Dangerous Dog Next Door!
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Autopilot said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
durbster said:
Or you could prove it by showing sheepdogs will instinctively start rounding up children. Never heard of that.
Really? That's exactly what my mates sheepdog will do, in the garden with the kids or in the park. It'll see kids running around and instinctively go into crouch mode. Of course kids think this is a hoot, as it appears to be a playful stance. They chase after the dog, which they can never catch, and the dog runs around in circles trying to herd up the kids and no doubt wondering how come they are so uncooperative.The net result is loads of fun and exercise for kids and dog alike. He's a real favourite down at the park.
I'm surprised, as a dog expert, you've never heard of this type of behaviour.
Edited To Add - My friends Australian Cattle Dog does similar. It's not from working lines but it does instinctively herd people and dogs up when it's out on walks.
Edited by Autopilot on Thursday 2nd November 09:34
Uncle John said:
There are lot's of misjudged perceptions on what is a Pit Bull.
That's just a longer of leg Staffie, dont forget Pit Bulls are much taller and 10-12 kg's heavier. Quite a difference.
You know when you see a Pit Bull. And unfortunately in the less wholesome side of our society there is an underground trade in these things. There was a documentary recently showing trade of these things on various sink estates.
Also don't forget that a staffie/lab cross as one example, will resemble a PB.
I also cringe when I see some wannabee hardman walking along with his 'hard dog' on a thick metal chain...pricks.
My wife even had some knob ask her if we would like to 'cage' our dog (we have a staffie) against theirs while out for a walk. Glad it wasn't me he asked that to.
Staffies are known as 'nanny dogs', in that they look after the children of the family, which ours certainly did when they were young.
And another point, any dog can be aggressive and cause damage.
I know of a female Golden Retriever that tore apart a smaller dog because it walked into it's garden.
Observe next time you are down the park, smaller dogs barking at other dogs/children/people that are not known to them. The standard answer from the owners is 'It's alright he's friendly' which is the biggest load of guff ever.
What they really mean is 'He isn't friendly but he's only small so we let him get away with it' but that's not the point. The dog is being aggressive to others and is still quite capable of seriously injuring a child. If a big dog was doing this on a regular basis the police would be called.
To summarise, all dogs can be aggressive and cause injury regardless of size. All dogs can be aggressive if not trained/homed/socialised properly. All too often it's not the fault of the dog.
As I said at the beginning of this thread, it sounds like the owner is not fit to own a dog, so get in touch with the council dog warden and notify them of the situation.
Totally agree with what you said above. That's just a longer of leg Staffie, dont forget Pit Bulls are much taller and 10-12 kg's heavier. Quite a difference.
You know when you see a Pit Bull. And unfortunately in the less wholesome side of our society there is an underground trade in these things. There was a documentary recently showing trade of these things on various sink estates.
Also don't forget that a staffie/lab cross as one example, will resemble a PB.
I also cringe when I see some wannabee hardman walking along with his 'hard dog' on a thick metal chain...pricks.
My wife even had some knob ask her if we would like to 'cage' our dog (we have a staffie) against theirs while out for a walk. Glad it wasn't me he asked that to.
Staffies are known as 'nanny dogs', in that they look after the children of the family, which ours certainly did when they were young.
And another point, any dog can be aggressive and cause damage.
I know of a female Golden Retriever that tore apart a smaller dog because it walked into it's garden.
Observe next time you are down the park, smaller dogs barking at other dogs/children/people that are not known to them. The standard answer from the owners is 'It's alright he's friendly' which is the biggest load of guff ever.
What they really mean is 'He isn't friendly but he's only small so we let him get away with it' but that's not the point. The dog is being aggressive to others and is still quite capable of seriously injuring a child. If a big dog was doing this on a regular basis the police would be called.
To summarise, all dogs can be aggressive and cause injury regardless of size. All dogs can be aggressive if not trained/homed/socialised properly. All too often it's not the fault of the dog.
As I said at the beginning of this thread, it sounds like the owner is not fit to own a dog, so get in touch with the council dog warden and notify them of the situation.
I was also going to mention the staffie being known as the nanny dog, it’s just peoples misconceptions about them mainly due to news stories they have read, it’s always the owner at fault and is usually some chav trying to look hard! (Presumably like the one that asked to cage yours!)
Your point about small dogs is also good, 9 out of 10 times they are worse than big dogs in terms of aggression and often start fights, they are then too small to come out on top and the bigger dog gets blamed for defending itself.
Cesar Milan from the dog whisperer show is a good example of what Pitbulls are like, his old American Pitbull ‘Daddy’ was an amazing dog and a prime example of how they can be when raised properly, he looked really mean but was a giant softie.
Also, interestingly enough his worst bite came from a golden Labrador! Considering he specifically works with helping thousands of ‘aggressive’ dogs, and often pitbull types, that should show you it isn’t always the breed that’s the problem!
Quick google of worst dog bites by breed brought this article up - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dog...
The article lists Labrador as the worst offender in the UK with other breeds commonly associated as being German Shepherds, Staffies and border collies! So Twig, better keep a close eye on your friends dog when hes rounding up all those kids in the park next time…
There isn’t much point in trying to convince Twig otherwise though, he’s just going to keep coming back with what ifs or random comparisons with wild animals.
OP - Didn't you mention you have a lab? 'What if' someone reads the article above and decides it must be dangerous too or when you have a child it mistakes it for a cat
Difficult to judge having not seen how the dog behaves, but I would guess the dogs should be re-homed to somewhere more appropriate and with owners who can satisfy their needs for exercise and space etc, they for sure shouldn’t be destroyed just because of the way they look!
My guess was the dog was fed up being stuck in the back garden and just wanted to see what’s on the other side of the fence, dogs need plenty of exercise and nobody would like being stuck within 4 walls all day every day, doesn’t mean they will kill whatever they find on the other side though.
Don’t judge a book by its cover…
TwigtheWonderkid said:
durbster said:
Or you could prove it by showing sheepdogs will instinctively start rounding up children. Never heard of that.
Really? That's exactly what my mates sheepdog will do, in the garden with the kids or in the park. It'll see kids running around and instinctively go into crouch mode. Of course kids think this is a hoot, as it appears to be a playful stance. They chase after the dog, which they can never catch, and the dog runs around in circles trying to herd up the kids and no doubt wondering how come they are so uncooperative.The net result is loads of fun and exercise for kids and dog alike. He's a real favourite down at the park.
I'm surprised, as a dog expert, you've never heard of this type of behaviour.
You didn't address any of my other points.
durbster said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
durbster said:
Or you could prove it by showing sheepdogs will instinctively start rounding up children. Never heard of that.
Really? That's exactly what my mates sheepdog will do, in the garden with the kids or in the park. It'll see kids running around and instinctively go into crouch mode. Of course kids think this is a hoot, as it appears to be a playful stance. They chase after the dog, which they can never catch, and the dog runs around in circles trying to herd up the kids and no doubt wondering how come they are so uncooperative.The net result is loads of fun and exercise for kids and dog alike. He's a real favourite down at the park.
I'm surprised, as a dog expert, you've never heard of this type of behaviour.
You didn't address any of my other points.
Also in my original post, border collies are one of the worst breeds in UK for biting according to the article I linked, no comment on that from twig of course as they look fluffy and friendly and are only 'playing' with the kids in the park...
Lazermilk said:
He likes snipping posts, see above where he ignored everything I wrote except the part about judging a book...
Also in my original post, border collies are one of the worst breeds in UK for biting according to the article I linked, no comment on that from twig of course as they look fluffy and friendly and are only 'playing' with the kids in the park...
TBF to Twiggy, Collies do like rounding up children, fairly common behaviour. Also in my original post, border collies are one of the worst breeds in UK for biting according to the article I linked, no comment on that from twig of course as they look fluffy and friendly and are only 'playing' with the kids in the park...
It is all about nature AND nurture at the end of the day. Different breeds have different tendencies that can amplified by nurture. What Twiggy is failing to understand is that the banned "breeds", especially the fighting ones have a nature to being very good with humans to to the nature of how a dog fight works. Twiggy, if you are interesting in learning about this then this is a good starter on why this is so http://www.shawpitbullrescue.com/fighting-bsl-and-... I hope you do read it.
durbster said:
HappyMidget said:
TBF to Twiggy, Collies do like rounding up children, fairly common behaviour.
Is that because they think they're sheep or because they just love rounding things up? Now that I think about it, I'm sure I've seen a sheepdog try to ruond up geese.HappyMidget said:
TBF to Twiggy, Collies do like rounding up children, fairly common behaviour.
It is all about nature AND nurture at the end of the day. Different breeds have different tendencies that can amplified by nurture. What Twiggy is failing to understand is that the banned "breeds", especially the fighting ones have a nature to being very good with humans to to the nature of how a dog fight works. Twiggy, if you are interesting in learning about this then this is a good starter on why this is so http://www.shawpitbullrescue.com/fighting-bsl-and-... I hope you do read it.
Sure, I wasn't disagreeing with him there, just trying to point out that all dogs can potentially be dangerous when not trained/raised properly, unfortunately the staffy/bully type breeds are more often owned by people who may even encourage them to be aggressive to try and make themselves look hard... It is all about nature AND nurture at the end of the day. Different breeds have different tendencies that can amplified by nurture. What Twiggy is failing to understand is that the banned "breeds", especially the fighting ones have a nature to being very good with humans to to the nature of how a dog fight works. Twiggy, if you are interesting in learning about this then this is a good starter on why this is so http://www.shawpitbullrescue.com/fighting-bsl-and-... I hope you do read it.
The ones I have known have been really nice dogs.
Lazermilk said:
Sure, I wasn't disagreeing with him there, just trying to point out that all dogs can potentially be dangerous when not trained/raised properly, unfortunately the staffy/bully type breeds are more often owned by people who may even encourage them to be aggressive to try and make themselves look hard... .
And the reason that so many end up in rescues is that they are generally crap at it..Lazermilk said:
The ones I have known have been really nice dogs.
Twiggy is welcome to meet mine if he wants to see what a well socialised Staffy actually is like. Regularly get comments on how he is such a calm and well mannered dog by other dog owners. When we used to take him to puppy hour at the pet shop to help socialise him, the staff frequently used to introduce new, nervous dogs to Byron first as they new that he was incredibly good with other dogs and unlikely to scare them.
if you Google dogs that would not be covered by pet insurance in the uk and go to images that makes for some very interesting/scary reading ref size and breed traits. we get asked every now and then to quote on a cane corso, pictures are terrifying!!
just aside, not always the small dogs that start it, our Chihuahua just about came through an attack whilst out walking with him on the lead, neighbours dog had got out, they had left him in the garden for hours, so not blaming the dog they rehomed from some scuzzy mate, course they were not insured, horrific to see, £5K specialist bill later, thank god they put him back together, but understandably he does not want dogs off lead coming over to him, our vet always advised if a dogs on a lead its for a reason.
op defo get the authorities involved as we struggled to get a smaller dog off ours no matter how much force, if the owner cant get the dog to come in the house, she has no chance of pulling that thing off some ones face or arm, I would keep something heavy to hand
good luck
just aside, not always the small dogs that start it, our Chihuahua just about came through an attack whilst out walking with him on the lead, neighbours dog had got out, they had left him in the garden for hours, so not blaming the dog they rehomed from some scuzzy mate, course they were not insured, horrific to see, £5K specialist bill later, thank god they put him back together, but understandably he does not want dogs off lead coming over to him, our vet always advised if a dogs on a lead its for a reason.
op defo get the authorities involved as we struggled to get a smaller dog off ours no matter how much force, if the owner cant get the dog to come in the house, she has no chance of pulling that thing off some ones face or arm, I would keep something heavy to hand
good luck
HappyMidget said:
Lazermilk said:
Sure, I wasn't disagreeing with him there, just trying to point out that all dogs can potentially be dangerous when not trained/raised properly, unfortunately the staffy/bully type breeds are more often owned by people who may even encourage them to be aggressive to try and make themselves look hard... .
And the reason that so many end up in rescues is that they are generally crap at it..Lazermilk said:
The ones I have known have been really nice dogs.
Twiggy is welcome to meet mine if he wants to see what a well socialised Staffy actually is like. Regularly get comments on how he is such a calm and well mannered dog by other dog owners. When we used to take him to puppy hour at the pet shop to help socialise him, the staff frequently used to introduce new, nervous dogs to Byron first as they new that he was incredibly good with other dogs and unlikely to scare them.
Byron sounds nice, get some photos into the Post photos of your dog thread if you havent already
HappyMidget said:
Lazermilk said:
Sure, I wasn't disagreeing with him there, just trying to point out that all dogs can potentially be dangerous when not trained/raised properly, unfortunately the staffy/bully type breeds are more often owned by people who may even encourage them to be aggressive to try and make themselves look hard... .
And the reason that so many end up in rescues is that they are generally crap at it..Lazermilk said:
The ones I have known have been really nice dogs.
Twiggy is welcome to meet mine if he wants to see what a well socialised Staffy actually is like. Regularly get comments on how he is such a calm and well mannered dog by other dog owners. When we used to take him to puppy hour at the pet shop to help socialise him, the staff frequently used to introduce new, nervous dogs to Byron first as they new that he was incredibly good with other dogs and unlikely to scare them.The issue here is that we have someone who has at least one 'Pitbull type' dog who isn't able to control it or keep it in a secure environment. This isn't the dog's fault, it's the owners, but unfortunately it will be the dog that pays the price. I really don't want to be the one responsible for the dog being destroyed but at the same time she isn't keeping her side of the agreement with the court as stated on the certificate of exemption. The way I feel at the moment it's just too much of a risk.
Marky Mark88 said:
Agreed, the sister-in-law has a Staffy and he is a lovely dog and is great with their 2 kids. Unfortunately they do have a bad reputation because of certain people using them as status dogs etc. but I certainly have nothing against the breed at all.
The issue here is that we have someone who has at least one 'Pitbull type' dog who isn't able to control it or keep it in a secure environment. This isn't the dog's fault, it's the owners, but unfortunately it will be the dog that pays the price. I really don't want to be the one responsible for the dog being destroyed but at the same time she isn't keeping her side of the agreement with the court as stated on the certificate of exemption. The way I feel at the moment it's just too much of a risk.
Please, if at all possible, contact the DDA Watch first as then there maybe something they can do that does not result in the destruction of your neighbours pet. https://www.facebook.com/DDAWatch/The issue here is that we have someone who has at least one 'Pitbull type' dog who isn't able to control it or keep it in a secure environment. This isn't the dog's fault, it's the owners, but unfortunately it will be the dog that pays the price. I really don't want to be the one responsible for the dog being destroyed but at the same time she isn't keeping her side of the agreement with the court as stated on the certificate of exemption. The way I feel at the moment it's just too much of a risk.
Mexican cuties said:
if you Google dogs that would not be covered by pet insurance in the uk and go to images that makes for some very interesting/scary reading ref size and breed traits. we get asked every now and then to quote on a cane corso, pictures are terrifying!!
What do you mean, they are well cute!
oh.....hang on.......
That there is the devils own hound. Jesus!
WRT to staffies, there is one near us called Jack and he his the friendliest little fella you could ever meet. You can could froth the milk for your cappuccinos with his tail wagging action.
HappyMidget said:
Boosted LS1 said:
^ That looks like an interesting read. I doubt I'll agree with all of it but it's still informative.
Ignore the bit about bait dogs not happening, it does, but only where the trainer does not know how to properly train a fighting dog.
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