'Please do not park here'

[Bobton125]

Chrisgr31 said:

Because it’s not a parking area, it’s not his land and he has been asked not to by someone that may be the owner of the land. Surely the self righteous people are those parking off road on land they don’t own?

Parking on scrubland is all very well but before you know it you have people parking on verges etc which may be what the neighbour who asked him not to park there is concerned about. However as the OP hasn’t spoken to the neighbour we don’t know why he doesn’t want the OP parking there.

whether the land is suitable or not to park on is out of the question to be honest as no one here has seen it so can’t really judge.

Neither is whether I own it relevant as we don’t all only park where we own.

The question here is how to find out if this man has any authority to tell me I can’t park there. If he does then I won’t park there.

Edited by Bobton125 on Friday 19th April 10:41

[RSTurboPaul]

Bobton125 said:

Chrisgr31 said:

Because it’s not a parking area, it’s not his land and he has been asked not to by someone that may be the owner of the land. Surely the self righteous people are those parking off road on land they don’t own?

Parking on scrubland is all very well but before you know it you have people parking on verges etc which may be what the neighbour who asked him not to park there is concerned about. However as the OP hasn’t spoken to the neighbour we don’t know why he doesn’t want the OP parking there.

whether the land is suitable or not to park on is out of the question to be honest as no one here has seen it so can’t really judge.

Neither is whether I own it relevant as we don’t all only park where we own.

The question here is how to find out if this man has any authority to tell me I can’t park there. If he does then I won’t park there.

Edited by Bobton125 on Friday 19th April 10:41

It's already been mentioned at least twice.

Land Registry enquiry using their map feature. £4 or something like that. Will either confirm the landowner or confirm LR does not have records.

If the former, you can work out if it is the neighbour / if he has 'authority'. If the latter, you can ask the neighbour to confirm his understanding.

[blueg33]

Bobton125 said:

Chrisgr31 said:

Because it’s not a parking area, it’s not his land and he has been asked not to by someone that may be the owner of the land. Surely the self righteous people are those parking off road on land they don’t own?

Parking on scrubland is all very well but before you know it you have people parking on verges etc which may be what the neighbour who asked him not to park there is concerned about. However as the OP hasn’t spoken to the neighbour we don’t know why he doesn’t want the OP parking there.

whether the land is suitable or not to park on is out of the question to be honest as no one here has seen it so can’t really judge.

Neither is whether I own it relevant as we don’t all only park where we own.

The question here is how to find out if this man has any authority to tell me I can’t park there. If he does then I won’t park there.

Edited by Bobton125 on Friday 19th April 10:41

Isn't the note enough? Do you expect people to prove ownership before you decide not to park on their drive?

Its pretty simple to find out land ownership - this thread has told you how to go about it.

Just show it to us on google maps and I am sure someone here will tell you who owns it, unless its unregistered. If it is unregistered, it doesnt mean that its not owned by someone.

[Bobton125]

RSTurboPaul said:

It's already been mentioned at least twice.

Land Registry enquiry using their map feature. £4 or something like that. Will either confirm the landowner or confirm LR does not have records.

If the former, you can work out if it is the neighbour / if he has 'authority'. If the latter, you can ask the neighbour to confirm his understanding.

Yeah I know, mentioned more than twice.

Land registry has no information on it. Only gives information on the nearest garage of which outlines a clear border only for the garage

[Bobton125]

blueg33 said:

Isn't the note enough? Do you expect people to prove ownership before you decide not to park on their drive?

Its pretty simple to find out land ownership - this thread has told you how to go about it.

Just show it to us on google maps and I am sure someone here will tell you who owns it, unless its unregistered. If it is unregistered, it doesnt mean that its not owned by someone.

Well that depends, If a random stranger who has no ownership tells you to stop parking somewhere would you give in and stop parking there and find somewhere else? I don’t always expect people to show proof, but somewhere like this, which isn’t on land registry, not owned by the surrounding lease companies and about 100metres away from this chaps house, yes I would expect something to back up him telling me where I can park.

I know this thread has mentioned about 10 times to go on land registry, it’s not there. Only returns back with the nearest garage and border doesnt include this small space.

[gfreeman]

Why don’t you get your bucket and spade out and tidy it up a tad, spread a bag of gravel about and put a sign up “ OP’s Private Parking”

You will find out soon enough if he or A N Other owns it for the cost of a bag of gravel and an hour of your time.

[z4RRSchris]

might just be unadopted, pretty common

[blueg33]

Bobton125 said:

Well that depends, If a random stranger who has no ownership tells you to stop parking somewhere would you give in and stop parking there and find somewhere else? I don’t always expect people to show proof, but somewhere like this, which isn’t on land registry, not owned by the surrounding lease companies and about 100metres away from this chaps house, yes I would expect something to back up him telling me where I can park.

I know this thread has mentioned about 10 times to go on land registry, it’s not there. Only returns back with the nearest garage and border doesnt include this small space.

Show us a google maps pin pointing the site and I reckon someone here can tell you pretty quickly who owns it or who is likely to own it. The chances of land in the centre of a settlement having no owner is virtually nil.

[Gareth79]

If all the surrounding land is registered and it's a random square then I imagine the local council own it. If the guy owned it he would have said "I own this and you can't park here"

Where I live a few years ago the local council registered lots of land which they had previously acquired to do road improvements, but the roads themselves are not registered, so so there's lots of roundabouts with triangles of land across them, and rectangles and started alongside roads. I bought the titles to a few at random and they are owned by the council.

[blueg33]

Gareth79 said:

If all the surrounding land is registered and it's a random square then I imagine the local council own it. If the guy owned it he would have said "I own this and you can't park here"

Where I live a few years ago the local council registered lots of land which they had previously acquired to do road improvements, but the roads themselves are not registered, so so there's lots of roundabouts with triangles of land across them, and rectangles and started alongside roads. I bought the titles to a few at random and they are owned by the council.

Possible. Still doesn’t give a right to park on it. Note leaver may have a lease or a license too.

[981Boxess]

I doubt there is any piece of land that isn’t owned by someone and with some effort I dare you you could find out who owns it. You have been given plenty of good advice in this thread maybe you should try following some of it.

In the meantime if it isn’t owned by you and you have not got permission from the owner, who for all you know may be the ‘old man’, to park there, no matter how handy it might be you have no business parking there.

[Bobton125]

981Boxess said:

I doubt there is any piece of land that isn’t owned by someone and with some effort I dare you you could find out who owns it. You have been given plenty of good advice in this thread maybe you should try following some of it.

In the meantime if it isn’t owned by you and you have not got permission from the owner, who for all you know may be the ‘old man’, to park there, no matter how handy it might be you have no business parking there.

Please read my replies in the thread

[z4RRSchris]

981Boxess said:

I doubt there is any piece of land that isn’t owned by someone and with some effort I dare you you could find out who owns it. You have been given plenty of good advice in this thread maybe you should try following some of it.

In the meantime if it isn’t owned by you and you have not got permission from the owner, who for all you know may be the ‘old man’, to park there, no matter how handy it might be you have no business parking there.

loads of unadopted / unowned land around.

[The Gauge]

Assuming the old man doesn't own the land, he may think that your car belongs to a non resident and doesn't like 'out of towers' parking on his road, maybe if he knew you lived there he might leave you alone?

[PurpleTurtle]

OP, you would do the thread a great favour if you could drop pics or a Google maps pin to provide context, as has been requested previously.

You parking on what you regard as 'a bit of scrub land' might be causing a visual nuisance in an otherwise neat neighbourhood.

That's probably why your neighbour doesn't like it.

Are you able to supply that, possibly with your vehicle in situ? (reg plate obscured, obviously).

[98elise]

RSTurboPaul said:

Bobton125 said:

Chrisgr31 said:

Because it’s not a parking area, it’s not his land and he has been asked not to by someone that may be the owner of the land. Surely the self righteous people are those parking off road on land they don’t own?

Parking on scrubland is all very well but before you know it you have people parking on verges etc which may be what the neighbour who asked him not to park there is concerned about. However as the OP hasn’t spoken to the neighbour we don’t know why he doesn’t want the OP parking there.

whether the land is suitable or not to park on is out of the question to be honest as no one here has seen it so can’t really judge.

Neither is whether I own it relevant as we don’t all only park where we own.

The question here is how to find out if this man has any authority to tell me I can’t park there. If he does then I won’t park there.

Edited by Bobton125 on Friday 19th April 10:41

It's already been mentioned at least twice.

Land Registry enquiry using their map feature. £4 or something like that. Will either confirm the landowner or confirm LR does not have records.

If the former, you can work out if it is the neighbour / if he has 'authority'. If the latter, you can ask the neighbour to confirm his understanding.

How does that work?

I need to find out who owns the parking space next to a garage that I own. It's full of rubbish and garden waste which is up against my garage and causing a lot of damp.

I've tried looking at the LR records for a number of neighbouring properties and their garages and parking spaces seem randomly allocated (eg the neighbouring houses garage is in another block, not next to mine).

I contacted the council about the mess and they have ignored it.

[Roofless Toothless]

OP, I'm curious about one thing. Where do you tell your insurance company you park your car?

[blueg33]

z4RRSchris said:

981Boxess said:

I doubt there is any piece of land that isn’t owned by someone and with some effort I dare you you could find out who owns it. You have been given plenty of good advice in this thread maybe you should try following some of it.

In the meantime if it isn’t owned by you and you have not got permission from the owner, who for all you know may be the ‘old man’, to park there, no matter how handy it might be you have no business parking there.

loads of unadopted / unowned land around.

Not in town centres. And of course adoption and ownership should not be conflated. Plenty of land adopted by the LA is owned by someone else.

If the land really is unregistered (doesn't mean its not owned), and its in a town centre, then the possibilities in ordered of liklihood are:

1. Owned by the council as part of a historic land assembly for public works (usually in the 1960's)
2. Owned privately but hasn't changed hands for many years
3. Owned but forgotten as a result of drawing errors on abutting titles
4. No owner at all - very rare indeed.

I have over the years assembled lots of town centre sites. Number 4 has never occurred, its something you see more out of town on the edges of a settlement. Number 1 is surprisingly common, I spent 6 months trying to identify the owner of some land near Doncaster station. I needed the land for me development, it was a triangle about 1m long on 2 sides and 500mm on the other. The project was un-fundable without it. Turned out to be the very end of a garden that was compulsory purchased for the ring road. It was cut off by the ring road and landlocked by adjoining land transfers. I was worried it would be caught by the Crichel Down Rules, but avoided that.

[ChocolateFrog]

Well we know it's not your land. You chanced it, someone asked you not to park on it.

I'd suggest not parking on it.

[blueg33]

ChocolateFrog said:

Well we know it's not your land. You chanced it, someone asked you not to park on it.

I'd suggest not parking on it.

Op doesn't accept that. he wants written proof that someone owns it! Odd because the only thing he knows is that its not his, and that's all that should matter.