Prescription for online flea treatment
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Got a lovely rescue dog a few weeks ago, but unfortunately she brought some little friends with her. On recommendation, I have just tried to buy some Advocate flea treatment online. However, it states I have to go to a vet and get a prescription signed and fax or e-mail it to them.
Is there any way of getting it without the pain of doing this. It seems a bit extreme for soemthing that you just drop onto their skin.
Is there any way of getting it without the pain of doing this. It seems a bit extreme for soemthing that you just drop onto their skin.
DocArbathnot said:
Fishier than a fleet of herring trawlers.- No street address
- Site copy sounds as though it's been translated from Urdu
- Stronghold / Milbemax are vet only - where are they getting their supplies if genuine?
Mobile Chicane said:
Fishier than a fleet of herring trawlers.
- No street address
- Site copy sounds as though it's been translated from Urdu
- Stronghold / Milbemax are vet only - where are they getting their supplies if genuine?
I use them with 4 large(ish) dogs. They're genuine. - No street address
- Site copy sounds as though it's been translated from Urdu
- Stronghold / Milbemax are vet only - where are they getting their supplies if genuine?
Before you ask how do I know, I know from the smell of advocat, having used it for a considerable time.
Edited by m4tti on Friday 13th September 23:22
bexVN said:
All good points.
It is against the law to import POM products from a non British website or any website that doesn't request a prescription. It will be the purchaser who will get into trouble not the seller.
So never buy a POM product without a prescription.
No it's not. You can import what you like from foreign pharmacies (as long as it isnt a class categorized drug) as long as it is for personal use and you can prove your not redistributing. It is against the law to import POM products from a non British website or any website that doesn't request a prescription. It will be the purchaser who will get into trouble not the seller.
So never buy a POM product without a prescription.
Bottom line is, if its not controlled you can import for personal use.
Edited by m4tti on Friday 13th September 23:17
m4tti said:
bexVN said:
All good points.
It is against the law to import POM products from a non British website or any website that doesn't request a prescription. It will be the purchaser who will get into trouble not the seller.
So never buy a POM product without a prescription.
No it's not. You can import what you like from foreign pharmacies (as long as it isnt a class categorized drug) as long as it is for personal use and you can prove your not redistributing. It is against the law to import POM products from a non British website or any website that doesn't request a prescription. It will be the purchaser who will get into trouble not the seller.
So never buy a POM product without a prescription.
Bottom line is, if its not controlled you can import for personal use.
Edited by m4tti on Friday 13th September 23:17
Bottom line is this category of drug should not be obtained without a prescription in this country, it is not for personal use either, these are products not intended for use on the person buying them.
Just double checked on an RCVS pdf and it clearly states that it is illegal.
Edited by bexVN on Friday 13th September 23:35
Can you find the law reference number? I believe you are wrong.
Even if it is a veterinary medicine it will be legal to obtain, this is why body builders would obtain equipoise and ralgrow under this law. I know this law fairly well. For those who don't know equipoise would be used by athletes in the place of stanazol (brand name winstrol as used by ben johnson) and ralgrow was a steroid containing cattle pellet, but would need the oestrogen separated from the formulae.
Accepted it is illegal to administer advocate without a license or prescription to animal or human but we all know what advocate does.
So it still stands it is not illegal to import advocate as it is not a controlled substance. But if a veterinary surgeon has prescribed advocate once and you know the dogs weight then I'd be confident in continuing especially if you take your dog annually to a VET. Even accepting that the administration may be illegal, do you envisage the cps pursuing.
Just to make it clear advocate is NOT a controlled substance period.
Even if it is a veterinary medicine it will be legal to obtain, this is why body builders would obtain equipoise and ralgrow under this law. I know this law fairly well. For those who don't know equipoise would be used by athletes in the place of stanazol (brand name winstrol as used by ben johnson) and ralgrow was a steroid containing cattle pellet, but would need the oestrogen separated from the formulae.
Accepted it is illegal to administer advocate without a license or prescription to animal or human but we all know what advocate does.
So it still stands it is not illegal to import advocate as it is not a controlled substance. But if a veterinary surgeon has prescribed advocate once and you know the dogs weight then I'd be confident in continuing especially if you take your dog annually to a VET. Even accepting that the administration may be illegal, do you envisage the cps pursuing.
Just to make it clear advocate is NOT a controlled substance period.
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Jasandjules said:
We use a natural product which seems to work quite well - posted a link somewhere on here before. Bear in mind we have three dogs (each at least 8 stone) and three cats.
If you do want to use chemicals then your vet may just write you a prescription (maybe charge £10 or so).
Natural products are made of chemicals!If you do want to use chemicals then your vet may just write you a prescription (maybe charge £10 or so).
Well I guess the vets I work with are wrong as well then?
You could have a read of the following if you like. I was actually deliberately keeping it straightforward, ie buy a POM V product with a prescription from your vet and from a UK site.
http://www.vmd.defra.gov.uk/pdf/vmgn/VMGNote03.pdf
Section 104
Anyway, I'm sticking to my advice as it is the advice of my (very experienced and knowledgeable boss)and it is designed to protect the animals under our care.
You could have a read of the following if you like. I was actually deliberately keeping it straightforward, ie buy a POM V product with a prescription from your vet and from a UK site.
http://www.vmd.defra.gov.uk/pdf/vmgn/VMGNote03.pdf
Section 104
Anyway, I'm sticking to my advice as it is the advice of my (very experienced and knowledgeable boss)and it is designed to protect the animals under our care.
bexVN said:
Well I guess the vets I work with are wrong as well then?
You could have a read of the following if you like. I was actually deliberately keeping it straightforward, ie buy a POM V product with a prescription from your vet and from a UK site.
http://www.vmd.defra.gov.uk/pdf/vmgn/VMGNote03.pdf
Section 104
Anyway, I'm sticking to my advice as it is the advice of my (very experienced and knowledgeable boss)and it is designed to protect the animals under our care.
Uhh ok... you guess wrong and you are quoting guidlines applicable to uk based redistributers. That still doesn't really help this topic. You could have a read of the following if you like. I was actually deliberately keeping it straightforward, ie buy a POM V product with a prescription from your vet and from a UK site.
http://www.vmd.defra.gov.uk/pdf/vmgn/VMGNote03.pdf
Section 104
Anyway, I'm sticking to my advice as it is the advice of my (very experienced and knowledgeable boss)and it is designed to protect the animals under our care.
Just to make this clear people.
The DEFRA link states.
Importation and exportation of veterinary medicinal products
It is an offence to import a VMP not authorised for use in the UK and to supply such a VMP, unless it is supplied under the prescription of a veterinary surgeon and with a suitable import certificate issued by the VMD.
To summarise this means.
A) it is illegal for a UK based pharmaceutical suppliers to sell or redistribute prescription only medicines without the necessary licence, and the customer having the necessary prescription.
B)it is legal for UK citizens to purchase prescription only medicines (or veterinary products authorised for use in the uk market) from off shore pharmacies without prescription providing the product is not a controlled substance and it is for personal use.
Yes you can buy advocate online without a prescription legally.
The end.
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Edited by m4tti on Saturday 14th September 08:32
Interesting that that site will sell you Advocate without a prescription but demands a prescription for other Pom-v drugs - might as well be consistent and supply everything without a prescription.
It may be legal to obtain the drug, but the prescription system is really there to protect the animal. I've seen enough cases of pet owners using products carrying multiple warnings inappropriately that prescription medications provide a degree of additional protection for the animal of at least ensuring the appropriate product is supplied in an appropriate amount.
It may be legal to obtain the drug, but the prescription system is really there to protect the animal. I've seen enough cases of pet owners using products carrying multiple warnings inappropriately that prescription medications provide a degree of additional protection for the animal of at least ensuring the appropriate product is supplied in an appropriate amount.
gd49 said:
Interesting that that site will sell you Advocate without a prescription but demands a prescription for other Pom-v drugs - might as well be consistent and supply everything without a prescription.
It may be legal to obtain the drug, but the prescription system is really there to protect the animal. I've seen enough cases of pet owners using products carrying multiple warnings inappropriately that prescription medications provide a degree of additional protection for the animal of at least ensuring the appropriate product is supplied in an appropriate amount.
Agreed. If your using any of these medications for anything beyond simply topping up protection such as that advocate provides and aren't 110% clear on what you are doing then goto the vets. It may be legal to obtain the drug, but the prescription system is really there to protect the animal. I've seen enough cases of pet owners using products carrying multiple warnings inappropriately that prescription medications provide a degree of additional protection for the animal of at least ensuring the appropriate product is supplied in an appropriate amount.
This article is aimed at pet owners. Esp last paragraph on page 2 as quoted by Head of Enforcement at the Veterinary Medicines Directorate.
http://www.cats.org.uk/uploads/documents/The_Cat_M...
As I said I will continue to advise as I have been, would far rather play safe and protect both owner and pet, really cannot see issue with this.
And to clarify I never said Advocate was a controlled substance. I said it was class categorised (as a POM-V) Eventually I am sure these sort of products will be down classed so a px won't be necessary (like Frontline drops were a few years ago) but until then any site of worth should ask for a px before dispensing, if they don't, then they should be avoided for good reasons.
http://www.cats.org.uk/uploads/documents/The_Cat_M...
As I said I will continue to advise as I have been, would far rather play safe and protect both owner and pet, really cannot see issue with this.
And to clarify I never said Advocate was a controlled substance. I said it was class categorised (as a POM-V) Eventually I am sure these sort of products will be down classed so a px won't be necessary (like Frontline drops were a few years ago) but until then any site of worth should ask for a px before dispensing, if they don't, then they should be avoided for good reasons.
Edited by bexVN on Saturday 14th September 11:43
Your missing the point. Why should a site based off shore be avoided if they will sell you, for example advocate at reduced cost without a prescription.
You don't need a prescription as they operate outside of the uk under their own local legislation and you are within your right to buy and possess non controlled substances from them. Sorry but this doesn't Make them inferior in any way. They are simply operating within an international market.
You don't need a prescription as they operate outside of the uk under their own local legislation and you are within your right to buy and possess non controlled substances from them. Sorry but this doesn't Make them inferior in any way. They are simply operating within an international market.
Because these sites do not follow our strict legislation to ensure you are not being sold fake or inferior (such as weaker strength than the item states) products. It's to protect both you as a purchaser and your pet.
It also ensures you are not inadvertently using a dodgy website.
Fake drugs are well documented for the human market and they have usually been purchased by people over the internet in the same way,what makes you think they wouldn't do the same to animal products?
If they are voluntarily signed up to the VMD accredited internet retailer scheme, then great but if they are not a UK site they won't be.
It's your choice obviously and I cannot reason my points anymore but please believe me when I say that my advice is always for the interest and safety of the pet and I always try to answer honestly and correctly, which I still feel I have done in this case.
It also ensures you are not inadvertently using a dodgy website.
Fake drugs are well documented for the human market and they have usually been purchased by people over the internet in the same way,what makes you think they wouldn't do the same to animal products?
If they are voluntarily signed up to the VMD accredited internet retailer scheme, then great but if they are not a UK site they won't be.
It's your choice obviously and I cannot reason my points anymore but please believe me when I say that my advice is always for the interest and safety of the pet and I always try to answer honestly and correctly, which I still feel I have done in this case.
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