Time to upgrade my drill (drilling into brick etc)
Discussion
UTH said:
guitarcarfanatic said:
UTH said:
I don't NEEEED cordless, but I do already have the Einhell batteries for other things, so thought it might make sense.
Corded no real issue either though, so probably best go that route.
Crack on if you already have the battery system. Apologies, in isolation, cordless doesn't make sense! But if you are invested in the system, it's a no brainer.Corded no real issue either though, so probably best go that route.
Edited to add: 1.3j is pretty weedy mind...This one comes with batteries, more power and chisel if sticking to einhell...
https://www.toolstation.com/einhell-pxc-brushless-...
I agree with Baldchap.
Rollin said:
UTH said:
guitarcarfanatic said:
UTH said:
I don't NEEEED cordless, but I do already have the Einhell batteries for other things, so thought it might make sense.
Corded no real issue either though, so probably best go that route.
Crack on if you already have the battery system. Apologies, in isolation, cordless doesn't make sense! But if you are invested in the system, it's a no brainer.Corded no real issue either though, so probably best go that route.
Edited to add: 1.3j is pretty weedy mind...This one comes with batteries, more power and chisel if sticking to einhell...
https://www.toolstation.com/einhell-pxc-brushless-...
I agree with Baldchap.
If you're buying an only drill, for DIY use SDS would be a bad move. There are too many things it can't do... high speed steel, wood work bits, holesaws, tile drilling, screwdriver.
Yes you can get an SDS to standard chuck attachment, making it theoretically possible to drill that stuff, but the SDS will have a lower rpm, drilling will be slow.
I wouldn't buy a small battery powered SDS either. I don't think you'll be able to use it with core drills. My 1500W Titan slows down with a 110mm core drill.
If you're determined to get one drill (weido!) then a corded hammer drill is probably the answer. Generally speaking corded drills are a higher wattage than battery drills, have a higher rpm and a more aggressive hammer action.
A corded hammer drill sits between a battery hand drill and a corded SDS. More powerful than the battery hand drill, but not as versatile. Less able to drill through hard stuff than a corded SDS, but much lighter and easier to use.
You'll also find that SDS bits are more expensive and less ubiquitous than standard drill bits.
Yeah, SDS is G-G-G-GRRREAT for drilling through hard / difficult masonry, but its not suitable for all the jobs you're likely to encounter.
Yes you can get an SDS to standard chuck attachment, making it theoretically possible to drill that stuff, but the SDS will have a lower rpm, drilling will be slow.
I wouldn't buy a small battery powered SDS either. I don't think you'll be able to use it with core drills. My 1500W Titan slows down with a 110mm core drill.
If you're determined to get one drill (weido!) then a corded hammer drill is probably the answer. Generally speaking corded drills are a higher wattage than battery drills, have a higher rpm and a more aggressive hammer action.
A corded hammer drill sits between a battery hand drill and a corded SDS. More powerful than the battery hand drill, but not as versatile. Less able to drill through hard stuff than a corded SDS, but much lighter and easier to use.
You'll also find that SDS bits are more expensive and less ubiquitous than standard drill bits.
Yeah, SDS is G-G-G-GRRREAT for drilling through hard / difficult masonry, but its not suitable for all the jobs you're likely to encounter.
BrokenSkunk said:
If you're buying an only drill, for DIY use SDS would be a bad move. There are too many things it can't do... high speed steel, wood work bits, holesaws, tile drilling, screwdriver.
Yes you can get an SDS to standard chuck attachment, making it theoretically possible to drill that stuff, but the SDS will have a lower rpm, drilling will be slow.
I wouldn't buy a small battery powered SDS either. I don't think you'll be able to use it with core drills. My 1500W Titan slows down with a 110mm core drill.
If you're determined to get one drill (weido!) then a corded hammer drill is probably the answer. Generally speaking corded drills are a higher wattage than battery drills, have a higher rpm and a more aggressive hammer action.
A corded hammer drill sits between a battery hand drill and a corded SDS. More powerful than the battery hand drill, but not as versatile. Less able to drill through hard stuff than a corded SDS, but much lighter and easier to use.
You'll also find that SDS bits are more expensive and less ubiquitous than standard drill bits.
Yeah, SDS is G-G-G-GRRREAT for drilling through hard / difficult masonry, but its not suitable for all the jobs you're likely to encounter.
Ok thanks, I really don't do MUCH drilling, but whenever I've needed to drill into a brick wall with my sYes you can get an SDS to standard chuck attachment, making it theoretically possible to drill that stuff, but the SDS will have a lower rpm, drilling will be slow.
I wouldn't buy a small battery powered SDS either. I don't think you'll be able to use it with core drills. My 1500W Titan slows down with a 110mm core drill.
If you're determined to get one drill (weido!) then a corded hammer drill is probably the answer. Generally speaking corded drills are a higher wattage than battery drills, have a higher rpm and a more aggressive hammer action.
A corded hammer drill sits between a battery hand drill and a corded SDS. More powerful than the battery hand drill, but not as versatile. Less able to drill through hard stuff than a corded SDS, but much lighter and easier to use.
You'll also find that SDS bits are more expensive and less ubiquitous than standard drill bits.
Yeah, SDS is G-G-G-GRRREAT for drilling through hard / difficult masonry, but its not suitable for all the jobs you're likely to encounter.
tty drill, it's been a painFrom what you've said, corded hammer with some good drill bits should do me absolutely fine.....
I'm also more than happy to have more than one drill, so could buy SDS at some point if needs be, but I don't think I'll actually be doing enough drilling to need it!
UTH said:
I imagine 90% of what I'll need it for is rawlplugs, don't imagine I'll ever be making big holes
That one you linked certainly seems like a bargain, might be the winner!
And on offer at the moment.That one you linked certainly seems like a bargain, might be the winner!
I bought one to break some concrete out around wooden posts, and then drilled numerous holes.
I'd set out with a hammer and chisel to do the concrete, it was worth the outlay alone for that job.
Quite a heavy beast though.
What Einhell kit have you got UTH?
I have this set and does most jobs pretty well.
Had it for a few years and a fair bit of use.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B06W2JYKSC?th=...
I also have the Titan SDS monster mentioned earlier in this thread
Great for stripping plaster off, breaking up concrete and drilling larger holes. And getting through the very tough bricks on my extension.
Very heavy and struggle using it at any height.
I have this set and does most jobs pretty well.
Had it for a few years and a fair bit of use.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B06W2JYKSC?th=...
I also have the Titan SDS monster mentioned earlier in this thread
Great for stripping plaster off, breaking up concrete and drilling larger holes. And getting through the very tough bricks on my extension.
Very heavy and struggle using it at any height.
An SDS is total overkill for menial jobs around the house such as Putting holes up to 13mm in brick, wood or plaster. Any decent corded hammer drill with decent bits can do this relatively easily. It’s the bits themselves that make all the difference. If the OP is still looking for something I’d go along the lines of something under £50 from Bosch or similar.
imck said:
What Einhell kit have you got UTH?
I have this set and does most jobs pretty well.
Had it for a few years and a fair bit of use.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B06W2JYKSC?th=...
I also have the Titan SDS monster mentioned earlier in this thread
Great for stripping plaster off, breaking up concrete and drilling larger holes. And getting through the very tough bricks on my extension.
Very heavy and struggle using it at any height.
I’ve got a lawnmower, hedge trimmer and leaf blower. 2 batteries. I have this set and does most jobs pretty well.
Had it for a few years and a fair bit of use.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B06W2JYKSC?th=...
I also have the Titan SDS monster mentioned earlier in this thread
Great for stripping plaster off, breaking up concrete and drilling larger holes. And getting through the very tough bricks on my extension.
Very heavy and struggle using it at any height.
Boom78 said:
An SDS is total overkill for menial jobs around the house such as Putting holes up to 13mm in brick, wood or plaster. Any decent corded hammer drill with decent bits can do this relatively easily. It’s the bits themselves that make all the difference. If the OP is still looking for something I’d go along the lines of something under £50 from Bosch or similar.
Yep, still haven’t bought something yet. Working my through all the suggestions haha Leaning towards SDS being too much for what I’ll use it for
Baldchap said:
But not like a normal hammer drill. 
I renovate old houses.
SDS for hanging a picture is massive overkill.
SDS for a 7mm Rawl Plug in very old brickwork is outright the wrong tool.
A piston smashing backwards and forwards Vs a ridged chuck is the difference. An SDS will damage old brickwork and mortar and even shake bricks loose when used gently if the wall is sufficiently old, where a hammer drill will not.
What utter rubbish, you have more chance of damage by standing there for 10 minutes trying to force your hammer drill in, making the hole larger than needed, an SDS in a wall as long as it’s not the top two courses is fine, been doing this all my working live so I should know.I renovate old houses.
SDS for hanging a picture is massive overkill.
SDS for a 7mm Rawl Plug in very old brickwork is outright the wrong tool.
A piston smashing backwards and forwards Vs a ridged chuck is the difference. An SDS will damage old brickwork and mortar and even shake bricks loose when used gently if the wall is sufficiently old, where a hammer drill will not.
BrokenSkunk said:
I wouldn't buy a small battery powered SDS either. I don't think you'll be able to use it with core drills. My 1500W Titan slows down with a 110mm core drill.
SDS with core drills can be a bad idea. They often don’t have appropriate clutches so can cause injury if the drill binds. Core drills often tend to be lower wattage too: my 1500W Milwaukee core drill has a capacity in masonry/brick of 162mm.
LooneyTunes said:
SDS with core drills can be a bad idea. They often don’t have appropriate clutches so canwill cause injury (and swearing) if when the drill binds.
Core drills often tend to be lower wattage too: my 1500W Milwaukee core drill has a capacity in masonry/brick of 162mm.
Agreed. The Titan does have a safety clutch. For the money it's a bloody good piece of kit.Core drills often tend to be lower wattage too: my 1500W Milwaukee core drill has a capacity in masonry/brick of 162mm.
Edited by BrokenSkunk on Thursday 14th March 12:35
If you are jsut doing relatively light DIY stuff an SDS drill completely unnecessary 99% of the time.
A good quality cordless, dont need to spend a fortune https://www.diy.com/departments/makita-18v-2-x-2-l... will cope with most of what you need.
Even more important good drill bits... https://www.screwfix.com/p/bosch-expert-straight-s... are imho amazing drill into anything even ceramic.
A good quality cordless, dont need to spend a fortune https://www.diy.com/departments/makita-18v-2-x-2-l... will cope with most of what you need.
Even more important good drill bits... https://www.screwfix.com/p/bosch-expert-straight-s... are imho amazing drill into anything even ceramic.
Promised Land said:
Baldchap said:
But not like a normal hammer drill.
I renovate old houses.
SDS for hanging a picture is massive overkill.
SDS for a 7mm Rawl Plug in very old brickwork is outright the wrong tool.
A piston smashing backwards and forwards Vs a ridged chuck is the difference. An SDS will damage old brickwork and mortar and even shake bricks loose when used gently if the wall is sufficiently old, where a hammer drill will not.
What utter rubbish, you have more chance of damage by standing there for 10 minutes trying to force your hammer drill in, making the hole larger than needed, an SDS in a wall as long as it’s not the top two courses is fine, been doing this all my working live so I should know.I renovate old houses.
SDS for hanging a picture is massive overkill.
SDS for a 7mm Rawl Plug in very old brickwork is outright the wrong tool.
A piston smashing backwards and forwards Vs a ridged chuck is the difference. An SDS will damage old brickwork and mortar and even shake bricks loose when used gently if the wall is sufficiently old, where a hammer drill will not.
I've only read a small amount of thread, but am I correct in saying that you drill into brick once in a blue moon?
If that's the case, I'd just buy a cheap sds drill (corded or cordless, consider second hand even) and a cheap set of SDS bits. I've got a set of lidl's finest SDS bits which have been going on 10+ years. They're not meant to be precision holes.
Alternatively, have you tried a decent set of masonry bits? I've got some DeWalt bits which work well in my cordless when set to hammer mode. You may not need a SDS drill.
Edit: I see you've already got some cordless einhell gear. If you can afford it, consider getting a cordless drill and/or sds. Cordless wins just because there are no wires.
If that's the case, I'd just buy a cheap sds drill (corded or cordless, consider second hand even) and a cheap set of SDS bits. I've got a set of lidl's finest SDS bits which have been going on 10+ years. They're not meant to be precision holes.
Alternatively, have you tried a decent set of masonry bits? I've got some DeWalt bits which work well in my cordless when set to hammer mode. You may not need a SDS drill.
Edit: I see you've already got some cordless einhell gear. If you can afford it, consider getting a cordless drill and/or sds. Cordless wins just because there are no wires.
Edited by fasimew on Thursday 14th March 23:20
fasimew said:
I've only read a small amount of thread, but am I correct in saying that you drill into brick once in a blue moon?
If that's the case, I'd just buy a cheap sds drill (corded or cordless, consider second hand even) and a cheap set of SDS bits. I've got a set of lidl's finest SDS bits which have been going on 10+ years. They're not meant to be precision holes.
Alternatively, have you tried a decent set of masonry bits? I've got some DeWalt bits which work well in my cordless when set to hammer mode. You may not need a SDS drill.
Edit: I see you've already got some cordless einhell gear. If you can afford it, consider getting a cordless drill and/or sds. Cordless wins just because there are no wires.
Basically, the reason for the thread is that I need to put my new hosepipe reel thing up on the wall in the garage which is a brick wall......from time to time I have had to drill into brick/concrete (curtain rails, pictures, baby gate etc) and it's never exactly been the easiest job with my very basic crappy drill I've had for years. If that's the case, I'd just buy a cheap sds drill (corded or cordless, consider second hand even) and a cheap set of SDS bits. I've got a set of lidl's finest SDS bits which have been going on 10+ years. They're not meant to be precision holes.
Alternatively, have you tried a decent set of masonry bits? I've got some DeWalt bits which work well in my cordless when set to hammer mode. You may not need a SDS drill.
Edit: I see you've already got some cordless einhell gear. If you can afford it, consider getting a cordless drill and/or sds. Cordless wins just because there are no wires.
Edited by fasimew on Thursday 14th March 23:20
So yes, it's not that common that I do much drilling anyway, and it's not always into brick etc, but when it is, it's time I had something that's much better at the job
Ideally I'd say cordless Einhell would be best as I've already got those batteries, but I'm still conflicted by the SDS/non SDS argument based on the (very good) opinion of all on this thread.
fasimew said:
I've only read a small amount of thread, but am I correct in saying that you drill into brick once in a blue moon?
This is what we established a couple of pages ago. It seems the OP has an old battery drill that isn't much cop with brick. He wants something for occasional work, that can put the odd hole in a brick wall for a shelf bracket. He told me he will not be drilling through walls.Any half decent modern battery drill will do just that.
An SDS drill will do that job even quicker, but will be heavier, less comfortable in the hand, harder to get into tight spaces, completely useless for precision drilling in wood and metal, and cannot be used as a driver. Unless he wants to spend decent money on a battery drill, most affordable SDS drills are corded, so there's another faff.
I do not know why anybody is advising getting an SDS drill.
The best advice is to get a half decent battery drill for around the £120 mark.
Ganglandboss said:
fasimew said:
I've only read a small amount of thread, but am I correct in saying that you drill into brick once in a blue moon?
This is what we established a couple of pages ago. It seems the OP has an old battery drill that isn't much cop with brick. He wants something for occasional work, that can put the odd hole in a brick wall for a shelf bracket. He told me he will not be drilling through walls.Any half decent modern battery drill will do just that.
An SDS drill will do that job even quicker, but will be heavier, less comfortable in the hand, harder to get into tight spaces, completely useless for precision drilling in wood and metal, and cannot be used as a driver. Unless he wants to spend decent money on a battery drill, most affordable SDS drills are corded, so there's another faff.
I do not know why anybody is advising getting an SDS drill.
The best advice is to get a half decent battery drill for around the £120 mark.
https://its.co.uk/pd/einhell-combi-drill-impact-dr...
OP, I have one of these, along with other einhell kit https://www.wickes.co.uk/Einhell-Power-X-Change-TE...
It will do everything you need. I've put up loads of curtain rails, pictures, built wardrobes, installed kitchens etc.
You do not need an SDS unless you plan on knocking walls down, chipping off a room full of plaster or ripping up concrete floors!
It will do everything you need. I've put up loads of curtain rails, pictures, built wardrobes, installed kitchens etc.
You do not need an SDS unless you plan on knocking walls down, chipping off a room full of plaster or ripping up concrete floors!
goingonholiday said:
OP, I have one of these, along with other einhell kit https://www.wickes.co.uk/Einhell-Power-X-Change-TE...
It will do everything you need. I've put up loads of curtain rails, pictures, built wardrobes, installed kitchens etc.
You do not need an SDS unless you plan on knocking walls down, chipping off a room full of plaster or ripping up concrete floors!
Looks very cheap without the batteries etc, sounds like I can't go wrong, and I can always get something else if this ever proves not quite up to some jobs It will do everything you need. I've put up loads of curtain rails, pictures, built wardrobes, installed kitchens etc.
You do not need an SDS unless you plan on knocking walls down, chipping off a room full of plaster or ripping up concrete floors!
https://www.toolstation.com/einhell-pxc-18v-cordle...
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