through some sort of resin to make it ph neutral, although we’re pretty lucky where we live as the water is fairly neutral straight from the tap.
Also, the notion that it would take 7 litres of water to make 1 litre of unfiltered water is nonsensical.
That’s what I was told,7 in to get 1 out but that could be dependent on your water in your area I suppose.As for filtration, it’s filtered in the van through some sort of resin to make it ph neutral, although we’re pretty lucky where we live as the water is fairly neutral straight from the tap.
Also, the notion that it would take 7 litres of water to make 1 litre of unfiltered water is nonsensical.
Having a fleet of vans will be problematic as you won’t be able to hook a couple of hose pipes up to all the vans every night at your outside tap.
Did they have to revert to buckets and ladders in the cold snap? I can’t see that system working when it was freezing.
MYOB said:
Mick Dastardly said:
I thought that at first but there’s a very robust code of honour amongst window cleaners, they all know each other and don’t steal each others business, and on the very rare instances it happens I’ve heard a group of large angry men will speak to the rascal and advise him that if he persists, he won’t have fingers capable of holding a pole.
That seems to do the trick.
I’m sorry but this is not true. There is no choice of honour but yes, there are one or two around who seems to think they own a patch/area. That seems to do the trick.
Still waiting to see how there’s £50k profit per van on an annual basis.
Promised Land said:
That’s what I was told,7 in to get 1 out but that could be dependent on your water in your area I suppose.
Having a fleet of vans will be problematic as you won’t be able to hook a couple of hose pipes up to all the vans every night at your outside tap.
Did they have to revert to buckets and ladders in the cold snap? I can’t see that system working when it was freezing.
What you were told is wrong. There is no loss of water in the filtration process.Having a fleet of vans will be problematic as you won’t be able to hook a couple of hose pipes up to all the vans every night at your outside tap.
Did they have to revert to buckets and ladders in the cold snap? I can’t see that system working when it was freezing.
The bloke I know who has 12 vans has a double garage filled with huge filtered tanks, and when the vans come back they get filled up from multiple hoses.
As for the cold snap they were frozen out, but they caught up by working longer days after Christmas and into January.
MYOB said:
I’m sorry but this is not true. There is no code of honour but yes, there are one or two around who seems to think they own a patch/area.
Still waiting to see how there’s £50k profit per van on an annual basis.
You are missing tax, NI, PL insurance, vehicle servicing & maintenance, sick/holiday pay, days when not earning due to bad weather.
I would imagine £50k p.a. before deductions sound right.
Of course I meant profit before tax and expenses. If you were revealing your salary to someone you wouldn’t quote your take home, would you?Still waiting to see how there’s £50k profit per van on an annual basis.
You are missing tax, NI, PL insurance, vehicle servicing & maintenance, sick/holiday pay, days when not earning due to bad weather.
I would imagine £50k p.a. before deductions sound right.
Edited by MYOB on Sunday 2nd April 17:27
Edited by MYOB on Sunday 2nd April 17:28
Incidentally my sons business is around a third cash take, and I know many window cleaners not as honest as them never seem to find the time to bank that cash and pay tax on it.
When we lived in Berkshire last year , most of the window cleaning seemed to be done by off duty firemen !
They were excellent, turned up when the promised, would text you the day before , friendly, and done an excellent job.
Amazingly, they always had an in-house contact if you needed a plumber/electric/ removal man , all were great guys.
They were excellent, turned up when the promised, would text you the day before , friendly, and done an excellent job.
Amazingly, they always had an in-house contact if you needed a plumber/electric/ removal man , all were great guys.
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