Keeping pets in cages - cruel?
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Rugbyman said:
GokTweed said:
Kermit power said:
GokTweed said:
Thinking of zoo's what are people opinions on these?
I think they'd be a perfect place to leave your wife's cat, but you might struggle to persuade them to take it.
GokTweed said:
Rugbyman said:
GokTweed said:
Kermit power said:
GokTweed said:
Thinking of zoo's what are people opinions on these?
I think they'd be a perfect place to leave your wife's cat, but you might struggle to persuade them to take it.Johnnytheboy said:
My dog sleeps in a cage all day when we're out at work. With the door wide open.
He's invariably in there when we get home.
It's all covered in blankets and full of more blankets, so it's like a little cosy kennel.
I reckon he's out partying and shagging every girl dog in sight from the minute you leave until just before you get back!He's invariably in there when we get home.
It's all covered in blankets and full of more blankets, so it's like a little cosy kennel.
Kermit power said:
Johnnytheboy said:
My dog sleeps in a cage all day when we're out at work. With the door wide open.
He's invariably in there when we get home.
It's all covered in blankets and full of more blankets, so it's like a little cosy kennel.
I reckon he's out partying and shagging every girl dog in sight from the minute you leave until just before you get back!He's invariably in there when we get home.
It's all covered in blankets and full of more blankets, so it's like a little cosy kennel.
Now you come to mention it, he does look a bit washed out at times...
MocMocaMoc said:
All f*cked up in my view. The house cat thing gets me the most, though.
Nope, we have 3 house cats, and they are house cats. Not allowed outside in the slightest.Reasons are very simple - they get into less fights, less fights means less vet bills, less outside means they don't need inoculating, they are far more healthy and tend to live substantially longer. We have one Si-mix that's putting in a very respectable 17-18 years at the moment. And whenever they get seen by a vet, it's always commented on how healthy they are.
We have three cats, all of which are allowed out during the daytime. One of them (male) will wake us up in the morning to demand to be let out, and will spend most of the day outdoors attending to Important Cat Business which mostly concerns Get The f
k Off My Stuff. Another (female) spends a fair bit of time outdoors hunting. The third (female) hardly goes out at all. Confining the first two indoors would negatively impact their quality of life, the third not so much.
k Off My Stuff. Another (female) spends a fair bit of time outdoors hunting. The third (female) hardly goes out at all. Confining the first two indoors would negatively impact their quality of life, the third not so much.tinman0 said:
Nope, we have 3 house cats, and they are house cats. Not allowed outside in the slightest.
Reasons are very simple - they get into less fights, less fights means less vet bills, less outside means they don't need inoculating, they are far more healthy and tend to live substantially longer. We have one Si-mix that's putting in a very respectable 17-18 years at the moment. And whenever they get seen by a vet, it's always commented on how healthy they are.
Living longer doesn't equal living happier / more naturally though. I don't think lower running costs are an acceptable reason to treat them poorly either. If you can't afford the vet bills or animal insurance, then you probably shouldn't have a pet in the first place.Reasons are very simple - they get into less fights, less fights means less vet bills, less outside means they don't need inoculating, they are far more healthy and tend to live substantially longer. We have one Si-mix that's putting in a very respectable 17-18 years at the moment. And whenever they get seen by a vet, it's always commented on how healthy they are.
icetea said:
tinman0 said:
Nope, we have 3 house cats, and they are house cats. Not allowed outside in the slightest.
Reasons are very simple - they get into less fights, less fights means less vet bills, less outside means they don't need inoculating, they are far more healthy and tend to live substantially longer. We have one Si-mix that's putting in a very respectable 17-18 years at the moment. And whenever they get seen by a vet, it's always commented on how healthy they are.
Living longer doesn't equal living happier / more naturally though. I don't think lower running costs are an acceptable reason to treat them poorly either. If you can't afford the vet bills or animal insurance, then you probably shouldn't have a pet in the first place.Reasons are very simple - they get into less fights, less fights means less vet bills, less outside means they don't need inoculating, they are far more healthy and tend to live substantially longer. We have one Si-mix that's putting in a very respectable 17-18 years at the moment. And whenever they get seen by a vet, it's always commented on how healthy they are.
I also don't think you're in a particularly good position to assess how happy somebody else's cats - that you've not so much as seen photos of - are.
I definitely don't think you're in a position to weigh up the pros and cons for those individual cats, in that home, in that location, and conclude that they are being treated poorly.
BlackVanDyke said:
I don't think there's much natural about Felis catus roaming about in northern Europe.
I also don't think you're in a particularly good position to assess how happy somebody else's cats - that you've not so much as seen photos of - are.
I definitely don't think you're in a position to weigh up the pros and cons for those individual cats, in that home, in that location, and conclude that they are being treated poorly.
If you're not in a location where you can't let cats (or dogs) outside, then you shouldn't have them at all.I also don't think you're in a particularly good position to assess how happy somebody else's cats - that you've not so much as seen photos of - are.
I definitely don't think you're in a position to weigh up the pros and cons for those individual cats, in that home, in that location, and conclude that they are being treated poorly.
Its not natural to keep cats locked up indoors... they need to be outdoor so they can explore and hunt. Its selfish to keep cats (or any other animals) if you can't look after them properly.... they're animals after all. Not toys.
icetea said:
Living longer doesn't equal living happier / more naturally though. I don't think lower running costs are an acceptable reason to treat them poorly either. If you can't afford the vet bills or animal insurance, then you probably shouldn't have a pet in the first place.
Go fk yourself. I think after spending $2500 in 6 months on two outside cats I'm allowed to say that they were getting expensive. They both got grounded.There is a very short space of time to catch an infection with a cat in our environment (mid 30Cs), unless you think puss oozing out of their shoulders is healthy. Maybe you think that a cat that spends weeks on antibiotics is "healthy", or a cat that has to wear a Victorian collar for 2 weeks is "stylish". They must REALLY enjoy scratching themselves to another vet appointment....
tinman0 said:
Go fk yourself. I think after spending $2500 in 6 months on two outside cats I'm allowed to say that they were getting expensive. They both got grounded.
There is a very short space of time to catch an infection with a cat in our environment (mid 30Cs), unless you think puss oozing out of their shoulders is healthy. Maybe you think that a cat that spends weeks on antibiotics is "healthy", or a cat that has to wear a Victorian collar for 2 weeks is "stylish". They must REALLY enjoy scratching themselves to another vet appointment....
Nice, someone has an opinion you don't agree with and they should go fk yourself. I think after spending $2500 in 6 months on two outside cats I'm allowed to say that they were getting expensive. They both got grounded.There is a very short space of time to catch an infection with a cat in our environment (mid 30Cs), unless you think puss oozing out of their shoulders is healthy. Maybe you think that a cat that spends weeks on antibiotics is "healthy", or a cat that has to wear a Victorian collar for 2 weeks is "stylish". They must REALLY enjoy scratching themselves to another vet appointment....
k themselves, thats mature If cats aren't suitable for your environment, or you can't afford to look after them properly - get a goldfish.
icetea said:
Its not natural to keep cats locked up indoors... they need to be outdoor so they can explore and hunt. Its selfish to keep cats (or any other animals) if you can't look after them properly.... they're animals after all. Not toys.
Well, I'll put it to our three girls and see what they say. One is asleep purring on my lap, one is on my wife trying to get her tongue into my wife's ear, and other is on it's back in front of the tv. I'll try and grab them when they retire for the bedroom and see what they say about this 'outside' thing, although, I'm figuring they don't care much - food bowl is inside after all.icetea said:
BlackVanDyke said:
I don't think there's much natural about Felis catus roaming about in northern Europe.
I also don't think you're in a particularly good position to assess how happy somebody else's cats - that you've not so much as seen photos of - are.
I definitely don't think you're in a position to weigh up the pros and cons for those individual cats, in that home, in that location, and conclude that they are being treated poorly.
If you're not in a location where you can't let cats (or dogs) outside, then you shouldn't have them at all.I also don't think you're in a particularly good position to assess how happy somebody else's cats - that you've not so much as seen photos of - are.
I definitely don't think you're in a position to weigh up the pros and cons for those individual cats, in that home, in that location, and conclude that they are being treated poorly.
Its not natural to keep cats locked up indoors... they need to be outdoor so they can explore and hunt. Its selfish to keep cats (or any other animals) if you can't look after them properly.... they're animals after all. Not toys.
What do you think I ought to do with my one 'normal' cat, then? Have her put down? Add her to the tens - hundreds? - of thousands sat in cages at Cats Protection, being ignored because people only ever want the cute kittens? It's not natural for cats to be on this continent, never mind living in cities in their millions - we humans, fools that we are, created this situation, and continue to worsen it by failing to prevent further reproduction.
My cats spend their days playing, interacting with each other and with me, and sleeping. Like all cats do. They live with me because they needed somewhere to live - that I enjoy their company is a secondary benefit.
You've - inadvertently? - been incredibly rude in your last message. You've now accused two people you don't know and whose animals you have never seen or met of not looking after them properly. As such I'm ending this conversation here. Life's too short.
icetea said:
Nice, someone has an opinion you don't agree with and they should go fk themselves, thats mature
If cats aren't suitable for your environment, or you can't afford to look after them properly - get a goldfish.
No, I think "go fk themselves, thats mature If cats aren't suitable for your environment, or you can't afford to look after them properly - get a goldfish.
k yourself" was an adequate response. I think you should.BTW, spoke to my cats, offered them outside, they formed a queue at the food bowl. Go figure.
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