Cost of Knocking Down an internal Wall?

Cost of Knocking Down an internal Wall?

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Rags

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Thursday 18th March 2010
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Hello,

I have a wall in my flat that requires knocking down.

The wall is about 6.5ft in length and will enable me to open up a room.

The Strucural engineers and Managing Agents have stated that this wall is not a supporting wall and have said it can be knocked down providing the corrective methods (ie.Lintel / RSJ)are fitted.

With this in mind, what is the rough ball park for a job of this nature:

Knockdown wall, fit structural mods, make good.

Thanks

Busamav

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209 months

Thursday 18th March 2010
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why would you put a beeam in if it is not a loadbearing wall , or are you just forming an opening ?

OldSkoolRS

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180 months

Thursday 18th March 2010
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I've just done something similar myself, the wall was breeze block, but non supporting. It took me a whole day and a half to take it down, though I made it harder on myself by leaving the plasterboard in place on the kitchen side to minimise the mess a little longer.

Mine is approx 10 feet wide at the point I removed it. It half filled a skip too, so you need to factor that in as our (second) 6 yard skip cost £160 on top of whatever the builder wants to charge. Then you've got the making good of the ceiling, side walls (another couple of evenings in my case) and any coving, plus a plasterer to skim the joins (I had artex so he did the whole 6.5 x 3.5 metres ceiling).

I'd like to think I saved myself about a grand by doing it myself (except the plastering), so I'll be interested to see what prices come up.




sleep envy

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250 months

Thursday 18th March 2010
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Rags said:
The Strucural engineers and Managing Agents have stated that this wall is not a supporting wall and have said it can be knocked down providing the corrective methods (ie.Lintel / RSJ)are fitted.
I'd speak to someone who know what they're talking about

if the wall is non-load bearing you won't need to fit any beam as there is nothing to support

Rags

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Thursday 18th March 2010
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sleep envy said:
Rags said:
The Strucural engineers and Managing Agents have stated that this wall is not a supporting wall and have said it can be knocked down providing the corrective methods (ie.Lintel / RSJ)are fitted.
I'd speak to someone who know what they're talking about

if the wall is non-load bearing you won't need to fit any beam as there is nothing to support
Sorry, I should have stated. They believe that the wall isnt structural from the plans via a phonecall I made but obviously if it is, then I will need RSJ's etc

They are coming around tomorrow to make a full assessment.

ooo000ooo

2,532 posts

195 months

Friday 19th March 2010
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Cost us £1500 to knock down a supporting wall slightly longer than yours. That included the rsj, plastering the walls, rerouting some electrics, removing kitchen units that were in the way, removing a radiator rerouting some plumbing, fixing a leak in a pipe that we were unaware of in the concrete floor and disposing of the rubble.

OldSkoolRS

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180 months

Thursday 25th March 2010
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Rags, did you ever get a price for this?

Edited by OldSkoolRS on Thursday 25th March 08:24

_dobbo_

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249 months

Thursday 25th March 2010
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ooo000ooo said:
Cost us £1500 to knock down a supporting wall slightly longer than yours. That included the rsj, plastering the walls, rerouting some electrics, removing kitchen units that were in the way, removing a radiator rerouting some plumbing, fixing a leak in a pipe that we were unaware of in the concrete floor and disposing of the rubble.
This sounds like EXACTLY what we need doing, going to get some builders in for quotes soonish.


Rags

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Thursday 25th March 2010
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They have still not arranged to come round and inspect the wall despite a few phone calls. Useless fools. When i do get the go ahead I will let you know how much I get quoted. £1500 sounds fair enough. Makes no economic sense if it's anymore but then again you can't put a price on extra space!?

Rags

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Wednesday 7th April 2010
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OldSkoolRS said:
Rags, did you ever get a price for this?

Edited by OldSkoolRS on Thursday 25th March 08:24
looks like my local councils regs mean that its a fire hazard to have an open plan kitchen that results in no clear exit out of the property.

Next plan, a window in the internal wall.

OldSkoolRS

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Wednesday 7th April 2010
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Sorry to hear that, though I don't really understand what you mean about being open plan and not having an exit, I guess it's different to my layout (essentially just a bigger kitchen than before, one door in and a separate hallway out to the front door or rear exit via lounge).

I just bought a used amp of another 'Rags' on AVForums and caused confussion as I'd assumed you were the same people. smile

Busamav

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209 months

Wednesday 7th April 2010
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I am guessing he would no longer have double door protection to the stairwell .

OldSkoolRS

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Wednesday 7th April 2010
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Busamav said:
I am guessing he would no longer have double door protection to the stairwell .
Now I'm even more confussed...is this something to do with a flat as my kitchen is off the hall (like most houses I'd imagine) and therefore straight into the same area as my stairs? Therefore I've just got a single door between the kitchen and the stairs (in fact I have no door at the minute as I need to plane a bit off since I tiled).

shirt

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202 months

Wednesday 7th April 2010
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Rags said:
They have still not arranged to come round and inspect the wall despite a few phone calls. Useless fools. When i do get the go ahead I will let you know how much I get quoted. £1500 sounds fair enough. Makes no economic sense if it's anymore but then again you can't put a price on extra space!?
if 1500 sounds fair then go for it, but if I were given a quote that size for knocking down a 6ft wall I'd be more than miffed.

firstly, take the plans to someone who knows what they're doing. you could prob. find someone local on here.

if its non load bearing, have yourself a de-stressing session with a sledgehammer and get a plasterer to make good.

even if it is structural, that price seems way too high to me. for 1600 I had a 12ft rsj put in to knock through the living & dining rooms and the entire ground floor of my house replastered.

Busamav

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Wednesday 7th April 2010
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OldSkoolRS said:
Busamav said:
I am guessing he would no longer have double door protection to the stairwell .
Now I'm even more confussed...is this something to do with a flat .
Yes , the main stairwell needs protection for everybodys safe escape.

That is my guess , but I stress it is a guess wink

OldSkoolRS

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Wednesday 7th April 2010
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Ah yes, that makes sense then. (Thought I'd get the local council knocking on my door asking me to put the wall back up. eek

Rags

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Wednesday 7th April 2010
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shirt said:
Rags said:
They have still not arranged to come round and inspect the wall despite a few phone calls. Useless fools. When i do get the go ahead I will let you know how much I get quoted. £1500 sounds fair enough. Makes no economic sense if it's anymore but then again you can't put a price on extra space!?
if 1500 sounds fair then go for it, but if I were given a quote that size for knocking down a 6ft wall I'd be more than miffed.

firstly, take the plans to someone who knows what they're doing. you could prob. find someone local on here.

if its non load bearing, have yourself a de-stressing session with a sledgehammer and get a plasterer to make good.

even if it is structural, that price seems way too high to me. for 1600 I had a 12ft rsj put in to knock through the living & dining rooms and the entire ground floor of my house replastered.
thanks for the pointers, however I haven't even had a quote yet and am now nota permitted to knock down the wall!


Rags

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Wednesday 7th April 2010
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OldSkoolRS said:
Sorry to hear that, though I don't really understand what you mean about being open plan and not having an exit, I guess it's different to my layout (essentially just a bigger kitchen than before, one door in and a separate hallway out to the front door or rear exit via lounge).

I just bought a used amp of another 'Rags' on AVForums and caused confussion as I'd assumed you were the same people. smile
no not me I am afraid! Did you ask him about how his wall was !!! Lol

Rags

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Wednesday 7th April 2010
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Busamav said:
OldSkoolRS said:
Busamav said:
I am guessing he would no longer have double door protection to the stairwell .
Now I'm even more confussed...is this something to do with a flat .
Yes , the main stairwell needs protection for everybodys safe escape.

That is my guess , but I stress it is a guess wink
The reason why I am unable to knock down that wall s because the council fire regs state that i require at least 2 doors between any potential fire source and communal areas- in this case my lounge. It does appear strange as how do open plan flats work!?

OldSkoolRS

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Wednesday 7th April 2010
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Rags said:
no not me I am afraid! Did you ask him about how his wall was !!! Lol
Yes, it all got very confusing as I just mentioned 'PH' and he googled 'PH Forums' and found something quite different to this one. smile

I can't understand the two doors rule as my Nephew lives in a newly built flat with a kitchen/dinning/living room so he can see his kitchen from his sofa...However as my initial interest was to see how much money I'd saved by DIYing mine, then it seems that I saved maybe a grand and as I needed the skip anyway that doesn't count in my book. wink I'm still ploding on with the job, but for once it's not me but the sparky that is holding me back now: I'm tiled, plastered, painted and even some units in place, but waiting on the wiring for the new oven(s) before I can put the last few units in place. Still I'm only 7 weeks in and I once took 9 months just doing a living room. smile