Leaving a dog in a vehicle

[BubbleHash]

ali_kat said:

I could tell by the state the dog was in that it needed water & air NOW, not when the owner came back or Police arrived.

I smashed the window as the person with me rang the Police to advise what we were doing.

Oh, and the parking ticket on the car gave the time...

Yeah i supose you did not know how long the dog was in the car for before you arrived.
And it did look as though it was distressed.

What did the police say about smashing the window? did you have to pay for the damages? could be quite interesting if the time ever arises for me to get caught up in this situation
I hate suffering animals, dont get me wrong, but could be a number of reasons why a dog is left inside a car.

If i ever had to leave my dog in the car i would make sure to keep a fan inside the car with the windows 4/5 Inches open to keep the air circulating, give the dog a quick rub down of water and bowl for him to drink.

leaving a note on the window saying ill be back in 10-15min etc

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[ali_kat]

Police said to go ahead

I already had done

It took the Police 15 minutes to arrive (with lights but no siren). They arrived before the owner, and took over looking after the dog (a collie style mongrel) and waiting for the owners... With whom they were not amused!

[bexVN]

ali_kat said:

bexVN said:

No perfectly correct and I would do the same.

Almost did few years ago, two collies, hyped up in a van at an event, very hot day. Got the guy on the tannoy system to put out an urgent message warning them that if they didn't take their dogs out the van they would have the windows smashed. Owners did remove them but I'd have had no hesitation but to smash those windows if they hadn't.

Dogs can die VERY quickly in hot cars, 15 mins is enough to bring on heatstroke and death.

Thanks Becky (good to see you )

There was a tannoy going out last year at Wilton House for the owner to return urgently before their windows were smashed - never did here what happened, but I know what would have if any of the group I was with had found them!

Smashing windows will make a mess, but save a life! It is a minor inconvenience that can be easily replaced; a dog isn't!

Didn't manage to stay away long did I!! PH matters - addict for life I needed a breather I felt quite hurt and didn't really know what to do at the time. Will try and keep my post count down all the same.

Windows can be replaced the dogs (or children for that matter!) can't. I think the owner is responsible for the costs if found to be good reason to break the window, call to the police first sensible to cover your backs!

[parakitaMol.]

BubbleHash said:

but could be a number of reasons why a dog is left inside a car.

No reason is good enough for causing needless suffering. It's akin to torture and anyone doing this could face prosecution.

http://www.dogstodaymagazine.co.uk/dontcookyourdog...

[BubbleHash]

parakitaMol. said:

No reason is good enough for causing needless suffering. It's akin to torture and anyone doing this could face prosecution.

http://www.dogstodaymagazine.co.uk/dontcookyourdog...

I can think of loads but i do see you're perfectly valid point.

Is this the same in the Winter? or is it only when the days are hot enough enough to bring ambient temps inside the car to the point where a dog is in dangour

[bexVN]

BubbleHash said:

parakitaMol. said:

No reason is good enough for causing needless suffering. It's akin to torture and anyone doing this could face prosecution.

http://www.dogstodaymagazine.co.uk/dontcookyourdog...

I can think of loads but i do see you're perfectly valid point.

Is this the same in the Winter? or is it only when the days are hot enough enough to bring ambient temps inside the car to the point where a dog is in dangour

Winter is a much lower risk but even in winter if a car is left in the sun it could still heat up like an oven. To be honest I can't remember dealing with a heatsroke case that has occurred in the wintertime though. Obviously common sense should prevail but there are so many risks associated by leaving a dog in the car in warm weather it isn't worth it. People get caught up with tasks, end up longer than they thought, the car had been parked in the shade but quickly heats as the sun moves round etc etc. Cars still cook even with windows open esp if humid and no breeze. A 2 inch gap on a couple of windows is not acceptable. If you have to do it all windows should all be open at least 6 inches, in good shade and with a bowl of water. Even then you're pushing your luck. The dog may not die or end up ill but it will still have suffered.

[parakitaMol.]

If a dog suffered from heat exhaustion or even died as a result, would you feel the valid reason was still valid? I cannot think of a single reason worth causing suffering to an animal. Not one.

The inside car temperature can still rise rapidly and be a serious danger to a dog. It's like a greenhouse, even in winter it can get very hot in cars.

Edited by parakitaMol. on Thursday 9th August 20:37

[ali_kat]

bexVN said:

Didn't manage to stay away long did I!! PH matters - addict for life I needed a breather I felt quite hurt and didn't really know what to do at the time. Will try and keep my post count down all the same.

I'm not suprised you were, but you should know that we all luv you

What is it with you & post count? Yours actually matter!

[parakitaMol.]

ali_kat said:

bexVN said:

Didn't manage to stay away long did I!! PH matters - addict for life I needed a breather I felt quite hurt and didn't really know what to do at the time. Will try and keep my post count down all the same.

I'm not suprised you were, but you should know that we all luv you

What is it with you & post count? Yours actually matter!

I have no idea what happened Bex. Do you want me to give anyone a bunch of fives? I don't spend much time on PH anymore either, but certainly noticed you've not been around on this forum much. Glad to have you back

[BubbleHash]

parakitaMol. said:

If a dog suffered from heat exhaustion or even died as a result, would you feel the valid reason was still valid? I cannot think of a single reason worth causing suffering to an animal. Not one.

The inside car temperature can still rise rapidly and be a serious danger to a dog. It's like a greenhouse, even in winter it can get very hot in cars.

Edited by parakitaMol. on Thursday 9th August 20:37

Mother, child and dog outside in a park and the child gets injured. possibly a headwound. the mother would proberly be panicing and the first thing she wants to do
is getting help to her child and making sure he/she is ok.it was the question of getting her injured child to the hospital as quickly as possible fearing and panicing for his/her life

that would be a valid reason for a dog to be left in a car. And since we are all diffrent we don't know what impulce desions that could of taken place. but that seems like one that could quite easily happen given the circumstances.

But if my dog was suffering then i would indeed be thankfull for somebody saving my dogs life.

There are times when a dog would get left in a car on pure circumstances out of your control
but its a diffrent matter if say somboday activly decided to take the dog shopping becuase after that they would go to the beach knowing that the dog would have a hard time in the car is pretty stupid.

[mrmr96]

BubbleHash said:

parakitaMol. said:

No reason is good enough for causing needless suffering. It's akin to torture and anyone doing this could face prosecution.

http://www.dogstodaymagazine.co.uk/dontcookyourdog...

I can think of loads but i do see you're perfectly valid point.

Is this the same in the Winter? or is it only when the days are hot enough enough to bring ambient temps inside the car to the point where a dog is in dangour

Go on then, please list "loads" of reasons which you think justify needless suffering.

[ali_kat]

BubbleHash said:

Mother, child and dog outside in a park and the child gets injured. possibly a headwound. the mother would proberly be panicing and the first thing she wants to do
is getting help to her child and making sure he/she is ok.it was the question of getting my injured child to the hospital as quickly as possible fearing and panicing for his/her life

that would be a very valid reason for a dog to be left in a car. And since we are all diffrent we don't know what impulce desions that could of taken place. but that seems like one that could quite easily happen given the circumstances.

But if my dog was suffering then i would indeed be thankfull for somebody saving my dogs life.

There are times when a dog would get left in a car on pure circumstances out of your control
but its a diffrent matter if say somboday activly decided to take the dog shopping becuase after that they would go to the beach knowing that the dog would have a hard time in the car is pretty stupid.

Dogs should not be left in the car.

Full stop. End of story.

RSPCA said:

You should never leave a dog alone in a car.

It can get unbearably hot in a car on a sunny day, even when it’s not that warm.

In fact, when it’s 22°C/72°F outside, the temperature inside a car can soar to 47°C/117°F within 60 minutes.

Unlike humans, dogs pant to help keep themselves cool. In a hot stuffy car dogs can’t cool down – leaving a window open or a sunshield on your windscreen won’t keep your car cool enough. Dogs die in hot cars.

[bexVN]

parakitaMol. said:

ali_kat said:

bexVN said:

Didn't manage to stay away long did I!! PH matters - addict for life I needed a breather I felt quite hurt and didn't really know what to do at the time. Will try and keep my post count down all the same.

I'm not suprised you were, but you should know that we all luv you

What is it with you & post count? Yours actually matter!

I have no idea what happened Bex. Do you want me to give anyone a bunch of fives? I don't spend much time on PH anymore either, but certainly noticed you've not been around on this forum much. Glad to have you back

Thanks but no not necessary , it was a bit unexpected but I'm dealig with it.

Ali - I am a bit obsessed aren't I but thanks

[mrmr96]

BubbleHash said:

parakitaMol. said:

If a dog suffered from heat exhaustion or even died as a result, would you feel the valid reason was still valid? I cannot think of a single reason worth causing suffering to an animal. Not one.

The inside car temperature can still rise rapidly and be a serious danger to a dog. It's like a greenhouse, even in winter it can get very hot in cars.

Edited by parakitaMol. on Thursday 9th August 20:37

Mother, child and dog outside in a park and the child gets injured. possibly a headwound. the mother would proberly be panicing and the first thing she wants to do
is getting help to her child and making sure he/she is ok.it was the question of getting her injured child to the hospital as quickly as possible fearing and panicing for his/her life

that would be a valid reason for a dog to be left in a car. And since we are all diffrent we don't know what impulce desions that could of taken place. but that seems like one that could quite easily happen given the circumstances.

But if my dog was suffering then i would indeed be thankfull for somebody saving my dogs life.

There are times when a dog would get left in a car on pure circumstances out of your control
but its a diffrent matter if say somboday activly decided to take the dog shopping becuase after that they would go to the beach knowing that the dog would have a hard time in the car is pretty stupid.

It would take about 10-15secs to tell someone where the dog in the car was, and that other person could take steps to sort it out, even if that meant reporting it to the police yourself. Being "in a panic" does not count as a valid reason not to take an action to save the dog's suffering.

[CraigMST]

May be a silly question, so on really hot days, don't take the dog on a day out if you are going far?

[bexVN]

CraigMST said:

May be a silly question, so on really hot days, don't take the dog on a day out if you are going far?

They are ok in a moving car as long as careful ie air conditioning and shades on the back window and preferably not forced to sit the boot of a small hatchback and only if you can take them out at the end of the journey into a coolish place. Otherwise, yes leave them at home or travel at cool times.

[parakitaMol.]

BubbleHash said:

Mother, child and dog outside in a park and the child gets injured. possibly a headwound. the mother would proberly be panicing and the first thing she wants to do
is getting help to her child and making sure he/she is ok.it was the question of getting her injured child to the hospital as quickly as possible fearing and panicing for his/her life

Oh for heaven's sake.

[AdiT]

Opening the windows "a bit" can have little effect on temps inside the car and should not be regarded as sufficient. As the hot air rises unless there is a supply of fresh air into the car via another route the air flow will stall and the temps rise. Tinted windows reduce the effect of the sun but not enough.

There are ways that do work however. My Weim' spends most weekday mornings and some afternoons in the car... all year around. BEAR WITH ME HERE! Wind deflectors on the windows allow them to be left partly open on wet days. Tint reduces some heating effect of the sun. On hot, sunny days the windscreen is covered, the windows are open and the sun roof open. With all that the temps still rise! The answer is a bar that holds the tailgate open 6". That allows fresh air to be drawn in (you can feel the draft on your hand) as the hot air rises. Ironically the more sun is on the car the greater the air flow. Temps in the car have been measured as lower than external and always "feel" cooler; Actually found the dog shivering on a sunny but cool spring day with this method.

I made the bar myself (I'll try and post pictures tomorrow) after seeing a one available on the internet and allows the car to be locked with the door propped open.

[King Herald]

BubbleHash said:

Mother, child and dog outside in a park and the child gets injured. possibly a headwound........

that would be a valid reason for a dog to be left in a car.

Oh for the love of god.

[blueheron]

Any update?