Dangerous Dog Next Door!
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Colonial said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I have a book called Swedish Lesbian Nurses Go Wild. The cover is a very accurate indication of the contents therein.
This is the only accurate thing you have posted in this thread. techiedave said:
HappyMidget said:
e made no useful posts in actual fact, just incoherent u informed ramblings.
Your opinion which your welcome too. Some may think otherwise. But hey ho its often how this place goes nowadayTwigtheWonderkid said:
Gaz. said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Gaz. said:
durbster said:
You didn't address any of my other points.
Let me do you a favour- Twig thinks dogs can't tell the difference between people and cats- are you really going to waste your time discussing anything against such an idiotic mindset?I would also ask if people think that in every case of a dog attacking a child, that dog had a bad owner? I'm sure most did, but do you not think it's a possibility that the owner was fine, and something else drove the dog to attack. Inbred instinct having come from a line of dogs selectively bred for aggression perhaps?
king stupid.
Still not commented on the fact your friends sheepdog is one of the worst for biting in UK according to that article, with a Labrador being the worst!
I think your just being a troll and we should stop feeding you...
Pesty said:
I understand but as you've already said she doesn't sound too stable and probably isn't able financially or otherwise
Sometimes you've just got to bite the bullet. Fence panels are not that expensive and make your property look better anyhow.
Just seems an easier route then getting all official. Taking a way a loved pet from an unstable old lady won't do her much good or the dog.
Help a lady out .
Totally agree and would be the first option I would look at, you know the fence will be safe if you do it yourself so have peace of mind and then you benefit from a nice new fence to make the garden look better. Not really losing out much for the gain you would get.Sometimes you've just got to bite the bullet. Fence panels are not that expensive and make your property look better anyhow.
Just seems an easier route then getting all official. Taking a way a loved pet from an unstable old lady won't do her much good or the dog.
Help a lady out .
Lazermilk said:
Pesty said:
I understand but as you've already said she doesn't sound too stable and probably isn't able financially or otherwise
Sometimes you've just got to bite the bullet. Fence panels are not that expensive and make your property look better anyhow.
Just seems an easier route then getting all official. Taking a way a loved pet from an unstable old lady won't do her much good or the dog.
Help a lady out .
Totally agree and would be the first option I would look at, you know the fence will be safe if you do it yourself so have peace of mind and then you benefit from a nice new fence to make the garden look better. Not really losing out much for the gain you would get.Sometimes you've just got to bite the bullet. Fence panels are not that expensive and make your property look better anyhow.
Just seems an easier route then getting all official. Taking a way a loved pet from an unstable old lady won't do her much good or the dog.
Help a lady out .
It's jumping a fence now, what if it gets out and bites a child?
Extreme example but from what the OP has said she clearly can't control the dog.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Pesty said:
No evidence of any humans being hurt
Apart from what the OP said in his first post, that the owner had admitted that the dogs have turned on her in the past? But hey, the owner herself saying she's been bitten by her own dogs, I guess that's just circumstantial! No, the reason it attacked her is because it's a Staffy / Pit type dog and known to be aggressive and attack kids because it thought it was a cat. I think the picture is becoming clear that maybe the owner isn't the best owner for the dog so it could just be handler error.
When she tried to previously retrieve her dog after it had buggered off, I wonder how she tried to get it back. I doubt she just called it over, it obliged and then attacked her. If you treat or train a dog with aggression then expect it to think aggression is the answer.
Edited by Autopilot on Friday 3rd November 10:05
Autopilot said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Pesty said:
No evidence of any humans being hurt
Apart from what the OP said in his first post, that the owner had admitted that the dogs have turned on her in the past? But hey, the owner herself saying she's been bitten by her own dogs, I guess that's just circumstantial! No, the reason it attacked her is because it's a Staffy / Pit type dog and known to be aggressive and attack kids because it thought it was a cat. I think the picture is becoming clear that maybe the owner isn't the best owner for the dog so it could just be handler error.
When she tried to previously retrieve her dog after it had buggered off, I wonder how she tried to get it back. I doubt she just called it over, it obliged and then attacked her. If you treat or train a dog with aggression then expect it to think aggression is the answer.
Edited by Autopilot on Friday 3rd November 10:05
The owner has admitted her dogs have attacked her. That, for 99.9% of people with an IQ into double figures, is evidence that people have been hurt. Not barked at. No one who gets barked at says "I've been attacked by a dog." She's been bitten.
Now if could well be that the owner is a bad owner and provoked the attack. That we don't know. But we do know people have been hurt. To say there's no evidence of that is just a lie.
I still think securing your own property is the only real answer if you don't want to get the authorities involved.
I grew up on a farm on the edge of town and we would occasionally have unaccompanied dogs on our land which was always a worry with livestock around. My dad was always of the opinion that it was much easier to find the owner and explain the seriousness of not controlling their dog and to then figure out how the dog was getting in and do our best to prevent it.
On a number of occasions we could probably have taken the ultimate sanction of shooting the offending animal, but it wasn't worth the hassle in terms of relationship with our neighbours and all the legal complications of destroying someone else's property (especially with a firearm). And so we would try and protect our livestock and make sure that our neighbours were aware that they had a responsibility to control their dogs.
In fairness the worst offenders for running sheep were Labradors. We never had any livestock grabbed or injured but if there was ever going to be a dog running sheep 9 times out of 10 it would be some daft chocolate lab lolloping around the field.
I grew up on a farm on the edge of town and we would occasionally have unaccompanied dogs on our land which was always a worry with livestock around. My dad was always of the opinion that it was much easier to find the owner and explain the seriousness of not controlling their dog and to then figure out how the dog was getting in and do our best to prevent it.
On a number of occasions we could probably have taken the ultimate sanction of shooting the offending animal, but it wasn't worth the hassle in terms of relationship with our neighbours and all the legal complications of destroying someone else's property (especially with a firearm). And so we would try and protect our livestock and make sure that our neighbours were aware that they had a responsibility to control their dogs.
In fairness the worst offenders for running sheep were Labradors. We never had any livestock grabbed or injured but if there was ever going to be a dog running sheep 9 times out of 10 it would be some daft chocolate lab lolloping around the field.
I've never understood the popularity of labs in the UK. For the first 18 months they are a nightmare, and chew everything, and once they've matured a bit, they've never struck me as being very bright at all.
Of all the dogs I know, my favourites are all small to medium sized Bitzers. (bitzer this and bitzer that). You can't beat a mongrel.
A good friend has a greyhound. Beautiful thing, but stupid beyond belief. Your average goldfish has a bigger brain.
Of all the dogs I know, my favourites are all small to medium sized Bitzers. (bitzer this and bitzer that). You can't beat a mongrel.
A good friend has a greyhound. Beautiful thing, but stupid beyond belief. Your average goldfish has a bigger brain.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
My god, the lengths you lot will go to, to absolve the dog from any wrongdoing. It's utterly depressing. And not doing dogs in general any favours.
The owner has admitted her dogs have attacked her. That, for 99.9% of people with an IQ into double figures, is evidence that people have been hurt. Not barked at. No one who gets barked at says "I've been attacked by a dog." She's been bitten.
Now if could well be that the owner is a bad owner and provoked the attack. That we don't know. But we do know people have been hurt. To say there's no evidence of that is just a lie.
I don't think anyone is absolving the dog from anything but people are trying to deal with facts and not getting hysterical. The owner has admitted her dogs have attacked her. That, for 99.9% of people with an IQ into double figures, is evidence that people have been hurt. Not barked at. No one who gets barked at says "I've been attacked by a dog." She's been bitten.
Now if could well be that the owner is a bad owner and provoked the attack. That we don't know. But we do know people have been hurt. To say there's no evidence of that is just a lie.
You clearly state "She's been bitten" but I have read the OP's first post and he doesn't say that. The OP doesn't state which dog actually attached the owner, you however, appear to know more facts than the owner!
From reading the OP's posts it appears the problem is due the owner. You appear to have an irrational dislike of certain breeds of dogs and I don't blame or criticise you for that but lets deal with the facts here.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I've never understood the popularity of labs in the UK. For the first 18 months they are a nightmare, and chew everything, and once they've matured a bit, they've never struck me as being very bright at all.
Of all the dogs I know, my favourites are all small to medium sized Bitzers. (bitzer this and bitzer that). You can't beat a mongrel.
A good friend has a greyhound. Beautiful thing, but stupid beyond belief. Your average goldfish has a bigger brain.
Yep, those working labradors are as thick a mince.........Of all the dogs I know, my favourites are all small to medium sized Bitzers. (bitzer this and bitzer that). You can't beat a mongrel.
A good friend has a greyhound. Beautiful thing, but stupid beyond belief. Your average goldfish has a bigger brain.
Piha said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I've never understood the popularity of labs in the UK. For the first 18 months they are a nightmare, and chew everything, and once they've matured a bit, they've never struck me as being very bright at all.
Of all the dogs I know, my favourites are all small to medium sized Bitzers. (bitzer this and bitzer that). You can't beat a mongrel.
A good friend has a greyhound. Beautiful thing, but stupid beyond belief. Your average goldfish has a bigger brain.
Yep, those working labradors are as thick a mince.........Of all the dogs I know, my favourites are all small to medium sized Bitzers. (bitzer this and bitzer that). You can't beat a mongrel.
A good friend has a greyhound. Beautiful thing, but stupid beyond belief. Your average goldfish has a bigger brain.
well played, you beat me to it!TwigtheWonderkid said:
The owner has admitted her dogs have attacked her. That, for 99.9% of people with an IQ into double figures, is evidence that people have been hurt. Not barked at. No one who gets barked at says "I've been attacked by a dog." She's been bitten.
Now if could well be that the owner is a bad owner and provoked the attack. That we don't know. But we do know people have been hurt. To say there's no evidence of that is just a lie.
My other job I do is that I wear a sleeve and get 'attacked' by sport dogs (Schutzhund) and trained security dogs. I'm not a professional by any means but am fairly clued up when it comes to working with dogs and have on occasion assisted a professional with assessments of dogs that have been confiscated by the Police / Courts. I have of course undergone training by those that are Pro's. From my limited experience but within a professional environment, it's easy to see where a lot of the problems stem from and it's usually the wrong owner for the dog. Yes of course some dogs look scarier and due to their size and power, can inflict a lot of damage and yes, some people do get these dogs to intimidate people with.Now if could well be that the owner is a bad owner and provoked the attack. That we don't know. But we do know people have been hurt. To say there's no evidence of that is just a lie.
I have been on a dog walk before and a walker had completely unprovoked....my fault, as I normally bring the dog in close if people are around as I don't want him pestering people....didn't have my eye on the ball and he was in close proximity of the walker but not acknowledging him in any way, he was literally going to walk around him on a fairly narrow path. The walker then started shouting at my dog and swinging his walking pole about. My dog is an IPO1 dog so started barking and snarling at the man. I called him in to heel which he did immediately.
The man stated my dog attacked him. My dog didn't attack him in any way. This idiot provoked the dog, the dog responded. The dog was under complete control and did as I told him. The man still maintained my dogs reaction to him being a dick was 'an attack'.
In sport, the dog HAS to bark a minimum of 25 times at the man hiding in the blinds when he finds him to alert the handler of his presence. The training also requires the dog to bark as loudly and aggressively as possible, none of those quiet 'gruff gruff' noises. Despite the man attacking my dog, the walker insisted my dogs reaction to him was him being attacked. My dog did not bite the man. my dog did not even engage with the man until he started shouting at him.
So in response to your response, yes, "I've been attacked by a dog" has and can mean that teeth weren't involved!
Autopilot said:
PS - Forgot to add the reason my dog was attacked. He's a large male Dobermann and idiots misconception of the breed (mainly caused by 1980's media!) cause people to be scared.
Love dobermann and agree about the misconceptions, I grew up with them in the family, very smart and friendly dogs.Autopilot said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Pesty said:
No evidence of any humans being hurt
Apart from what the OP said in his first post, that the owner had admitted that the dogs have turned on her in the past? But hey, the owner herself saying she's been bitten by her own dogs, I guess that's just circumstantial! No, the reason it attacked her is because it's a Staffy / Pit type dog and known to be aggressive and attack kids because it thought it was a cat. I think the picture is becoming clear that maybe the owner isn't the best owner for the dog so it could just be handler error.
When she tried to previously retrieve her dog after it had buggered off, I wonder how she tried to get it back. I doubt she just called it over, it obliged and then attacked her. If you treat or train a dog with aggression then expect it to think aggression is the answer.
Edited by Autopilot on Friday 3rd November 10:05
Did both dogs attack if so why was only one taken away, if she is in secure housing why are all dogs not removed.
Build a fence remove bench
Or have a dog put to sleep and an owner traumatised
Up to you op. I get the impression you are buying into some media based fear based on one dog getting in your yard triggering those fears. Perfectly undersndable to be worried but an easily solved issue. Have you got a picture of the fence.
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