Other dog off the lead 'attacked' ours ..
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Out walking our 14wk labradoodle cross in a local park, on the lead.
Just as we entered the park she got 'jumped' by another dog who was off the lead. I think it may have just been very boisterous play from the other dog, who was an adult spaniel size; there were no bites, but ours went straight on her back yelping loudly and the other dog did not relent, it had pinned her down and was worrying at her while she struggled underneath.
I dropped the lead as I thought it was stopping her getting away, and she escaped, chased by the other dog who then stopped, except ours carried on toward the road..
Luckily once she got to the road she stopped, but hid around the entrance to the park, still whimpering.
What do you do in this situation? I maybe think I shouldn't have dropped the lead, but she was at the end trying to get away and the other dog wouldn't give up. I was about to grab the other dogs' legs to pull it back but at that point it ran off!
Anyway no harm done, seemed ok later that day and this morning, so hopefully not a bad memory for the future..
Just as we entered the park she got 'jumped' by another dog who was off the lead. I think it may have just been very boisterous play from the other dog, who was an adult spaniel size; there were no bites, but ours went straight on her back yelping loudly and the other dog did not relent, it had pinned her down and was worrying at her while she struggled underneath.
I dropped the lead as I thought it was stopping her getting away, and she escaped, chased by the other dog who then stopped, except ours carried on toward the road..
Luckily once she got to the road she stopped, but hid around the entrance to the park, still whimpering.
What do you do in this situation? I maybe think I shouldn't have dropped the lead, but she was at the end trying to get away and the other dog wouldn't give up. I was about to grab the other dogs' legs to pull it back but at that point it ran off!
Anyway no harm done, seemed ok later that day and this morning, so hopefully not a bad memory for the future..
boobles said:
Words with the other owner about keeping their dog under control.
Exactly. You should not let your dog off the lead unless you have full recall of the dog.
I have a YokiePoo and a German Shepherd. Both go off the lead but never fail to come back when called.
If they did not vome back I would not allow them off the lead.
Sounds like they were playing and yours got caught off guard.
With the dog being 14 weeks old its not exaclty going to know the differance between playing and "fighting" with other dogs.
And most of the times its not the "owner" keeping the dog under control !! We have a 12 month old brown doberman beautiful dog but if we let him off his lead he wont come back however if he sees another dog he goes bounding straight over (which must be a scary sight) playing , his hairs dont stand up he doesnt bite. first thing people say is "hes attacking my dog" . Well no hes not hes just a pup still and all he wants to do is play.
apologies for the rant but it pisses me off no end when people say that the dogs been attacked when infact it was just an over playfull dog.
With the dog being 14 weeks old its not exaclty going to know the differance between playing and "fighting" with other dogs.
And most of the times its not the "owner" keeping the dog under control !! We have a 12 month old brown doberman beautiful dog but if we let him off his lead he wont come back however if he sees another dog he goes bounding straight over (which must be a scary sight) playing , his hairs dont stand up he doesnt bite. first thing people say is "hes attacking my dog" . Well no hes not hes just a pup still and all he wants to do is play.
apologies for the rant but it pisses me off no end when people say that the dogs been attacked when infact it was just an over playfull dog.
cyborg said:
Sounds like they were playing and yours got caught off guard.
With the dog being 14 weeks old its not exaclty going to know the differance between playing and "fighting" with other dogs.
And most of the times its not the "owner" keeping the dog under control !! We have a 12 month old brown doberman beautiful dog but if we let him off his lead he wont come back however if he sees another dog he goes bounding straight over (which must be a scary sight) playing , his hairs dont stand up he doesnt bite. first thing people say is "hes attacking my dog" . Well no hes not hes just a pup still and all he wants to do is play.
apologies for the rant but it pisses me off no end when people say that the dogs been attacked when infact it was just an over playfull dog.
People like you piss me off, keep your bloody dog under control. Teach it when it can play and when it cant, as a young dog it neds to be taught the boundaries. Most people dont want other dogs running upto theirs and playing, as per the OP. Only let your dog off the lead if it'll recall, and it's only playing is no excuse for it not coming back or going bounding upto other dogs. Sounds like your dog is poorly trained and has no manners. With the dog being 14 weeks old its not exaclty going to know the differance between playing and "fighting" with other dogs.
And most of the times its not the "owner" keeping the dog under control !! We have a 12 month old brown doberman beautiful dog but if we let him off his lead he wont come back however if he sees another dog he goes bounding straight over (which must be a scary sight) playing , his hairs dont stand up he doesnt bite. first thing people say is "hes attacking my dog" . Well no hes not hes just a pup still and all he wants to do is play.
apologies for the rant but it pisses me off no end when people say that the dogs been attacked when infact it was just an over playfull dog.
boy said:cyborg said:
Sounds like they were playing and yours got caught off guard.
With the dog being 14 weeks old its not exaclty going to know the differance between playing and "fighting" with other dogs.
And most of the times its not the "owner" keeping the dog under control !! We have a 12 month old brown doberman beautiful dog but if we let him off his lead he wont come back however if he sees another dog he goes bounding straight over (which must be a scary sight) playing , his hairs dont stand up he doesnt bite. first thing people say is "hes attacking my dog" . Well no hes not hes just a pup still and all he wants to do is play.
apologies for the rant but it pisses me off no end when people say that the dogs been attacked when infact it was just an over playfull dog.
People like you piss me off, keep your bloody dog under control. Teach it when it can play and when it cant, as a young dog it neds to be taught the boundaries. Most people dont want other dogs running upto theirs and playing, as per the OP. Only let your dog off the lead if it'll recall, and it's only playing is no excuse for it not coming back or going bounding upto other dogs. Sounds like your dog is poorly trained and has no manners. With the dog being 14 weeks old its not exaclty going to know the differance between playing and "fighting" with other dogs.
And most of the times its not the "owner" keeping the dog under control !! We have a 12 month old brown doberman beautiful dog but if we let him off his lead he wont come back however if he sees another dog he goes bounding straight over (which must be a scary sight) playing , his hairs dont stand up he doesnt bite. first thing people say is "hes attacking my dog" . Well no hes not hes just a pup still and all he wants to do is play.
apologies for the rant but it pisses me off no end when people say that the dogs been attacked when infact it was just an over playfull dog.
I'm with the two posters above , my dog just doesn't like other dogs hence is on the lead all the time when other dogs are about yet this stupid £$Fhole let there fox terrier come run up to brodie whilst they wasn't even in sight - in fact they bogged off in to the woods . Brods didn't like the attention{ after the initial sniffing around } and was ready to go for him yet i had to restraint him and shoo off the fox terrier meanwhile the owner is no where to be seen
If you see another dog keep yours on the lead please - not all other dogs want to play
If you see another dog keep yours on the lead please - not all other dogs want to play
OP, hopefully no harm done to your pup!
As someone else briefly mentioned, when they're so young, experiences like the one you describe (an unknown, fully grown dog bounding over and playing), that is, a completely new experience for the pup, might sometimes elicit an "odd" reaction from the pup, simply because they don't know how to react (yet).
We had such a situation with one of ours where she didn't know what to do... she got dropped (!) from a chair onto the floor when she was 8 weeks old. A fall of about a foot and a half and a landing on all 4 paws, but because she'd never experienced a fall from a "height", or, presumably, that amount of shock/pain, she just didn't know what to do, so she lay down, then got up and tried to jump around, then yelped, then whimpered, then lay down again, then tried to jump around....... repeat ad infinitum, until the shock had worn off, she'd discovered she could still walk, and... well, that was that!
From your description, it doesn't sound like there was anything particularly untoward about the scenario, except the given of an uncontrolled dog, who was perhaps a bit over-exhuberant in his playing. See how she is with other (controlled) dogs, who you know won't mind saying hello to a pup... I imagine she'll be fine!
Edit to add... I completely mis-read the OP... thought it said "was worrying her", as in, concerning her! Not actually worrying her... do you mean it was mouthing her anywhere?
Restrains self from rant on uncontrolled dogs
As someone else briefly mentioned, when they're so young, experiences like the one you describe (an unknown, fully grown dog bounding over and playing), that is, a completely new experience for the pup, might sometimes elicit an "odd" reaction from the pup, simply because they don't know how to react (yet).
We had such a situation with one of ours where she didn't know what to do... she got dropped (!) from a chair onto the floor when she was 8 weeks old. A fall of about a foot and a half and a landing on all 4 paws, but because she'd never experienced a fall from a "height", or, presumably, that amount of shock/pain, she just didn't know what to do, so she lay down, then got up and tried to jump around, then yelped, then whimpered, then lay down again, then tried to jump around....... repeat ad infinitum, until the shock had worn off, she'd discovered she could still walk, and... well, that was that!
From your description, it doesn't sound like there was anything particularly untoward about the scenario, except the given of an uncontrolled dog, who was perhaps a bit over-exhuberant in his playing. See how she is with other (controlled) dogs, who you know won't mind saying hello to a pup... I imagine she'll be fine!
Edit to add... I completely mis-read the OP... thought it said "was worrying her", as in, concerning her! Not actually worrying her... do you mean it was mouthing her anywhere?
Restrains self from rant on uncontrolled dogs
Edited by Karyn on Wednesday 15th August 12:59
cyborg said:
Sounds like they were playing and yours got caught off guard.
With the dog being 14 weeks old its not exaclty going to know the differance between playing and "fighting" with other dogs.
And most of the times its not the "owner" keeping the dog under control !! We have a 12 month old brown doberman beautiful dog but if we let him off his lead he wont come back however if he sees another dog he goes bounding straight over (which must be a scary sight) playing , his hairs dont stand up he doesnt bite. first thing people say is "hes attacking my dog" . Well no hes not hes just a pup still and all he wants to do is play.
apologies for the rant but it pisses me off no end when people say that the dogs been attacked when infact it was just an over playfull dog.
If your dog won't come back when it is let off the lead, then don't let it off the fWith the dog being 14 weeks old its not exaclty going to know the differance between playing and "fighting" with other dogs.
And most of the times its not the "owner" keeping the dog under control !! We have a 12 month old brown doberman beautiful dog but if we let him off his lead he wont come back however if he sees another dog he goes bounding straight over (which must be a scary sight) playing , his hairs dont stand up he doesnt bite. first thing people say is "hes attacking my dog" . Well no hes not hes just a pup still and all he wants to do is play.
apologies for the rant but it pisses me off no end when people say that the dogs been attacked when infact it was just an over playfull dog.
king leadKaryn said:
Edit to add... I completely mis-read the OP... thought it said "was worrying her", as in, concerning her! Not actually worrying her... do you mean it was mouthing her anywhere?
It was mouthing but not biting, I assume as she has no bite marks. It looked to me like very vigorous play; but then surely the 'winner' should give up if the other dog is lying on their back, whimpering and frantically trying to get away? I live on the very edge of a small village. I moved there so I could walk my dog through fields and farm tracks each day rather than walk him around inner city parks etc. Most people who live near me have field dogs (labs, springers etc. etc.) and all the dogs get along great when they meet each other as they're running about. However, if the weather is particularly nice I quite often bump into people, with non-field dogs, that have taken the opportunity to slip on their 3/4 length shorts and their Reebok classic trainers and have a wander along the farm tracks. These dogs are almost always kept on their leader. Whilst it's not an issue to recall my dog and clip his leader on so we can walk past these snarling status symbols it does make we wonder if they'd be better off sticking to their usual parks or simply spending time to socialise their animals properly like the rest of us did.
It's kind of off topic I guess but the OP's story reminded me of it.
It's kind of off topic I guess but the OP's story reminded me of it.
essayer said:
It was mouthing but not biting, I assume as she has no bite marks. It looked to me like very vigorous play; but then surely the 'winner' should give up if the other dog is lying on their back, whimpering and frantically trying to get away?
Playing, especially boisterous playing, will usually involve mouthing from one or other of the dogs... our two, for example, play either "bite the balls" or "eat the ears", dependent on who has initiated play. To the eye un-used to seeing it, dogs playing can sometimes look like it's fighting and/or un-even.Has pup ever played with an unknown dog before? It might be that she just doesn't know how to play with "new" dogs... hence her initial reaction of lying down. One dog lying down doesn't always mean the other dog will give up playing, unfortunately, although it should be taken as a signal of submission and "p
s off, I'm done playing now". I do think, however, the fact that she was lying down and the other dog didn't stop playing with her might have escalated her response into the whimpers and the struggling... "I've lain down and he's still here...WTF, how do I make this stop?!"
Given that nothing too untoward happened (other dog went away, no bites, she was "freed", business continued as usual), I'd just continue to socialise her with other dogs, let her play, and see how she goes... think you'll find she'll be a little wary at first, but will soon forget!
One of the things that people forget when they have a boisterous /bigger dog is that some dogs really do not enjoy rough and tumble and some can get hurt simply because the size imbalance is so great.
My littlest Dachshund was 'bounced on' by a Springer as it did that two paw bounce thing to initiate a play session.... (nothing aggressive whatsoever, just boisterous play) but it REALLY hurt his back and it's claws scratched him - he was quite distressed.
My two do NOT like it when a big dog comes bounding up - I can tell if the body language is play or dominant but it makes no difference to a lot of tiny dogs (and bigger ones actually) as they find it frightening and intimidating.
Big dog owners should maybe be a bit more sensitive to this. It only takes a little bit of observation to see if the dog wants to join in or not. If it's clear that it doesn't then call it back - please.
My littlest Dachshund was 'bounced on' by a Springer as it did that two paw bounce thing to initiate a play session.... (nothing aggressive whatsoever, just boisterous play) but it REALLY hurt his back and it's claws scratched him - he was quite distressed.
My two do NOT like it when a big dog comes bounding up - I can tell if the body language is play or dominant but it makes no difference to a lot of tiny dogs (and bigger ones actually) as they find it frightening and intimidating.
Big dog owners should maybe be a bit more sensitive to this. It only takes a little bit of observation to see if the dog wants to join in or not. If it's clear that it doesn't then call it back - please.
We have a 26kg year old dog and have a similar issue with loose dogs, though it's nearly always the owners with the small dogs that cause problems for us. Because the dogs are little (and often a bit aggro) their owners seem to think they can race up uninvited and snap and snarl at our very non-aggressive girl (who's on the lead) and it's no problem. But as a result she's getting increasingly nervous of little dogs!
So yes, big dogs or little dogs, they're all right buggers when their owners let them rush up uninvited!
So yes, big dogs or little dogs, they're all right buggers when their owners let them rush up uninvited!
anonymous said:
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Very, very few dogs will recall 100% of the time. Most trainers that I am aware of will accept this.I should also point out that two paws on the back is NOT playing but dominance. Bullying if you will. A dog placing paws or head on shoulders can lead to a fight if the other dog does not submit (though many will). Dogs signal that they want to play by bowing. Once one has bowed then bounced back up, the other dog bouncing around is the acceptance or a bow in return. Then it's game on whether it be chasing or wrestling.
It's difficult to tell OP if the dog was playing with yours (some don't understand the boundaries of play very well, one of our rescues does not appreciate he is 9 stone and at 29" to his shoulder a lot bigger than most dogs he wants to play with, and appears to struggle to understand how to temper play, he just bowls them over then sits and looks guilty) or was looking to be aggressive - if your dog was uninjured then I doubt it was being attacked..
Edited by Jasandjules on Wednesday 15th August 20:47
My dog play bounces around dogs.
I don't think it's as black and white as some people think.
I class Jimmy as sell behaved, he plays well responds to me, doesn't chase bikes, joggers etc and avoids trouble as much as poss with other dogs.
However he does wander towards dogs on leads. I call him away and he will ignore them but he makes his own assessment aswell. He checks their reaction if negative he turns away if good he continue towards them. This can be the problem. Often the dog on the lead is friendly amd wants to play so I then ask the owners. If they aren't happy I stop him if they are I let him say hello. Though one dog on a lead and one off never easy!
He was playing with a young pup who was on a lead the other day (with permission) but I watched over him as he is all legs! and ensured he didn't' frighten the pup.
Op try to find some local walkers with friendly dogs so you can start to let him off the lead safely. Pup is less likely to run off if playing with friendly dogs
I don't think it's as black and white as some people think.
I class Jimmy as sell behaved, he plays well responds to me, doesn't chase bikes, joggers etc and avoids trouble as much as poss with other dogs.
However he does wander towards dogs on leads. I call him away and he will ignore them but he makes his own assessment aswell. He checks their reaction if negative he turns away if good he continue towards them. This can be the problem. Often the dog on the lead is friendly amd wants to play so I then ask the owners. If they aren't happy I stop him if they are I let him say hello. Though one dog on a lead and one off never easy!
He was playing with a young pup who was on a lead the other day (with permission) but I watched over him as he is all legs! and ensured he didn't' frighten the pup.
Op try to find some local walkers with friendly dogs so you can start to let him off the lead safely. Pup is less likely to run off if playing with friendly dogs
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